Goodbye Free Pornsites?

[Safeway]

Aww, no more over-the-counter trips for me.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: Nik
Doesn't this go against the whole innocent until proven guilty thing? Isn't it the law's job to prove the girls are under age, not the other way around?

Wouldn't it be better to prevent crime??

No, it wouldn't. In the name of "preventing crime" you can lock up *anyone* for *anything*, curtail *any* freedom including freedom to speak, to read certain books, play certain games and watch certain movies.

Preventing Crime is NOT a valid reason for curtailing Liberty. Let the bodies pile as high as mountains and let the oceans run red with blood, but let there be Liberty and Justice.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Nik
Doesn't this go against the whole innocent until proven guilty thing? Isn't it the law's job to prove the girls are under age, not the other way around?

Hmm, no. By the very same logic the cops can't pull you over to check if you're drunk.

Nonsense. If a cop pulls you over to see if you're drunk you've probably given probable cause by driving eratically.

Jason

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Preventing Crime is NOT a valid reason for curtailing Liberty. Let the bodies pile as high as mountains and let the oceans run red with blood, but let there be Liberty and Justice.

QFT, and just plain quoted.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Nik
Doesn't this go against the whole innocent until proven guilty thing? Isn't it the law's job to prove the girls are under age, not the other way around?

Hmm, no. By the very same logic the cops can't pull you over to check if you're drunk.

Police are required to have a reason to pull you over. However, all they have to do is say "he was swerving" whether you were or not or some crap and the law recognizes it as a reason since you can't prove that you weren't.

Licensing the porn industry? What's next? Licensing hookers and legalizing nation-wide prostitution?

I would support that. There is no legitimate reason why prostitution shouldn't be legal. Granted, a man who has ANY kind of self valuation doesn't need to pay to get laid, but hey, for the sake of those with low self esteem, I say we let them have hookers, then the states get a cut from the license fees and taxes paid by the hookers.

Jason

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Preventing Crime is NOT a valid reason for curtailing Liberty. Let the bodies pile as high as mountains and let the oceans run red with blood, but let there be Liberty and Justice.

Jason

That is a pretty retarded mantra. Anarchy and liberty are hardly the same thing.

 

[Gurck]

I can't wait for January 2009...

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Nik

Licensing the porn industry? What's next? Licensing hookers and legalizing nation-wide prostitution?

That would make a lot of sense to me, but it'll never happen. Our country was, unfortunately, founded by Puritans, and it's presently led by born-again Christians.

No, it wasn't. The founding fathers were primarily Deists (Jefferson and Madison for certain. Adams was a Christian, but a separationist).

Sadly however, your second point IS correct, and the Christians HAVE hijacked our originally secular government.

Jason

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Preventing Crime is NOT a valid reason for curtailing Liberty. Let the bodies pile as high as mountains and let the oceans run red with blood, but let there be Liberty and Justice.

Jason

That is a pretty retarded mantra. Anarchy and liberty are hardly the same thing.

Who said anything about anarchy?

Try not to confused "non-invasive government" with "total lack of governement."

 

nm

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Nik
Doesn't this go against the whole innocent until proven guilty thing? Isn't it the law's job to prove the girls are under age, not the other way around?

Hmm, no. By the very same logic the cops can't pull you over to check if you're drunk.

Police are required to have a reason to pull you over. However, all they have to do is say "he was swerving" whether you were or not or some crap and the law recognizes it as a reason since you can't prove that you weren't.

Licensing the porn industry? What's next? Licensing hookers and legalizing nation-wide prostitution?

I would support that. There is no legitimate reason why prostitution shouldn't be legal. Granted, a man who has ANY kind of self valuation doesn't need to pay to get laid, but hey, for the sake of those with low self esteem, I say we let them have hookers, then the states get a cut from the license fees and taxes paid by the hookers.

Jason

Why don't we legalize and heavily tax drug use with the restriction that you must only use at home and must stay within the confines of your home until the effects of the drug have worn off?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Preventing Crime is NOT a valid reason for curtailing Liberty. Let the bodies pile as high as mountains and let the oceans run red with blood, but let there be Liberty and Justice.

Jason

That is a pretty retarded mantra. Anarchy and liberty are hardly the same thing.

I wasn't talking about Anarchy, now was I? Perhaps next time you'll post something intelligent.

Jason

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

No, it wasn't. The founding fathers were primarily Deists (Jefferson and Madison for certain. Adams was a Christian, but a separationist).

Sadly however, your second point IS correct, and the Christians HAVE hijacked our originally secular government.

Jason

I wasn't talking about the Founding Fathers (though admittedly my use of the word "founders" might lend itself to that interpretation) - I was talking about the folks who came over on the Mayflower and other ships to start a nation in the New World.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Nik
Doesn't this go against the whole innocent until proven guilty thing? Isn't it the law's job to prove the girls are under age, not the other way around?

Hmm, no. By the very same logic the cops can't pull you over to check if you're drunk.

Police are required to have a reason to pull you over. However, all they have to do is say "he was swerving" whether you were or not or some crap and the law recognizes it as a reason since you can't prove that you weren't.

Licensing the porn industry? What's next? Licensing hookers and legalizing nation-wide prostitution?

I would support that. There is no legitimate reason why prostitution shouldn't be legal. Granted, a man who has ANY kind of self valuation doesn't need to pay to get laid, but hey, for the sake of those with low self esteem, I say we let them have hookers, then the states get a cut from the license fees and taxes paid by the hookers.

Jason

Why don't we legalize and heavily tax drug use with the restriction that you must only use at home and must stay within the confines of your home until the effects of the drug have worn off?

OK, I see no problem with that. I'll point out again that people SHOULDN'T use drugs, that as a matter of morality one ought not to engage in such practices as *will* destroy one's mind and body, however, moral choice is an *individual* action, not societal nor governmental.

Jason

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Nik

That has nothing to do with it. Don't turn this into a religious debate just because you have a hair up your ass about religion. This doesn't have one thing to do with religion, so leave religion out of it.

What the hell (no pun intended) are you talking about? I don't have a "hair up my ass" about religion, and what are you doing looking up there anyway?

IMO there's no legitimate justification for not legalizing and regulating prostitution, and the world would be a safer and cleaner place if it were so. Unfortunately, as I said, this country is too dominated by Christian dogma to let that happen.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

No, it wasn't. The founding fathers were primarily Deists (Jefferson and Madison for certain. Adams was a Christian, but a separationist).

Sadly however, your second point IS correct, and the Christians HAVE hijacked our originally secular government.

Jason

I wasn't talking about the Founding Fathers (though admittedly my use of the word "founders" might lend itself to that interpretation) - I was talking about the folks who came over on the Mayflower and other ships to start a nation in the New World.

That'a a fair enough distinction to draw, and about that you are absolutely correct

Jason

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Nik

That has nothing to do with it. Don't turn this into a religious debate just because you have a hair up your ass about religion. This doesn't have one thing to do with religion, so leave religion out of it.

What the hell (no pun intended) are you talking about? I don't have a "hair up my ass" about religion, and what are you doing looking up there anyway?

IMO there's no legitimate justification for not legalizing and regulating prostitution, and the world would be a safer and cleaner place if it were so. Unfortunately, as I said, this country is too dominated by Christian dogma to let that happen.

Looking up there anyway? :laugh:

I don't believe that drug abuse or prostitution has any place in a civilized, moral, ethical society. This idea may have stemmed from a religious up-bringing, but in my views have changed quite a bit and I've come to the conclusion that I still agree with that view without it having anything to do with my up-bringing. Many other non-religious folk share the same view.

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Queasy
All these porn site operators should already have their ducks in a row with identification and proof of age. Shouldn't take much to get a copy of subject's driver's license. That law has been on the books for almost 30 years.

So what do you do in a case where someone over the age of 21 (it's 21 in some states) wants to break into a porn career (which isn't illegal) but has one of those diseases that gives them convulsion fits or can't see very well or some other excuse the state makes for refusing to offer a driver's license?

State ID? Okay what if they don't have one? Do we make a law that says all porn stars must have some form of identification in order to get in to porn?

No no no no no. Too many laws. Too much big government. The more laws we make, the more laws we'll have to make in order to fix the loopholes and other crap that people will then focus on.

how about a passport, if your legal in the country then you can get a passport, that can be used as proof of how old you are

i personally think porn stars should have to prove their age, that way you get less industry wide abuse of young girls/boys, also less trafficking in non-english speaking foreigners of very young ages.....and to be honest i really dont find teh idea of watching a 16 year old naked very appealing, i much prefer a fully rounded woman in her late 20's early 30's

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Queasy
All these porn site operators should already have their ducks in a row with identification and proof of age. Shouldn't take much to get a copy of subject's driver's license. That law has been on the books for almost 30 years.

So what do you do in a case where someone over the age of 21 (it's 21 in some states) wants to break into a porn career (which isn't illegal) but has one of those diseases that gives them convulsion fits or can't see very well or some other excuse the state makes for refusing to offer a driver's license?

State ID? Okay what if they don't have one? Do we make a law that says all porn stars must have some form of identification in order to get in to porn?

No no no no no. Too many laws. Too much big government. The more laws we make, the more laws we'll have to make in order to fix the loopholes and other crap that people will then focus on.

how about a passport, if your legal in the country then you can get a passport, that can be used as proof of how old you are

i personally think porn stars should have to prove their age, that way you get less industry wide abuse of young girls/boys, also less trafficking in non-english speaking foreigners of very young ages.....and to be honest i really dont find teh idea of watching a 16 year old naked very appealing, i much prefer a fully rounded woman in her late 20's early 30's

What percentage of "industry wide abuse" constitutes the exploitation of children? Is it really worth making yet ANOTHER law for something that's done so rarely?

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

...I'll miss the free underage poon

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Nik
Doesn't this go against the whole innocent until proven guilty thing? Isn't it the law's job to prove the girls are under age, not the other way around?

Hmm, no. By the very same logic the cops can't pull you over to check if you're drunk.

Nonsense. If a cop pulls you over to see if you're drunk you've probably given probable cause by driving eratically.

Jason

Have you ever seen a check point? They have plenty of those in NYC.

 

[userman]

what will google do? they can link to all kinds of porn. some of it good some of it bad!

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Preventing Crime is NOT a valid reason for curtailing Liberty. Let the bodies pile as high as mountains and let the oceans run red with blood, but let there be Liberty and Justice.

Jason

That is a pretty retarded mantra.

Tell that to Ben Franklin and the rest of the founding fathers that shared it. And justice is not part of Anarchy. Its amazing how so many forget what this country stands for. I thought American history was a required course?

Anyway: I feel this is largely irrelevant. The internet is pretty much impossible to police, this would just result in more pornsites having their servers located outside the United States.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: edro13
Porn sites may have to provide proof that all models are of age.

Check out the first guys' last name... McAnally.

"People are pretty freaked out," said porn webmaster Jim McAnally, who estimates that more than half of hard-core websites, including some of his, will have to dump significant numbers of photos and videos. "This will affect people from top to bottom."

um they always have....
this isnt new stuff
all models must have proof they are 18+ any sites that violate are doign so illegally and can be prosecuted under the child porn laws.

 

[imported_Kensai]

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