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Good year for bonuses on Wall Street

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That Line at the Ferrari Dealer? It's Bonus Season on Wall Street
By JENNY ANDERSON

Published: December 28, 2004

Samantha Kleier Forbes, a 30-year-old real estate broker, was getting ready to leave for a vacation to Florida with her mother and sister when she got an urgent call. It was a client who had spent the summer scouring the Upper East Side of Manhattan for an apartment priced between $4 million and $5 million.

The client insisted on seeing more apartments that day, but now she wanted to look in the $6 million range. Her husband, a banker at Goldman Sachs in his late 30's, had just received his year-end bonus.

"Normally this time of year is dead," said Ms. Forbes, a vice president at Gumley Haft Kleier, a residential real estate brokerage. But this winter there is unusual buying interest that she attributes to rich Wall Street bonuses. She is cutting her end-of-the-year vacation short, so she can prepare for an onslaught of clients eager to see apartments.

The year-end bonus is a Wall Street tradition, and for a second consecutive year, the amounts are significant. Three major Wall Street firms - Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns - have reported record profits for the year and all are said to have given out handsome bonuses.

The totals in 2003 were already impressive: Lloyd S. Blankfein, the president and chief operating officer of Goldman Sachs made $20.1 million, of that only $600,000 was salary; and E. Stanley O'Neal, the chief executive of Merrill Lynch, received a bonus of $13.5 million and restricted stock worth $11.2 million on top of his $500,000 salary. At the other end of the compensation spectrum, an investment banking analyst right out of college would have made a $65,000 salary and a $35,000 bonus last year. An associate just out of business school might have made $85,000 in salary and a $115,000 bonus.

This year, investment bankers are expected to see gains in bonuses of 10 to 15 percent, amid a year-end flurry of mergers. Fixed-income traders, who have been the best compensated Wall Street professionals in recent years, will also be amply rewarded, but their percentage gains may be smaller than those of bankers. Bonuses, of course, vary by bank, by division and by individual. They reflect the firm's profitability and the group's performance, as well as the individual's contribution.

This year's bonuses do not quite reach the heights touched by star bankers and traders in the heyday of the late 1990's technology bubble. But they are rich enough to persuade many of Wall Street's elite to rediscover conspicuous consumption.

One senior trader is building a sports complex for triathlon training at his house in upstate New York. It will include a swim-in-place lap pool, a climbing wall and a fitness center. Another bought an Aston Martin. For some, upgrading real estate is the first order of business.

But many Wall Street professionals are urging caution, given that the bonus typically constitutes the majority of their compensation. More than a dozen bankers, all of whom would talk about their spending only on the condition of anonymity, said they were all too aware that the good times could end as quickly as they did after 2000, when a $2.5 million income could turn to $800,000 overnight.

"Given the last two to three years when people figured out that this business is pretty volatile, they are going to try and bank a lot of their bonuses," said one managing director at a firm where bonuses have been announced. "They've seen too many people laid off and they realize they can't just spend all their money."

It should be noted that this same banker just bought a $150,000 Aston Martin to park in his garage in Greenwich, Conn.

Another senior banker at a different firm, who is set to receive a $2.8 million bonus, said he had bought his wife a mink coat and was planning a weeklong skiing vacation out West. But he also said he intended to save most of the money. "We're not buying homes or boats, we're not spending on the big things," he said. "We are more relaxed and generous on the small things."

Of course, small is in the eye of the beholder. While the Maybach, an exclusive line of luxury cars made by Mercedes-Benz that starts at $315,000, appears on the wish lists of many bankers, relatively less expensive models from Aston Martin, Bentley and Maserati have also been popular. Michael Parchment, general manager for Miller Motorcars, a luxury dealership in Greenwich, said demand had been soaring.

"It's probably up 20 to 30 percent from the same time period last year," he said. "Unfortunately, production isn't up." The result, he said, are some unhappy bankers.

 
Good for them.

Hope they donate a fraction of their bonus to the relief efforts for the tsunami/earthquake victims,
 
Let's all vote for a tax hike, so we can steal their money and waste it on government cheese!
 
How do you become an investment banker? Is this something that is handed down from generation to generation or do these guys come out of college and land these great gigs? How are they able to land these gigs by the way? Does a bachelors/masters degree help or is it something else?
 
Originally posted by: tec699
How do you become an investment banker? Is this something that is handed down from generation to generation or do these guys come out of college and land these great gigs? How are they able to land these gigs by the way? Does a bachelors/masters degree help or is it something else?

go to harvard business.
 
Good god! A bonus thats more then most people will make is 30 years.

Hope i dont hijack this thread but how are bonuses taxed?
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: tec699
How do you become an investment banker? Is this something that is handed down from generation to generation or do these guys come out of college and land these great gigs? How are they able to land these gigs by the way? Does a bachelors/masters degree help or is it something else?

go to harvard business.

I guess my community college degree is useless?!
 
Originally posted by: tec699
How do you become an investment banker? Is this something that is handed down from generation to generation or do these guys come out of college and land these great gigs? How are they able to land these gigs by the way? Does a bachelors/masters degree help or is it something else?

also prepare for 120 hours a week

 
I recall reading somewhere that they listed the average $$$ for an investment banker at $120k starting. I guess salary + bonus this year made that figure pretty accurate.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
How do you become an investment banker? Is this something that is handed down from generation to generation or do these guys come out of college and land these great gigs? How are they able to land these gigs by the way? Does a bachelors/masters degree help or is it something else?
you go to top business school and then prepare for 120 hour work weeks

 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: tec699
How do you become an investment banker? Is this something that is handed down from generation to generation or do these guys come out of college and land these great gigs? How are they able to land these gigs by the way? Does a bachelors/masters degree help or is it something else?

also prepare for 120 hours a week

Most of them also have MBA from a top tier b-school.
 
1st year analysts make about $150K or so. They are almost always undergrad.

Research associates in equity research make up to $175K where I work.
 
honestly I bankers average around 80-120 hours a week. they live at the office. and to get into the field you need to go to a good business school and kickass during interviews b/c finance interviews are the harders for college grads
 
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: tec699
How do you become an investment banker? Is this something that is handed down from generation to generation or do these guys come out of college and land these great gigs? How are they able to land these gigs by the way? Does a bachelors/masters degree help or is it something else?

also prepare for 120 hours a week

Most of them also have MBA from a top tier b-school.
wouldn't that be a couple years down the line? I thought on average people entered MBA programs around 28-30. Most rookie investment bankers come straight out of undergrad i think

 
rookie ibankers usually come out of undergrad and are called junior analysts or something like that. They typically put in about 2 years and either burn out, are let go after the 2 year program, or hired back as an analyst. Those who are let go apply to other banks or go back and get their mba. Junior analysts don't make that much for the work they put in, typically start at about 55k right out of college with a possibility of up to 100% bonus, but they also work about 115 hours per week and have to live in midtown manhattan where half their salary goes to their housing costs.
 
Originally posted by: poncherelli2
rookie ibankers usually come out of undergrad and are called junior analysts or something like that. They typically put in about 2 years and either burn out, are let go after the 2 year program, or hired back as an analyst. Those who are let go apply to other banks or go back and get their mba. Junior analysts don't make that much for the work they put in, typically start at about 55k right out of college with a possibility of up to 100% bonus, but they also work about 115 hours per week and have to live in midtown manhattan where half their salary goes to their housing costs.

if you divide the salary to the actual hours worked, they probably get minimum wage lol


 
nah I have a friend who works at Morgan Stanley, he says that while the hours are indeed long, most insiders tend to exaggerate the number of hours they work. It depends on things like time of year, bear/bull market, etc....but on average he said it's more like 80 hours per week.

Which is still pretty insane, and I never see him.
 
why the long hours? are they crunching numbers? doing spreadsheets? are they on the phone all the time? I guess American Psycho isn't an accurate description then, hehe.
 
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