GOP files court action! - Apparently Contrary to Texas Law Bush Signed !!

[KaBudokan]

As Shux said, there is one person counting, and a Republican and Democratic represntative supervising EVERY person counting ballots. I think those of you saying that there will be "cheating" or favoring Gore are not paying attention.

I do feel, however, that it SHOULD be a statewide hand count if that is the route they are going to take. To only do the recount in the Democratic favored counties is not fair. THAT is what Bush should be arguing, NOT against a hand recount.

 

[Shuxclams]

Bush would be a fool not to ask for a hand count if he thinks he could squeak more votes out of there. As I pointed out, the director in tallahasse suggests that all counties that used a punch ballot re-count by hand.


SHUX

 

[wiin]

ride525,
I am so happy that Bush is finally taking action. Gore said that he would abide by the result of the recount but after the recount he wanted another recount. How many more recounts does he need? Until the result
turns his way of course. Shame on Gore.

 

[Capn]

If they are going to recount by hand it should be the whole state. Simple math tells you that if even 1% of ballots are not counted, and a hand count includes that 1% and only democratic favored counties are counted by hand the dems will be helped out considerably in such a tight race.

 

[ride525]

Wiin,

I haven't heard Gore say that.....

I think the issue here is to make absolutely sure that all the votes get counted accurately......there should be no less when so much is at stake...

And while you say the butterfly ballot may not be confusing to you...and I say it may not be confusing to me...neither of us were in the voting booth with the ballots and punch machines, trying to decide where the holes line up.

The fact is, it was confusing to a LOT of folks......It was so cofusing that a memo was written in mid day ......

In a Confused Palm Beach County, Complaints Came Early and Often

 

[wiin]

ride525,
If manual count was perfect, machine count wouldn't have replaced it. There were people at the election centre to help anybody having problems.
Also, Palm Beasch wasn't the only one in Florida using the butterfly ballot. I've seen the butterfly ballot and it is not confusing at all. There is an arrow that tells you where to punch in your vote. If you can't read, well, that's not the republicans problem. In their attempt to steal the presidency from George bush, the gore team would do anything, even claiming confusion.

 

[wiin]

Harvey said,
"Consider that, as distracting and time consuming as it may be, the Gore camp's basic request is to assure the accuracy of the vote count, while Bush's basic premise is to short circuit the possiblity that they would lose if that happens."

Harvey,
Gore's request was to assure that the election result would
go his way. He asked for a recount and the recount was done. He
lost. And he asked for another recount. Need I say more?

 

[ride525]

A machine count was done...there were a lot of differences from the first count....why?

Let's find out....and get this thing RIGHT....

 

[Shuxclams]

wiin,


<< He asked for a recount and the recount was done. He
lost. And he asked for another recount. Need I say more? >>

You are wrong, the re-count was mandatory because of the margin, nobody asked for a re-count, the law was already in place. Secondly, the law also states that canidates can request a hand count statewide or per a county. It is then up to the indevidual counties to decide whether there was enough of a reason to grant a hand count, Gore is well within the law asking for a recount and so far 3 out of the 4 counties have agreed that there is enough irregularities to grant the hand count. The election is not over until the 17th, so any rush to claim victory by either side before then is wrong since all the votes and actions of the election have not finished. I suggest you follow the procedings more closly so you don't make such an ass of yourself.




SHUX

 

[Tripleshot]

WTF is Bush trying to do with this law suit in federal court? Does Bush want the Federal government to overturn Florida law? The exact same law HE inacted in Texas?

Didn't he campaign for 6 months to get the Feds out of state bussiness?

Did he not say time and again, I trust the people, Gore trusts big government!?

HYPOCRIT THATS WHAT HE IS !!!!:disgust:

Will any of you Bush supporters care to comment on this revelation,that Bush is as slimey an asshole as what you claim Gore to be?

Best not answer that. You have NO Defense of this postion he has taken.

NONE!!!

 

[Shuxclams]

3shot,
Simmer down. You aren't helping your cause by &quot;shouting&quot; at them.


SHUX

 

[Tripleshot]

Shux
You have been reading the vermin posted in here from the right wing for months. Every Democrat was labeled as anything from a communist to a liberal ,no brain ,loafing welfare queen,and now, when the shoe is on the other foot,you don't here a peep from them.
All liberals had to endure that ridicule from here,Its time they stand up and have their voice heard.

Surely you don't want to stifle our voice. Thats communism!

 

[Shuxclams]

3shot,
I have been called a pinko, commie, liberal whatever becuase I don't &quot;BAAAAA&quot; like they do, I also don't subscribe to alot of things that you support, but that isn't important, I was suggesting that you keep your cool, be a bigger man/woman than the right wing wackos on this board that don't know how to defend the issue they stand behind so they shout and call names. Take a deep breath and talk slowly is all I am saying, maybe one of these idiots will hear you.


SHUX

 

[chess9]

Capn and Others:

A full state manual recount will NOT help Bush. Here's why: the ballots that aren't fully punched belong predominately to women. They voted overwhelmingly for Gore. Also, other kinds of mistakes tended to be made more by women and minorities, e.g. double punching and voting for Buchanan. That's yet another reason why the Circuit Court for Palm Beach County, with a woman judge sitting, is going to order a re-vote. I feel very confident the vote was poorly run and will not withstand the scrutiny of a court or the lawyers. And that's why the Bush campaign is fighting this tooth and nail, but that's also one of the reasons they will go down in a ball of flames.

 

[Tripleshot]

Shux..OK I'll wisper.

Nov. 11 ? George W. Bush dramatically escalated the battle for the White House on Saturday, suing to stop manual recounts of the votes in four Florida counties a day after his campaign had implored Al Gore to keep the presidential election out of judges? hands.

Quite enough?

 

[jacobnero6918]

I believe the DUI report 4 days before this election is what screwed Bush out of what would have been a decisive victory.

 

[Harvey]

Tripleshot -- <<Surely you don't want to stifle our voice. Thats communism!>>

No. Communism (with a lower case &quot;c,&quot; except that it's at the beginning of a sentence) is a political system where everything belongs to, and everyone works for the state. I think what you mean is totalitarianism, or perhaps, just repression.

Your meaning is clear, but your nomenclature is off.

 

[Anyone2u]

Actually I've had eight years to learn and discover what a slimey an asshole Gore is and have only been following Bush for about a year. I guess I would have to politely say no, I don't believe that Bush is as slimey an asshole as Gore.

By the way, I assume that if Gore were to win on the third recount, that you (as well as everyone else that is supporting a recount) would fully support Bush to have a fourth recount, correct? The consensus seems to be there's safety in numbers...

 

[ride525]

There is an interesting thread about a Texas law Bush signed showing preference for MANUAL recounts...



This gets more and more amazing.....if true it is truly AMAZING that Republicans would file injunction to try to stop manual recount in Florida.... Bush Signed TX Law Stating Manual Recount Takes Precedence

 

[Tripleshot]

Anyone2u

Just to bring you up to speed,I watched the vote to have this manual recount on TV as it happened,and representitives of both parties where there to petition or challenge the voter administrators. When the action to allow the 4 counties to be recounted came up,the chair person asked the republican delegation if they apposed and they did not.The council then voted and it was passed to allow the manual recount in the 4 counties that were identified as having the most glaring annomilies. Reps could have disputed at that time,but they agreed.

The next item that came up was republicans request for a re count of the entire state. I recall it too was voted on and agreed to by the Dems.

Now, as the process is being performed,Bush files suit in federal court to squash the recount.

I don't care if they re vote or manually re count the entire state! I believe the will of the PEOPLE should prevail. apperently Bush doesn't trust the PEOPLE!

BTW,Bush is the only party to file suit to block the results of the election,Gore has not. The people in Florida have filed suits because of the iregularities in the voting in thier pricincts. That issue was brought by disinfranchised citizens,not a political party.

Remember the count on Tuesday had Bush up by 1784 votes? Now it's down to 327? You don't think that is important enough to warrent a manual re count to verify the will of the people? The Bush people sure don't support a re count now ,do they?

 

[Anyone2u]

<< BTW,Bush is the only party to file suit to block the results of the election,Gore has not. The people in Florida have filed suits because of the iregularities in the voting in thier pricincts. That issue was brought by disinfranchised citizens,not a political party. >>



Tripleshot (thanks for not screaming this time-do you know hard it was to wipe the spit from the inside of my monitor after reading your post ) , I'm afraid you have been dupped by that slimey an asshole Gore, again. Disinfranchised citizens = A political party. You know it and I know it.

 

[Russ]

Does anyone else find it interesting that the &quot;media estimates&quot; had President-Elect Bush up by 327 votes, but when the REAL numbers come out, the spread is nearly three times higher, at 961 votes.

The bottom line is that these ballots have already been counted FOUR times per ballot. The process is complete. There is NO legitimate reason to hand count anything.

It's over. The Bore Beggar's should just take the whuppin' like a man and move on.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Shuxclams]

Lets get this strait, the manual count is still part of the whole election which is not over until it is official and certified on November 17th. The election on last Tuesday was so close that a law that has been previously used in Florida was enacted because the difference was less than .5%, that recount has still not been released or completed, the votes from overseas have yet to be counted as well and that deadline is the 17th as well. Asking for a hand count is lawful and not a separate count, it is an assesment of the current process and must be completed before the deadline of November 17th or the count will be official and certified without the completion of a hand count. The rules governing a request for a hand count are to be enacted within 72hrs of the election day, V.P. Gore's request fullfilled that. To say that this is a third recount is wholly untrue and misleading, please refrain from regurgatating the &quot;SPIN&quot; that you hear from either side and make a effort to find out the facts rather than choosing to be a sheep. Now about the Injunction, getting the Federal Goverment involved in the state of florida, the county of broward is a clear indication that the Republikan Party is not completly honest when they say that they are the Party of small goverment, Defenders of the States rights, etc..... I have to side with those who believe in states rights and the will of the people on this subject.


SHUX

 

[Shuxclams]

<< The bottom line is that these ballots have already been counted FOUR times per ballot. The process is complete. There is NO legitimate reason to hand count anything.
>>



Keep it up Russ, your the one sounding desperate. :Q And yes the &quot;official&quot; numbers do show Bush ahead, but the election isn't over and when it is and Bush still has a lead then Gore should conceed, if not then Bush should conceed. Its very simple, the election is not over, Gore has every right to ask for a hand count whether its justified or not, the county canvassing board directors have the say in whether or not to indulge V.P. Gore and each have, or have to, taken a vote on this.
Be patient, Bush would have been doing the same thing or worse if the &quot;injunction&quot; is a indicator of his demeanor. You are but a sheep and I pity you, but its not to late, engage your mind and try and think about the whole picture.


SHUX

 

[Anyone2u]

<< To say that this is a third recount is wholly untrue and misleading, please refrain from regurgatating the &quot;SPIN&quot; that you hear from either side and make a effort to find out the facts rather than choosing to be a sheep. >>



Shux, please don't accuse me of regurgating the &quot;spin&quot;. &quot;Spin&quot; refers to what you said to me above. You knew what I meant, that this was the third count and you &quot;spinned&quot; it into an insult (and purposely misleading people reading this post). No one on either side has stated (and convinced me) that there have been THREE recounts. I chose that phrase &quot;recount&quot; in reference to the third counting of the votes, which is currently going on.