Goodbye Research In Motion. Hello BlackBerry! (And BB10)

[Deeko]

You can turn off time shift. it's a mode on the camera.

 

[dlock13]

You can turn off time shift. it's a mode on the camera.

That's good. I couldn't remember the name of the mode.

I think the UI is extremely good looking. The text is clean like usual, and the transitions are so ace.

I don't think I could ever get another BB though. I think I'm too tied to Android.

 

[Eug]

I have to give credit to the notification LED.

I have that on Android, and it's colour coded. If it flashes purple, it's my Yahoo mail. Green is a text or something else.

 

[dlock13]

I have that on Android, and it's colour coded. If it flashes purple, it's my Yahoo mail. Green is a text or something else.

The awesome thing about Android is once again it's openness. LightFlow will allow you to set it all the way to specific apps. Say you receive a message from FB, you can set that to be the FB blue everyone has come to know. If you receive a text, that can be white or blink white/green on off, etc... It's really awesome for devices that have a multicoloured LED.

On my Galaxy Nexus, it was fantastic to use LED because I knew when I received anything. On the Droid DNA, they only have this really tiny LED near the speaker that when placed down anywhere, you have to look at it at a +50° angle. It's annoying as hell. Not to mention, it only has 3 colors. Green, yellow, and orange.

BB has always had a great bright notification LED that companies fail to see as useful even though it's one of the most useful things. Instead of turning your phone on all the time, you glance and you're good to go!

 

[silverpig]

The Z10 was a pretty awesome device. I loved the size of it. The screen was pretty solid. The UI was so fluid and functional. I'm happy about where BB has taken themselves. I did notice a bit of lag, but I'll say that was most likely due to it being a demo device.

I loved the keyboard. It would definitely take a little bit to get used to, but after using it, I think the swipe up features are fantastic albeit a little small. I can see someone peck typing, but I tried with normal typing (I'm a tiny guy, 5'6") and I felt like the words (to swipe up) could have been bigger because my fingers kept somewhat getting in the way. I can see peck typing being insanely fast on this type of keyboard that's for sure.

Other than that, I had one question about the camera. Is it always going to take a timelapse where you get to choose the best one, or can you turn that off and just take one picture at a time? I can see that getting annoying when you need fast action shots, etc..

You can turn it off. There are 3 modes to the camera: regular single shot, multi-shot timelapse, and video.

 

[dguy6789]

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/11/blackberry-z10-return-rate/

Can't say I'm surprised

 

[silverpig]

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/11/blackberry-z10-return-rate/

Can't say I'm surprised

BlackBerry says that's BS

“BlackBerry wishes to respond to media coverage today regarding speculation that there have been abnormally high levels of returns of BlackBerry Z10 devices. This is absolutely false. Our data shows that return rates for BlackBerry Z10 devices both in the U.S. and on a global basis are in line with or better than our expectations and are consistent with return rates for other premium smartphones in the market today.”

We will see what the next quarter results look like. They seem to be doing quite well everywhere that isn't the USA.

I've managed to convince a ton of people around the office to get the BB10.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Finally have some good battery life info. Full charge last night. 90 % this morning.

A day of listening to mp3s and email and Web browsing. Still at 35% with a heavy day of usage for me.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

BlackBerry says that's BS



We will see what the next quarter results look like. They seem to be doing quite well everywhere that isn't the USA.

I've managed to convince a ton of people around the office to get the BB10.

People have gone from saying it is going to be Crap a round my office to realizing that it is not Crap. Still the only owner but I doubt it will last.

 

[Bateluer]

BlackBerry says that's BS



We will see what the next quarter results look like. They seem to be doing quite well everywhere that isn't the USA.

I've managed to convince a ton of people around the office to get the BB10.

Is anyone surprised that Blackberry would deny poor sales and high return rates on their last ditch phone effort? They did the same thing with the Storm, and that phone did have a 50%+ return rate.

The Z10 was the phone they needed in early 2012. Now, its a year late and a Franklin short.

 

[dguy6789]

Microsoft says the surface and win 8 are selling great. Must be true

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Is anyone surprised that Blackberry would deny poor sales and high return rates on their last ditch phone effort? They did the same thing with the Storm, and that phone did have a 50%+ return rate.

The Z10 was the phone they needed in early 2012. Now, its a year late and a Franklin short.

Who has actual data?

Who has anecdotal evidence?

Regarding the storm? Here is Blackberry's Verizons response at the time of these rumors:
“The Storm has the lowest return rate of any of our PDAs and at this point in its life cycle, it has the lowest return rate of any PDA we currently sell.”

Funny, the people with the actual data were right in that case.

 

[Bateluer]

Who has actual data?

Who has anecdotal evidence?

Regarding the storm? Here is Blackberry's Verizons response at the time of these rumors:
“The Storm has the lowest return rate of any of our PDAs and at this point in its life cycle, it has the lowest return rate of any PDA we currently sell.”

Funny, the people with the actual data were right in that case.

Except, the Storm was a smartphone and not a PDA. And since Verizon didn't actually sell any PDAs, it probably did have the lowest returns and highest sales since it was their only PDA.

Also, I noticed no URL in your post, so, basically, your opinion. The Storm was the T-Bolt of its day, except the Tbolt at least had a working and responsive touch screen.

Blackberry and Microsoft will claim their new and controversial products are selling well, even as they gather dust at retail stores and get panned by reviewers and users alike. Its their job to hype their products. You don't really expect Blackberry to issue a PR statement that their last ditch effort is a failure, do you?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Finally have some good battery life info. Full charge last night. 90 % this morning.

A day of listening to mp3s and email and Web browsing. Still at 35% with a heavy day of usage for me.

losing 10% overnight is a good thing since when?

 

[silverpig]

Except, the Storm was a smartphone and not a PDA. And since Verizon didn't actually sell any PDAs, it probably did have the lowest returns and highest sales since it was their only PDA.

Also, I noticed no URL in your post, so, basically, your opinion. The Storm was the T-Bolt of its day, except the Tbolt at least had a working and responsive touch screen.

Blackberry and Microsoft will claim their new and controversial products are selling well, even as they gather dust at retail stores and get panned by reviewers and users alike. Its their job to hype their products. You don't really expect Blackberry to issue a PR statement that their last ditch effort is a failure, do you?

All of the negative Nancies have been eating their hats lately. When Cannacord revised their estimates down to something like 200k Z10s sold because of their channel checks, they were proven wrong.

There's a ton of bad press, but it's just that - it never bears reality.

 

[Makaveli]

losing 10% overnight is a good thing since when?

huh?

so the phone isn't going to discharge any battery while idling over night?

unless you know of a phone that doesn't use any juice at all while idle for an extended period of time?

 

[dlock13]

Speaking of the Storm, I actually liked that device a lot. I was insanely fast at typing on that screen, and honestly, even though it wasn't the best by any means, I really liked the SurePress tech. I used that phone for a good amount of time until I switched over to Android.

I never used the Storm 2 because I was already under the Android umbrella by then, but I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the Storm.

Anyway, back to the Z10........

 

[silverpig]

Is anyone surprised that Blackberry would deny poor sales and high return rates on their last ditch phone effort? They did the same thing with the Storm, and that phone did have a 50%+ return rate.

The Z10 was the phone they needed in early 2012. Now, its a year late and a Franklin short.

Well now BBRY is asking the SEC to investigate the false claim by Detwiler.

WATERLOO, ONTARIO--(Marketwired - April 12, 2013) - BlackBerry® (NASDAQ: BBRY)(TSX: BB), a world leader in mobile communications, today said it would seek Securities and Exchange Commission and Ontario Securities Commission review of a false and misleading report about retail return rates for the Company's new BlackBerry Z10 smartphone.

"Sales of the BlackBerry® Z10 are meeting expectations and the data we have collected from our retail and carrier partners demonstrates that customers are satisfied with their devices," said BlackBerry President and CEO Thorsten Heins. "Return rate statistics show that we are at or below our forecasts and right in line with the industry. To suggest otherwise is either a gross misreading of the data or a willful manipulation. Such a conclusion is absolutely without basis and BlackBerry will not leave it unchallenged."

BlackBerry and Verizon Wireless, the largest U.S. carrier, on Thursday refuted claims from research and investment firm Detwiler Fenton that BlackBerry Z10 devices were being returned in unusually high numbers. Detwiler Fenton refused to make either its report to investors or its methodology available to BlackBerry, even after the Company said the firm's findings were "absolutely false."

BlackBerry Chief Legal Officer Steve Zipperstein said: "These materially false and misleading comments about device return rates in the United States harm BlackBerry and our shareholders, and we call upon the appropriate authorities in Canada and the United States to conduct an immediate investigation. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the merits of the many competing products in the smartphone industry, but when false statements of material fact are deliberately purveyed for the purpose of influencing the markets a red line has been crossed."

Zipperstein said BlackBerry would present its formal request to U.S. and Canadian regulators in the next several days.

 

[Makaveli]

Well now BBRY is asking the SEC to investigate the false claim by Detwiler.

Good there are far to many people trying to make BBRY fail with false reports, Bogus shills in forums, and clueless sales people with agenda's.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Good there are far to many people trying to make BBRY fail with false reports, Bogus shills in forums, and clueless sales people with agenda's.

Unless I missed something, no one on this forum who actually used a Z10 disliked it. The common thread among negative 'reviews' is that they are being written without actually reviewing! Many of these and many analyst statements make sense only if you assume the source is currently short bb shares and is hoping to cover them cheaply.

It might make sense to say the bb ecosystem is still missing significant applications which may make it a nonstarter for some users at the moment, but the device and software are passing the test so far.

Even the PB tends to be well-reviewed by people who will not buy it, usually because of skype and/or netflix.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Except, the Storm was a smartphone and not a PDA. And since Verizon didn't actually sell any PDAs, it probably did have the lowest returns and highest sales since it was their only PDA.

Also, I noticed no URL in your post, so, basically, your opinion. The Storm was the T-Bolt of its day, except the Tbolt at least had a working and responsive touch screen.

Blackberry and Microsoft will claim their new and controversial products are selling well, even as they gather dust at retail stores and get panned by reviewers and users alike. Its their job to hype their products. You don't really expect Blackberry to issue a PR statement that their last ditch effort is a failure, do you?

The quote is in multiple articles. Use Google.

As for rest of your statement, trolling me bro'? Irony is sayings that I and corporations are making stuff up. Some people have an opinion and nothing will change that. [/conversation]

 

[Makaveli]

Unless I missed something, no one on this forum who actually used a Z10 disliked it. The common thread among negative 'reviews' is that they are being written without actually reviewing! Many of these and many analyst statements make sense only if you assume the source is currently short bb shares and is hoping to cover them cheaply.

It might make sense to say the bb ecosystem is still missing significant applications which may make it a nonstarter for some users at the moment, but the device and software are passing the test so far.

Even the PB tends to be well-reviewed by people who will not buy it, usually because of skype and/or netflix.

I wasn't referring to this forum and I agree with your post.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

FWIW:
There is one app that I want on the Z10 that exists. The one I use is good but lacking an important feature. The thing that bothers me about this app is also imperfect on Android. it has the missing feature I am interested in but it is a fairly poor implementation.

As a software engineer, I think I am going to try and write my own app. For my own use but if it is good, I am going to toss it up for sale in Blackberry World. Not giving it away though. Charging for it.

Got the SDK for it and I hope to start work this weekend.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

huh?

so the phone isn't going to discharge any battery while idling over night?

unless you know of a phone that doesn't use any juice at all while idle for an extended period of time?

My n4 loses 2-3% overnight. Same with gf's iPhone 5.

 

[Makaveli]

My n4 loses 2-3% overnight. Same with gf's iPhone 5.

I've had an Iphone 5 previously as a work phone and idling over night the drops in battery were alot higher than 2-3% but not 10% would have been more in the 5-8% range.

Then again this was a work phone so emails would still be coming in at night.