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Google dropping Exchange ActiveSync

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btw, I had Gmail sync on my 4s for the longest time, until I realized I could've used EAS. EAS > Gmail on iOS any day! wtf archiving??? after I archived something I can never find it every again. Calendar syncing between multiple devices (ipad, iphone, coimputer) was buggy at best. Sometimes I'll get the push to my ipad, but not on my iphone, or pc. It was just a pain to manage, especially when the calendar events don't sync to all your devices!

After EAS, easy breezy!
 
So if I already have EAS Gmail setup on my iPhone 5, but wipe the phone today for ios upgrade/whatever. Could I add it back since its the "same device". Dang I shoulda done my device wiping yesterday. Thought the deadline was Jan 31 and not 30
 
This is about enough to make me leave gmail and never use another google product.


What a terrible thing to do to your customers and the industry.
 
chin311 said:
So if you have been using the exchange server for a while it will continue to work? This just applies to new accounts?

I use the exchange server on my iPhone for syncing contacts/calendar with my Gmail account, so I will be able to continue doing so?
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AFAIK it applies to new DEVICES.

Let's say you have chin311@gmail.com on your iPhone, and you have had it for a year. It will continue to work on that account on that device for the foreseeable future.

If you get a new iPhone next year, and you try to enable EAS with chin311@gmail.com, it won't work. Same account, new device = no dice.

This is really pissing me off too. I really don't want to stop using gmail, but if there is no other way to go, I'll get an @outlook.com address and autoforward all my gmail to outlook.
 
Does (or did) Google have to pay a licence fee to use EAS as it is Microsoft owned?

I can see why they would want to get off technology controlled by a competitor.
 
WelshBloke said:
Does (or did) Google have to pay a licence fee to use EAS as it is Microsoft owned?

I can see why they would want to get off technology controlled by a competitor.
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This is similar to honda making special wheels which require special honda tires that are patented so no one else can make them.

On the surface it's an excellent business decision, as now honda owners have to go to honda to buy tires.

In reality they're screwing the customer base, and long-term that rarely pays off.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
This is about enough to make me leave gmail and never use another google product.


What a terrible thing to do to your customers and the industry.
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The problem is that EAS is a closed, proprietary protocol which requires licensing from MS. Google gave ample notice and is providing alternatives for each component (mail, contacts and calendar) using open standards and leaving it enabled for those that already had it setup. What more could they have done that wouldn't also leave them giving MS more and more licensing money each year?
 
Nothinman said:
The problem is that EAS is a closed, proprietary protocol which requires licensing from MS. Google gave ample notice and is providing alternatives for each component (mail, contacts and calendar) using open standards and leaving it enabled for those that already had it setup. What more could they have done that wouldn't also leave them giving MS more and more licensing money each year?
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This. Nothing at all wrong with Google trying to get out of having to rely on MS and paying them.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
This is similar to honda making special wheels which require special honda tires that are patented so no one else can make them.

On the surface it's an excellent business decision, as now honda owners have to go to honda to buy tires.

In reality they're screwing the customer base, and long-term that rarely pays off.
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Exactly. If you're going to use a closed standard and charge people to use it you can't really complain if they use an alternative.

I don't use EAS on my phone so why should I have to pay extra to support it? If Microsoft are desperate for everyone to use it they should make it an open standard and not charge.
 
WelshBloke said:
Exactly. If you're going to use a closed standard and charge people to use it you can't really complain if they use an alternative.
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Not exactly - the guy you quoted is pro-Microsoft 😀

But you're right that it's MS, not Google that's pulling crap.
 
Nothinman said:
The problem is that EAS is a closed, proprietary protocol which requires licensing from MS. Google gave ample notice and is providing alternatives for each component (mail, contacts and calendar) using open standards and leaving it enabled for those that already had it setup. What more could they have done that wouldn't also leave them giving MS more and more licensing money each year?
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I get the details of this, but as much as google rakes in on advertising they should pay the fees to provide better service.

Trust me, I totally understand the point, but it's not like google does what it does out of the kindness of their hearts..
 
SpatiallyAware said:
I get the details of this, but as much as google rakes in on advertising they should pay the fees to provide better service.

Trust me, I totally understand the point, but it's not like google does what it does out of the kindness of their hearts..
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As much as MS rakes in they shouldn't charge for it.
 
Red Storm said:
As much as MS rakes in they shouldn't charge for it.
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Fine, then google should meet with MS and come to solution. It sort of sounds like that's already happening, but this mindset that google is totally innocent is, imo, false.

A lot of people give google a pass because they don't pay for it out of pocket, but google is making bank off of the info they scrape and should make an attempt to keep people happy.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
Fine, then google should meet with MS and come to solution. It sort of sounds like that's already happening, but this mindset that google is totally innocent is, imo, false.

A lot of people give google a pass because they don't pay for it out of pocket, but google is making bank off of the info they scrape and should make an attempt to keep people happy.
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In this particular case, they are.

They are under no obligation to continue to pay MS when there is an alternative that is open source and more affordable.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
Fine, then google should meet with MS and come to solution. It sort of sounds like that's already happening, but this mindset that google is totally innocent is, imo, false.

A lot of people give google a pass because they don't pay for it out of pocket, but google is making bank off of the info they scrape and should make an attempt to keep people happy.
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Its not a question of anybody being innocent or guilty.

Its whether Google think its worth paying a fee for every Android handset to support a closed standard controlled by one of their competitors.
 
Nothinman said:
The problem is that EAS is a closed, proprietary protocol which requires licensing from MS. Google gave ample notice and is providing alternatives for each component (mail, contacts and calendar) using open standards and leaving it enabled for those that already had it setup. What more could they have done that wouldn't also leave them giving MS more and more licensing money each year?
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I get that, but IMAP checking my gmail every 15 minutes as opposed to having mail pushed to my phone? That just doesn't cut it.
 
WelshBloke said:
Its not a question of anybody being innocent or guilty.

Its whether Google think its worth paying a fee for every Android handset to support a closed standard controlled by one of their competitors.
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It's like Apple with Google Maps. They opted to cut off support of a rival service at a degradation of quality to their product. Simply put, Activesync is superior to the alternatives. They are choosing to go a lower quality route that is an open standard, and that's certainly their choice to make, but lets not pretend that everything is equal other than license payments.
 
Deeko said:
It's like Apple with Google Maps. They opted to cut off support of a rival service at a degradation of quality to their product. Simply put, Activesync is superior to the alternatives. They are choosing to go a lower quality route that is an open standard, and that's certainly their choice to make, but lets not pretend that everything is equal other than license payments.
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Exactly..

I don't feel like google sat down and said ok it will cost us $xyz per handset. I believe they are doing this to essentially screw over their competition at the expense of the customer.

Again, I totally understand the business aspect, but long-term that is not a good way to handle these sorts of things.

Part of my... annoyance... is the stigma that gmail is free, so you take what you get.
 
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