Google I/O 2012: Jelly Bean is here..Jelly Bean is here!

[MotionMan]

For me it is. I don't like to use iTunes, so for me airplay was the most useful and important feature of the ATV.

So when you made your bold, sweeping proclamation that "ATV is not very useful without an iPhone or iPad", you were only talking about you.

Got it.

MotionMan

 

[AnitaPeterson]

With regards to the Nexus, Richard Lai from Engadget nails it:

"I do worry about the tablet's lack of rear camera and SD card slot. These cost reductions may make sense to increase market penetration, but with internal storage limited to 16GB maximum and no neat way for expansion (let's face it: OTG is not a pretty alternative), comes a dilemma: you need a personal hotspot to access the rest of your content in the cloud while mobile, but that sucks up a considerable amount of bandwidth, and not everyone can afford unlimited tethering (if you can, chances are you already have a tablet). This means that the Nexus 7 may struggle to get people using the tablet outside the home."

I can only hope that the new standard set by the Nexus will prompt other manufacturers to improve their offers, and I'm pretty sure that either Asus, Acer or Samsung will make a Nexus equivalent with native USB hosting and external storage.

 

[s44]

Flashing JB is tempting, since I basically never use wifi (apparently the only wonky part for Verizon). But going through the flash process again when the code actually drops, yuck.

 

[trmiv]

The wifi signal reporting is off, but I don't notice it really performing badly.

 

[Spoooon]

Google Now is pretty cool, recent apps pop up with virtually no delay so far.

 

[Eug]

I can only hope that the new standard set by the Nexus will prompt other manufacturers to improve their offers, and I'm pretty sure that either Asus, Acer or Samsung will make a Nexus equivalent with native USB hosting and external storage.

Is it stupid to still hold out faint hope for an Asus MeMO 370T?

Probably, cuz I'm thinking the Nexus 7 IS the MeMO 370T, since the FCC approval document MeMO 370T made no mention of 3G, something that was supposed to be in one version of the MeMO 370T.

I don't want or need 3G on the unit, but I want the other features of MeMO 370T, in a 7" tablet. I know there are other tablets out there, but most with the features I want are 10". I have no want or need for a 10" tablet.

 

[Red Storm]

Is it stupid to still hold out faint hope for an Asus MeMO 370T?

Probably, cuz I'm thinking the Nexus 7 IS the MeMO 370T, since the FCC approval document MeMO 370T made no mention of 3G, something that was supposed to be in one version of the MeMO 370T.

I don't want or need 3G on the unit, but I want the other features of MeMO 370T, in a 7" tablet. I know there are other tablets out there, but most with the features I want are 10". I have no want or need for a 10" tablet.

Just get a Note and call it a day.

 

[Platypus]

JB is pretty fast no doubt, needs some work in some areas but a significant improvement; moreso than I thought it would be.

 

[AstroManLuca]

The wifi signal reporting is off, but I don't notice it really performing badly.

For me it is problematic. I used to be able to connect my phone to my work's wifi, but it no longer able to. I can only see the network half the time and it won't actually connect. After trying a few times it disappears and says it's not in range. This is kind of a problem since I want to redownload my apps but I don't want to use that much data on a capped plan. I prefer connecting to wifi whenever possible so I don't have to worry while browsing away from a hotspot.

 

[Eug]

Just get a Note and call it a day.

Personally I think the Note is totally ridiculous, to be honest. It's painfully awkward IMO. YMMV.

However, for phones I'm generally an iPhone fanboy. I have an iPhone 4, and I will be waiting for the iPhone 5 or 5S. I have checked out a lot of Android phones and I have very little interest in any of them.

For tablets I'm more indifferent. I have an iPad but I'm generally not enthused with it. No SD slot, limited media support, and too big for my tastes. Hence, my desire for an expandable (or at least high-storage) 7" Android tablet with decent screen.

 

[Sheep]

I'm an Android user and I'm in complete agreement with him. Ultimately, the lack of support beyond about 6 months will see Androids growth in market share slow, then stop, then reverse. When all the other players are dead Apple will begin to eat Android and this will be one of the main reasons. As an Android user it pisses me off big time!

The lack of Android updates doesn't matter to the average user. Think about how such a person buys a phone: They go into a carrier store and ask a salesperson what phone they should get. The salesperson gives them an option or two and the user takes it with zero research or comparison to other alternatives. The user simply doesn't give a damn like you or I or anyone reading this board or XDA/Rootzwiki would. As long as it's doing what they need it to do and not crashing much, they're completely fine with that.

 

[Eug]

The lack of Android updates doesn't matter to the average user. Think about how such a person buys a phone: They go into a carrier store and ask a salesperson what phone they should get. The salesperson gives them an option or two and the user takes it with zero research or comparison to other alternatives. The user simply doesn't give a damn like you or I or anyone reading this board or XDA/Rootzwiki would. As long as it's doing what they need it to do and not crashing much, they're completely fine with that.

I'd say many smartphone buyers care.

Feature phone buyers don't care as much, which is why many Android users don't care as much as iPhone buyers IMO. A higher percentage of iPhones are likely purchased to actually be used as smartphones than Android phones.

Similarly, I'd say Galaxy Note purchasers care more about Android updates than people with small low end Android phones.

 

[zsdersw]

I'd say many smartphone buyers care.

No. How many root their phones, again? Not many, relative to the entire Android smartphone user base.

 

[Red Storm]

So when you made your bold, sweeping proclamation that "ATV is not very useful without an iPhone or iPad", you were only talking about you.

Got it.

Yes, that's exactly what I was doing. To do the opposite (state an opinion as if it were a universal fact for all) would be pretty dumb...

 

[Red Storm]

I'd say many smartphone buyers care.

Feature phone buyers don't care as much, which is why many Android users don't care as much as iPhone buyers IMO. A higher percentage of iPhones are likely purchased to actually be used as smartphones than Android phones.

Similarly, I'd say Galaxy Note purchasers care more about Android updates than people with small low end Android phones.

I don't think they do. Touchwiz/Sense/Blur phones generally look and operate the same regardless of updates.

 

[Sheep]

No. How many root their phones, again? Not many, relative to the entire Android smartphone user base.

Same goes for iPhone owners. I see very few of my iPhone owning friends jailbreaking or wondering when the next version of iOS will roll out. The ones who do are gadget geeks anyway, and they're in a very small minority.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I'd say many smartphone buyers care.

Feature phone buyers don't care as much, which is why many Android users don't care as much as iPhone buyers IMO. A higher percentage of iPhones are likely purchased to actually be used as smartphones than Android phones.

Similarly, I'd say Galaxy Note purchasers care more about Android updates than people with small low end Android phones.

I know plenty of iPhone users who rarely update their phones at all and couldn't care less about what version of iOS they are running.

 

[Eug]

No. How many root their phones, again? Not many, relative to the entire Android smartphone user base.

Updating a phone OS cannot even be remotely compared to rooting a phone.

On the iOS side, people update their phones because the process is quick and easy, and provides benefit. End users like the updates. Yet, rooting is quite uncommon overall on the iOS side. Hell, despite the fact I am an AT geek, even I don't even jailbreak my iPhones. I love my OS updates, but have no desire to jailbreak.

The only time one of my iPhones was jailbroken was when I gave my old 3G to a friend of mine to see what he could do with it.

I know plenty of iPhone users who rarely update their phones at all and couldn't care less about what version of iOS they are running.

All of my iPhone owning friends have the latest iOS on their iPhones, and most of them aren't computer geeks like us.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-23/news/31385132_1_ios-android-software

iOS users migrate on to the latest version of the software remarkably fast. An analysis by David Smith found that almost 80 percent of eligible over-the-air users upgraded to the latest version of the software within 15 days. For all iOS users, approximately 80 percent run some version of iOS 5. By comparison, less than 3 percent of Android users are running the latest version of the software: Ice Cream Sandwich.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Updating a phone OS cannot even be remotely compared to rooting a phone.

On the iOS side, people update their phones because the process is quick and easy, and provides benefit. End users like the updates. Yet, rooting is quite uncommon overall on the iOS side. Hell, despite the fact I am an AT geek, even I don't even jailbreak my iPhones. I love my OS updates, but have no desire to jailbreak.

The only time one of my iPhones was jailbroken was when I gave my old 3G to a friend of mine to see what he could do with it.


All of my iPhone owning friends have the latest iOS on their iPhones, and most of them aren't computer geeks like us.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-23/news/31385132_1_ios-android-software

iOS users migrate on to the latest version of the software remarkably fast. An analysis by David Smith found that almost 80 percent of eligible over-the-air users upgraded to the latest version of the software within 15 days. For all iOS users, approximately 80 percent run some version of iOS 5. By comparison, less than 3 percent of Android users are running the latest version of the software: Ice Cream Sandwich.

So when given the choice to upgrade a fair number of iOS users clearly don't. I wonder what percentage of Android users go through with an over the air update, it bet it's at least as high as that.

The Android numbers don't say anything about users interest in updates. Besides those numbers were taken right before the most popular Android phone as well as several other popular models got ICS updates.

 

[Eug]

Besides those numbers were taken right before the most popular Android phone as well as several other popular models got ICS updates.

Maybe but we're talking about a difference of 80% iOS 5 vs. 3% ICS.

Honeycomb was released in 2010.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Maybe but we're talking about a difference of 80% iOS 5 vs. 3% ICS.

Honeycomb was released in 2010.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Every iOS device that will ever see an update to iOS5 has allready gotten one and it's adoption is only 80%. As of that article tens of millions of Galaxy S2s, Droid Razrs, and dozens of other models that will get an ICS update hadn't received it yet. To draw any consulsions about how much users care about updates you would need to compare the percentage of Android devices that have an ICS update available and are running ICS to the same value for iOS.

Honeycomb isn't relevant since it is tablet only, there aren't many Android tablets therefore it could never have a significant portion of the market.

 

[Red Storm]

Maybe but we're talking about a difference of 80% iOS 5 vs. 3% ICS.

Honeycomb was released in 2010.

It's two different philosophies and they aren't even handled the same. When I see comparisons like that it just feels like someone trying to shove the "Apple way" down an Android shaped hole.

For example, you need iOS6 to have the updated maps. The same is not true for Android, Google very often sends updates directly to the app itself, so users from various OS levels can get it, with no need to wait for a yearly update.

Android is open source. It's on the manufacturers to update their phones because they decided to take stock Android (which is directly supported by Google) and change it. Google is responsible for the Nexus phones, they are not responsible for the many changes that Samsung/Motorola/HTC make to Android. These facts seems to elude a lot of people who talk about Android updates.

The point is, it's not an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Skel]

No. How many root their phones, again? Not many, relative to the entire Android smartphone user base.

I hate it when people use their phones as phones...don't they know they could be so much more awesome if they would just do stuff the HW manufacture doesn't recommend.

 

[Spoooon]

Let's talk about Jelly Bean and not worry so much about who gets to update, who's fault it is, blah blah blah.

 

[vshah]

image recognition search in google drive is awesome!