Good Shoots: October Edition

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frowertr

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Just to be clear

The risk from allowing law-abiding citizens from carrying in your store is the very small chance of an accidental shooting.

I'm not exactly sure how the business would be at fault for this. In any event, that is why we carry liability insurance.
 

jackstar7

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No, that would be control. Now, if you feel that controlling citizens is societal progress than more power to you. I, on the other hand, don't.

Ah, good ol' control. That illusion that always appears well in hand.

I see self-driving cars that prevent both accidents and the literally thousands of deaths each year as societal progress, yes. Not to mention I'd enjoy being able to sleep during my commute AND to have a shorter commute.

But tell me, what are the downsides as you see them? I'm confused how it is control that is being given up when you'd still have to be the one to get in the car and tell it where you want to go. Or do you imagine the car forcing you to do things? Are you afraid of a skynet with cars situation? I just want to know more.
 

jackstar7

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I'm not exactly sure how the business would be at fault for this. In any event, that is why we carry liability insurance.

I don't believe he said anything about fault, just the risk of an incident happening and potentially being witness or party to such an event. There are some costs that are not directly financial with both incidents.
 

frowertr

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I don't believe he said anything about fault, just the risk of an incident happening and potentially being witness or party to such an event. There are some costs that are not directly financial with both incidents.

Yes, you are correct. I had to go back and re-read.

With my business hat on I always think of financial issues.
 

smackababy

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Just to be clear

The risk from allowing law-abiding citizens from carrying in your store is the very small chance of an accidental shooting.

The risk from not allowing law-abiding citizens from carrying in your store is the very small chance they could stop a shooting by someone who is up to no good.

I actually don't know the likelihood of either of these cases. I think for certain businesses asking law-abiding citizens to leave them at home is reasonable, but for others it isn't.

606 accidental shooting related deaths in the US in 2010. I can't find injuries right away, so I only have the death numbers. That also doesn't include idiots who "get mad and blast fools" texting at the movies.

Alternatively, in 2010 there were an estimated 1,246,248 violent crimes and an estimated 9,082,887 property crimes.

Which is more likely to happen, you think?