GOP: Democrats in Congress - Time to Ante Up on Health Care

[Patranus]

Congressman John Fleming (R - Louisiana) has put forth a bill (HR 615) urging members of congress who vote for a "public option" to enroll themselves and their families in the same program.

Lets see if the Democrats put their money where their mouth is...
http://fleming.house.gov/

My resolution urges members of Congress who vote for this legislation to lead by example and enroll themselves in the public plan that their bill would create.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07...force_on_us_179743.htm

 

[sandorski]

Ante

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ante

Sue me...its bed time.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ante

Sue me...its bed time.

it's

As for your OP - same guy who submitted a resolution encouraging members of Congress to put their own chidlren and grandchildren into any war they vote for?

Oh ya, that bill doesn't exist. This is an issue of hypocritical political theatre.

 

[senseamp]

This is GOP for you, grandstanding, and no solutions to America's problems.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is GOP for you, grandstanding, and no solutions to America's problems.

What's worse... (for the sake of argument) having no idea or voting on 1000 page bills that no member of congress has read or undersands?

Conyers accidentally said what is really going on here... The name of the bill and the PR statement of what it is SUPPOSED to be about is more important than the actual language of what the bill says and what it really is... what it really does.

Why on earth would any reasonable person try to ram a 1000 page bill... a bill that may be one of the most important pieces of legislation in US history... through congress without debate and without public comment?

Forget what it's about for a second. It's this kind of rush that gave us the patriot act and the stimulous package. Why the rush? And more important... why push for the vote when nobody knows what's in the bill?

Really... this is insanity. No reasonable person could approve of this process.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is GOP for you, grandstanding, and no solutions to America's problems.

Kind of like the Democrats from 2000-06? Criticism is the best offense when you're the minority party.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Congressman John Fleming (R - Louisiana) has put forth a bill (HR 615) urging members of congress who vote for a "public option" to enroll themselves and their families in the same program.

Lets see if the Democrats put their money where their mouth is...
http://fleming.house.gov/

My resolution urges members of Congress who vote for this legislation to lead by example and enroll themselves in the public plan that their bill would create.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07...force_on_us_179743.htm

Meh. When Rep. Fleming drops his gold-plated Government provided Health Insurance in favor of an individual private plan, then we can talk. After all, if "personal responsibility" and being dropped for the audacity of actually using your health insurance is good enough for his constituents then it can be good enough for him!

 

[FerrelGeek]

Originally posted by: Craig234
As for your OP - same guy who submitted a resolution encouraging members of Congress to put their own chidlren and grandchildren into any war they vote for?

Oh ya, that bill doesn't exist. This is an issue of hypocritical political theatre.

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is GOP for you, grandstanding, and no solutions to America's problems.

Typical anand libertroll responses. Kindly address the OP's question. Should congress be required to be covered by the same health care plan that they are trying to force on the rest of us? Or are you OK with an elite political class as long as they promise to take care of you with other people's money?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Let's forget about the party lines for a second.

What percentage of politicians do you think would actually opt in for the public option? I seriously doubt many (if any at all) would choose to go that route.

 

[Starbuck1975]

As for your OP - same guy who submitted a resolution encouraging members of Congress to put their own chidlren and grandchildren into any war they vote for?

Deflection. Is this grandstanding? Absolutely. Shouldn't the Democrats and their "permanent" majority be able to just roll over such grandstanding?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ante

Sue me...its bed time.

FFS you'd think you'd have learned to spell going to Hopkins.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Oh ya, that bill doesn't exist. This is an issue of hypocritical political theatre.

I doubt so many '.gov' sites would have it if it was fake.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/...ery/z?d111:h.res.00615:

other "main stream" sites...
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hr615/show

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr111-615

 

[ss284]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Let's forget about the party lines for a second.

What percentage of politicians do you think would actually opt in for the public option? I seriously doubt many (if any at all) would choose to go that route.

Then again, some of these politicians aren't voting in favor of the public option. The question should be what percentage of politicians voting in favor of this option would opt into it themselves.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is GOP for you, grandstanding, and no solutions to America's problems.

Kind of like the Democrats from 2000-06? Criticism is the best offense when you're the minority party.

GOP was a do nothing party when they were majority too. They just have no solutions to America's problems, majority or minority is not going to change that.

 

[OCGuy]

Luckily the "public option" may be out.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Luckily the "public option" may be out.

Would mean this reform is not going to be effective, and we'll probably need to do more drastic reforms like single payer coverage down the road.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: OCguy
Luckily the "public option" may be out.

Would mean this reform is not going to be effective, and we'll probably need to do more drastic reforms like single payer coverage down the road.

You'd need to Legislate For Profit out of the system. From Hospitals to insurance Providers. It would probably work just as well as providing a Public Option, but passing such a thing is probably next to impossible.

If Obama fails to pass Reform, I think the only thing that could ever work would be drastic changes to Lobbying of Politicians, especially in regards to Campaign Funding.

 

[her209]

Similarly, those in Congress who vote against the final reform bill, should opt out of the FEHB and purchase one on the open market.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: her209
Similarly, those in Congress who vote against the final reform bill, should opt out of the FEHB and purchase one on the open market.

FEHB is essentially employer provided health coverage. Congress should just contract its health services to Kaiser instead.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: OCguy
Luckily the "public option" may be out.

Would mean this reform is not going to be effective, and we'll probably need to do more drastic reforms like single payer coverage down the road.

You'd need to Legislate For Profit out of the system. From Hospitals to insurance Providers. It would probably work just as well as providing a Public Option, but passing such a thing is probably next to impossible.

If Obama fails to pass Reform, I think the only thing that could ever work would be drastic changes to Lobbying of Politicians, especially in regards to Campaign Funding.

I don't think the current system is sustainable unless these reforms are passed, so if we don't have these reforms, then we'll inevitably have much more drastic change down the road.
The current system is in a death spiral, rising costs leading to more employers cutting and dropping coverage to remain competitive, leading to higher costs passed on to remaining rate payers, wash, rinse, repeat. Ultimately there are going to be more people uninsured and fewer invested in current employer based coverage system, and we'll end up with universal single payer coverage instead. Lobbyists can delay the inevitable, but they can't stop it. Not to mention that at some point Lobbyists for industries that have to pay this health care burden will be fighting health care industry lobbyists.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: OCguy
Luckily the "public option" may be out.

Would mean this reform is not going to be effective, and we'll probably need to do more drastic reforms like single payer coverage down the road.

You'd need to Legislate For Profit out of the system. From Hospitals to insurance Providers. It would probably work just as well as providing a Public Option, but passing such a thing is probably next to impossible.

If Obama fails to pass Reform, I think the only thing that could ever work would be drastic changes to Lobbying of Politicians, especially in regards to Campaign Funding.

I don't think the current system is sustainable unless these reforms are passed, so if we don't have these reforms, then we'll inevitably have much more drastic change down the road.
The current system is in a death spiral, rising costs leading to more employers cutting and dropping coverage to remain competitive, leading to higher costs passed on to remaining rate payers, wash, rinse, repeat. Ultimately there are going to be more people uninsured and fewer invested in current employer based coverage system, and we'll end up with universal single payer coverage instead. Lobbyists can delay the inevitable, but they can't stop it. Not to mention that at some point Lobbyists for industries that have to pay this health care burden will be fighting health care industry lobbyists.

The biggest problem is regulations regarding interstate sales of policies and tort reform.

If Kiaser was able to enter into market that are served by Blue Shield, Blue Shield would get CRUSHED.

If there was tort reform and baseless claims against doctors could be thrown out, all of these pointless tests would not be needed.

 

[Patranus]

Well, what do you know.....The Democrats strike down an amendment to put congress on whatever health care plan that is passed.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Patranus

The biggest problem is regulations regarding interstate sales of policies and tort reform.

If Kiaser was able to enter into market that are served by Blue Shield, Blue Shield would get CRUSHED.

If there was tort reform and baseless claims against doctors could be thrown out, all of these pointless tests would not be needed.

Oh! The lawyers done it!

Standard deflection tactic and very transparent may I add. The truth is insurance companies make an abosolute killing on MP insurance, and even at that MP insurance payments by doctors represents less than 2% of the national healthcare costs.

And I agree their needs to be tort reform, the current system we have where state laws take precedent over fedral laws is the biggest problem. Many states have already implemented reforms and established caps. But it is insignificant to the health care debate unless your desperately grasping for straws:laugh:

 

[umbrella39]

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