GOP freshman: Where's my health care?

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FuzzyBee

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Health Insurance Exchanges:
  • The uninsured and self-employed would be able to purchase insurance through state-based exchanges with subsidies available to individuals and families with income between the 133 percent and 400 percent of poverty level.
  • Separate exchanges would be created for small businesses to purchase coverage -- effective 2014.
  • Funding available to states to establish exchanges within one year of enactment and until January 1, 2015.
We, Feds, have a list of insurance programs we can choose from. One of the things the Health Care bill was setup exchanges like what we, Feds, have.

Pretty sure members of Congress get a few more benefits than that.
 
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I don't get it.

He has a job. A benefit of that job is health care. Tens of millions of jobs around the country have the same benefit.

What exactly is the big deal?

The part where he is in government getting a healthcare plan paid for by the government all the while saying how bad government healthcare involvement is bad. Didnt realize this was so hard to understand.
 

Pulsar

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OP, did you have a point with this, or just posting a link?

Seems pretty reasonable to me: you start a job it shouldn't take a month for your coverage to begin. It's not that he wants socialized / government health care, it's that he wants coverage that's part of his benefits package and is surprised that it takes a month to kick in. Issue not found.

1. Many jobs take a month, and in some cases even 3 months for health care to kick in. In non-public sector corporations, it's called a probationary period. So while Mister-I'm-a-rich-medical-professional-who's-on-easy-street may not not have seen it before, it's pretty common. I know for a fact that all 3 of the big three have had that system within at least the last 6 years. Anyone can buy COBRA, and this fellow should have known that had he ever had a day in his life where everything wasn't handed to him...

2. This is completely un-related to government health care, and people trying to turn it into such are simply displaying their partisian hackery for all to see, whether they be R or D. As I said, it's very common for a probationary period for new-hires. This individual would have made the same complaint if the job had been private sector, public sector etc. Nothing to do with Obama care, and the aide quoted in the article relating it to public health care is simply being an idiot.

I agree Double Trouble - Issue not found. This is the government policy. He didn't like having to wait a month. Welcome to real life, go buy Cobra. All these other posts just seem to be white noise and people who want to bitch.
 

RightIsWrong

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Those countries are going bankrupt without me doing anything. Your fantastic single-payer system is a big part of the reason. Sorry to piss in your Cheerios, but reality sucks.

The fact off the matter is that it is those nations' banking and finance sectors that are driving them towards bankruptcy, not their health care implementation.

You should try reality some time, you might like it.
 

Phokus

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Your problem is that you haven't anything to rub. Regale us with your expert knowledge about the relevant differences between nations including demographics. This should be good.

This coming from the guy who thinks waiting one month for health insurance is some sort of 'government inefficiency'? REALLY? What do you call the waiting periods for private companies, "free market innovation?"

You aren't qualified to talk about healthcare.


Those countries are going bankrupt without me doing anything. Your fantastic single-payer system is a big part of the reason. Sorry to piss in your Cheerios, but reality sucks.

Here's a thought experiment:

There's a certain product called a 'widget' that's necessary for life. It's quite expensive and will cut into your savings big time.

Someone offers you widget A for $3000

Another person offers you widge B for $6000

What you're arguing for is that the person to buy widget B "just because"

This is how conservatives "think"
 

FuzzyBee

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This coming from the guy who thinks waiting one month for health insurance is some sort of 'government inefficiency'? REALLY? What do you call the waiting periods for private companies, "free market innovation?"

You aren't qualified to talk about healthcare.




Here's a thought experiment:

There's a certain product called a 'widget' that's necessary for life. It's quite expensive and will cut into your savings big time.

Someone offers you widget A for $3000

Another person offers you widge B for $6000

What you're arguing for is that the person to buy widget B "just because"

This is how conservatives "think"

How long has health insurance been "necessary for life"?

Shitty analogy, but that doesn't really surprise me.
 

senseamp

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No I didn't miss that part. The guy is asking why it takes a month (which indeed seems crazy), the answer is that it's mandated by law. There are plenty of stupid laws, this may or may not be one of them, but the question is perfectly reasonable. Issue not found.

Is he for mandating that all employers provide employees with health care on date they are hired? Or he just wants his?
 

CycloWizard

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The fact off the matter is that it is those nations' banking and finance sectors that are driving them towards bankruptcy, not their health care implementation.

You should try reality some time, you might like it.
Right. The UK's NHS has nothing to do with their economic problems. Germany's moving away from a similar system has nothing to do with their success. That's reality? I'll have what you're having.
 

CycloWizard

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Here's a thought experiment:

There's a certain product called a 'widget' that's necessary for life. It's quite expensive and will cut into your savings big time.

Someone offers you widget A for $3000

Another person offers you widge B for $6000

What you're arguing for is that the person to buy widget B "just because"

This is how conservatives "think"
That's a poorly executed false analogy, not a thought experiment.
 

Phokus

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How long has health insurance been "necessary for life"?

Shitty analogy, but that doesn't really surprise me.

Try paying for chemo out of pocket. Whatever, the point is, conservatives are fucking idiots and are actually arguing that it's 'smarter' to pay more money for less product, while at the same time bitching about the financial solvency of those same countries.
 

werepossum

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Once you kids grow up and get a job you'll find out waiting for insurance or other benefits to kick in is the norm. http://health.howstuffworks.com/medicine/healthcare/insurance/benefit-waiting-period.htm Good point, as the implication seems to be that the government will legislate waiting periods for the private sector for some reason.
Sec. 2301. Insurance Reforms. Extends the prohibition of lifetime limits, prohibition on rescissions, and a requirement to provide coverage for non-dependent children up to age 26 to all existing health insurance plans starting six months after enactment. Starting in 2014, extends the prohibition on excessive waiting periods to existing health plans. For group health plans, prohibits pre-existing condition exclusions in 2014 (for children, they are prohibited starting six months after enactment), restricts annual limits beginning six months after enactment, and prohibits them starting in 2014. For coverage of non-dependent children prior to 2014, the requirement on group health plans is limited to those adult children without an employer offer of coverage.[/quiote]

Weird. I've worked for three engineering & manufacturing companies, from less than twenty to around three hundred employees, and never waited one day for health insurance beyond a probationary period (where I legally worked for a hiring agency, not my employer) at one company.
 

Phokus

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That's a poorly executed false analogy, not a thought experiment.

No, it's exactly what you're arguing, unless you're arguing that those same countries go without healthcare at all.

However 'bad' you think those single payer systems are, American style healthcare would bankrupt those same countries that much faster.
 

Pens1566

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Right. The UK's NHS has nothing to do with their economic problems. Germany's moving away from a similar system has nothing to do with their success. That's reality? I'll have what you're having.

Thats 2 so far. You said "every". Lots of work/linking left to do. Get back to us when you have the results ready. We'll wait.
 

Katsly

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Weird. I've worked for three engineering & manufacturing companies, from less than twenty to around three hundred employees, and never waited one day for health insurance beyond a probationary period (where I legally worked for a hiring agency, not my employer) at one company.

Great, but that's not most people's experience.
According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute (EBRI), the average wait for new employees to become eligible for employer-sponsored health coverage is from 30 days to six months for small firms, and 90 days for most larger firms.
 

Throckmorton

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Working for the government and having healthcare provided by them because they are your employer is not the same as government provided healthcare. FAIL

If the government is providing it, it's government provided.

Of course he's free to buy his own health insurance on the free market.
 

JD50

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The part where he is in government getting a healthcare plan paid for by the government all the while saying how bad government healthcare involvement is bad. Didnt realize this was so hard to understand.

Again, you're completely confusing the issue. Getting a health care plan paid for by the government because they are your employer has nothing to do with opposing government healthcare involvement.
 

JD50

Lifer
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If the government is providing it, it's government provided.

Of course he's free to buy his own health insurance on the free market.

Are you telling me that you don't understand the difference between the government paying for a health insurance plan like most employers do and government run/mandated healthcare to the general public? Really?
 

senseamp

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Again, you're completely confusing the issue. Getting a health care plan paid for by the government because they are your employer has nothing to do with opposing government healthcare involvement.

He is opposing Obamacare mandate that employers provide health care too. So he wants his employer mandated to provide health care on day one, while millions of people go without any employer provided health care at all.
 

Throckmorton

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Are you telling me that you don't understand the difference between the government paying for a health insurance plan like most employers do and government run/mandated healthcare to the general public? Really?

You just said it wasn't government provided and I was replying to that.

But my point is that the free market is that way -->
 

JD50

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Once you kids grow up and get a job you'll find out waiting for insurance or other benefits to kick in is the norm. http://health.howstuffworks.com/medicine/healthcare/insurance/benefit-waiting-period.htm

I've never had to wait a day for my health insurance to kick in, I'm 28 and I've been working professionally since I was 21. I've never even interviewed with a company that has had a waiting period. Maybe there's a difference when you have some highly desirable skills and companies are competing for you. So I guess my advice to you would be to get out of fast food and maybe you'll get some better health insurance options.
 

JD50

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You just said it wasn't government provided and I was replying to that.

But my point is that the free market is that way -->

You didn't answer my question. Do you understand the difference between getting healthcare provided by the government when they are you employer and getting healthcare provided/mandated by the government when you work for a private company?

It is not hypocritical to be against government run/mandated healthcare simply because you work for the governemnt and receive healthcare as part of your benefits package. That's absurd, but it's what many here are saying.
 

Throckmorton

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One thing this highlights is how fucking stupid it is to have health insurance tied to your job. What do the two have to do with each other?? Do you get car insurance from your employer? Homeowner insurance? Boat insurance?
 

JD50

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He is opposing Obamacare mandate that employers provide health care too. So he wants his employer mandated to provide health care on day one, while millions of people go without any employer provided health care at all.

I never expected you to understand it that's why I didn't direct any of my posts to you. You're one of the crazies I was talking about.