Good read (partially quoted): How we would fight China

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Very good article and very well written. Quoting partially from it here since I don't have a subscription. Don't agree with all of what he writes and think some of his conclusions/premises are off-base, but there's quite a bit of food for thought in there and it's well worth the time spent. This is a partial posting of the text to whet your appetite:

The Middle East is just a blip. The American military contest with China in the Pacific will define the twenty-first century. And China will be a more formidable adversary than Russia ever was?

?In any naval encounter China will have distinct advantages over the United States, even if it lags in technological military prowess. It has the benefit, for one thing, of sheer proximity. Its military is an avid student of the competition, and a fast learner. It has growing increments of ?soft? power that demonstrate a particular gift for adaptation. While stateless terrorists fill security vacuums, the Chinese fill economic ones. All over the globe, in such disparate places as the troubled Pacific Island states of Oceania, the Panama Canal zone, and out-of-the-way African nations, the Chinese are becoming masters of indirect influence?by establishing business communities and diplomatic outposts, by negotiating construction and trade agreements. Pulsing with consumer and martial energy, and boasting a peasantry that, unlike others in history, is overwhelmingly literate, China constitutes the principal conventional threat to America?s liberal imperium.

How should the United States prepare to respond to challenges in the Pacific? To understand the dynamics of this second Cold War?which will link China and the United States in a future that may stretch over several generations?it is essential to understand certain things about the first Cold War, and about the current predicament of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the institution set up to fight that conflict. This is a story about military strategy and tactics, with some counterintuitive twists and turns.

The first thing to understand is that the alliance system of the latter half of the twentieth century is dead. Warfare by committee, as practiced by NATO, has simply become too cumbersome in an age that requires light and lethal strikes. During the fighting in Kosovo in 1999 (a limited air campaign against a toothless enemy during a time of Euro-American harmony; a campaign, in other words, that should have been easy to prosecute) dramatic fissures appeared in the then-nineteen-member NATO alliance. The organization?s end effectively came with the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, in the aftermath of which, despite talk of a broad-based coalition, European militaries have usually done little more than patrol and move into areas already pacified by U.S. soldiers and Marines?a job more suggestive of the United Nations. NATO today is a medium for the expansion of bilateral training missions between the United States and formerly communist countries and republics: the Marines in Bulgaria and Romania, the Navy in Albania, the Army in Poland and the Czech Republic, Special Operations Forces in Georgia?the list goes on and on. Much of NATO has become a farm system for the major-league U.S. military.

The second thing to understand is that the functional substitute for a NATO of the Pacific already exists, and is indeed up and running. It is the U.S. Pacific Command, known as PACOM. Unencumbered by a diplomatic bureaucracy, PACOM is a large but nimble construct, and its leaders understand what many in the media and the policy community do not: that the center of gravity of American strategic concern is already the Pacific, not the Middle East. PACOM will soon be a household name, as CENTCOM (the U.S. Central Command) has been in the current epoch of Middle Eastern conflict?an epoch that will start to wind down, as far as the U.S. military is concerned, during the second Bush administration.

The third thing to understand is that, ironically, the vitality of NATO itself, the Atlantic alliance, could be revived by the Cold War in the Pacific?and indeed the re-emergence of NATO as an indispensable war-fighting instrument should be America?s unswerving aim. In its posture toward China the United States will look to Europe and NATO, whose help it will need as a strategic counterweight and, by the way, as a force to patrol seas more distant than the Mediterranean and the North Atlantic. That is why NATO?s current commander, Marine General James L. Jones, emphasizes that NATO?s future lies in amphibious, expeditionary warfare?

?In the Pacific, however, a Bismarckian arrangement still prospers, helped along by the pragmatism of our Hawaii-based military officers, five time zones removed from the ideological hothouse of Washington, D.C. In fact, PACOM represents a much purer version of Bismarck?s imperial superstructure than anything the Bush administration created prior to invading Iraq. As Henry Kissinger writes in Diplomacy (1994), Bismarck forged alliances in all directions from a point of seeming isolation, without the constraints of ideology. He brought peace and prosperity to Central Europe by recognizing that when power relationships are correctly calibrated, wars tend to be avoided.

Only a similarly pragmatic approach will allow us to accommodate China?s inevitable re-emergence as a great power. The alternative will be to turn the earth of the twenty-first century into a battlefield. Whenever great powers have emerged or re-emerged on the scene (Germany and Japan in the early decades of the twentieth century, to cite two recent examples), they have tended to be particularly assertive?and therefore have thrown international affairs into violent turmoil. China will be no exception. Today the Chinese are investing in both diesel-powered and nuclear-powered submarines?a clear signal that they intend not only to protect their coastal shelves but also to expand their sphere of influence far out into the Pacific and beyond.

This is wholly legitimate. China?s rulers may not be democrats in the literal sense, but they are seeking a liberated First World lifestyle for many of their 1.3 billion people?and doing so requires that they safeguard sea-lanes for the transport of energy resources from the Middle East and elsewhere. Naturally, they do not trust the United States and India to do this for them. Given the stakes, and given what history teaches us about the conflicts that emerge when great powers all pursue legitimate interests, the result is likely to be the defining military conflict of the twenty-first century: if not a big war with China, then a series of Cold War?style standoffs that stretch out over years and decades. And this will occur mostly within PACOM?s area of responsibility?

?The relative shift in focus from the Middle East to the Pacific in coming years?idealistic rhetoric notwithstanding?will force the next American president, no matter what his or her party, to adopt a foreign policy similar to those of moderate Republican presidents such as George H. W. Bush, Gerald Ford, and Richard Nixon. The management of risk will become a governing ideology. Even if Iraq turns out to be a democratic success story, it will surely be a from-the-jaws-of-failure success that no one in the military or the diplomatic establishment will ever want to repeat?especially in Asia, where the economic repercussions of a messy military adventure would be enormous. ?Getting into a war with China is easy,? says Michael Vickers, a former Green Beret who developed the weapons strategy for the Afghan resistance in the 1980s as a CIA officer and is now at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, in Washington. ?You can see many scenarios, not just Taiwan?especially as the Chinese develop a submarine and missile capability throughout the Pacific. But the dilemma is, How do you end a war with China??

Like the nations involved in World War I, and unlike the rogue states everyone has been concentrating on, the United States and China in the twenty-first century would have the capacity to keep fighting even if one or the other lost a big battle or a missile exchange. This has far-reaching implications. ?Ending a war with China,? Vickers says, ?may mean effecting some form of regime change, because we don?t want to leave some wounded, angry regime in place.? Another analyst, this one inside the Pentagon, told me, ?Ending a war with China will force us to substantially reduce their military capacity, thus threatening their energy sources and the Communist Party?s grip on power. The world will not be the same afterward. It?s a very dangerous road to travel on.??

?Whatever we say or do, China will spend more and more money on its military in the coming decades. Our only realistic goal may be to encourage it to make investments that are defensive, not offensive, in nature. Our efforts will require particular care, because China, unlike the Soviet Union of old (or Russia today, for that matter), boasts soft as well as hard power. Businesspeople love the idea of China; you don?t have to beg them to invest there, as you do in Africa and so many other places. China?s mixture of traditional authoritarianism and market economics has broad cultural appeal throughout Asia and other parts of the world. And because China is improving the material well-being of hundreds of millions of its citizens, the plight of its dissidents does not have quite the same market allure as did the plight of the Soviet Union?s Sakharovs and Sharanskys. Democracy is attractive in places where tyranny has been obvious, odious, and unsuccessful, of course, as in Ukraine and Zimbabwe. But the world is full of gray areas?Jordan and Malaysia, for example?where elements of tyranny have ensured stability and growth?

?At the moment the challenges posed by a rising China may seem slight, even nonexistent. The U.S. Navy?s warships have a collective ?full-load displacement? of 2.86 million tons; the rest of the world?s warships combined add up to only 3.04 million tons. The Chinese navy?s warships have a full-load displacement of only 263,064 tons. The United States deploys twenty-four of the world?s thirty-four aircraft carriers; the Chinese deploy none (a principal reason why they couldn?t mount a rescue effort after the tsunami). The statistics go on. But as Robert Work, a senior analyst at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, points out, at the start of the twenty-seven-year Peloponnesian War, Athens had a great advantage over Sparta, which had no navy?but Sparta eventually emerged the victor.

China has committed itself to significant military spending, but its navy and air force will not be able to match ours for some decades. The Chinese are therefore not going to do us the favor of engaging in conventional air and naval battles, like those fought in the Pacific during World War II. The Battle of the Philippine Sea, in late June of 1944, and the Battle of Leyte Gulf and the Surigao Strait, in October of 1944, were the last great sea battles in American history, and are very likely to remain so. Instead the Chinese will approach us asymmetrically, as terrorists do. In Iraq the insurgents have shown us the low end of asymmetry, with car bombs. But the Chinese are poised to show us the high end of the art. That is the threat.

There are many ways in which the Chinese could use their less advanced military to achieve a sort of political-strategic parity with us. According to one former submarine commander and naval strategist I talked to, the Chinese have been poring over every detail of our recent wars in the Balkans and the Persian Gulf, and they fully understand just how much our military power depends on naval projection?that is, on the ability of a carrier battle group to get within proximity of, say, Iraq, and fire a missile at a target deep inside the country. To adapt, the Chinese are putting their fiber-optic systems underground and moving defense capabilities deep into western China, out of naval missile range?all the while developing an offensive strategy based on missiles designed to be capable of striking that supreme icon of American wealth and power, the aircraft carrier. The effect of a single Chinese cruise missile?s hitting a U.S. carrier, even if it did not sink the ship, would be politically and psychologically catastrophic, akin to al-Qaeda?s attacks on the Twin Towers. China is focusing on missiles and submarines as a way to humiliate us in specific encounters. Their long-range-missile program should deeply concern U.S. policymakers?

?What should be our military response to such developments? We need to go more unconventional. Our present Navy is mainly a ?blue-water? force, responsible for the peacetime management of vast oceanic spaces?no small feat, and one that enables much of the world?s free trade. The phenomenon of globalization could not occur without American ships and sailors. But increasingly what we will need is, in essence, three separate navies: one designed to maintain our ability to use the sea as a platform for offshore bombing (to support operations like the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan); one designed for littoral Special Operations combat (against terrorist groups based in and around Indonesia, Malaysia, and the southern Philippines, for example); and one designed to enhance our stealth capabilities (for patrolling the Chinese mainland and the Taiwan Strait, among other regions). All three of these navies will have a role in deflecting China, directly and indirectly, given the variety of dysfunctional Pacific Island republics that are strengthening their ties with Beijing?


?Andersen Air Force Base, on Guam?s northern tip, represents the future of U.S. strategy in the Pacific. It is the most potent platform anywhere in the world for the projection of American military power. Landing there recently in a military aircraft, I beheld long lines of B-52 bombers, C-17 Globemasters, F/A-18 Hornets, and E-2 Hawkeye surveillance planes, among others. Andersen?s 10,000-foot runways can handle any plane in the Air Force?s arsenal, and could accommodate the space shuttle should it need to make an emergency landing. The sprawl of runways and taxiways is so vast that when I arrived, I barely noticed a carrier air wing from the USS Kitty Hawk, which was making live practice bombing runs that it could not make from its home port in Japan. I saw a truck filled with cruise missiles on one of the runways. No other Air Force base in the Pacific stores as much weaponry as Andersen: some 100,000 bombs and missiles at any one time. Andersen also stores 66 million gallons of jet fuel, making it the Air Force?s biggest strategic gas-and-go in the world.

Guam, which is also home to a submarine squadron and an expanding naval base, is significant because of its location. From the island an Air Force equivalent of a Marine or Army division can cover almost all of PACOM?s area of responsibility. Flying to North Korea from the West Coast of the United States takes thirteen hours; from Guam it takes four.

?This is not like Okinawa,? Major General Dennis Larsen, the Air Force commander there at the time of my visit, told me. ?This is American soil in the midst of the Pacific. Guam is a U.S. territory.? The United States can do anything it wants here, and make huge investments without fear of being thrown out. Indeed, what struck me about Andersen was how great the space was for expansion to the south and west of the current perimeters. Hundreds of millions of dollars of construction funds were being allocated. This little island, close to China, has the potential to become the hub in the wheel of a new, worldwide constellation of bases that will move the locus of U.S. power from Europe to Asia. In the event of a conflict with Taiwan, if we had a carrier battle group at Guam we would force the Chinese either to attack it in port?thereby launching an assault on sovereign U.S. territory, and instantly becoming the aggressor in the eyes of the world?or to let it sail, in which case the carrier group could arrive off the coast of Taiwan only two days later?

?I have visited a number of CSLs in East Africa and Asia. Here is how they work. The United States provides aid to upgrade maintenance facilities, thereby helping the host country to better project its own air and naval power in the region. At the same time, we hold periodic exercises with the host country?s military, in which the base is a focus. We also offer humanitarian help to the surrounding area. Such civil-affairs projects garner positive publicity for our military in the local media?and they long preceded the response to the tsunami, which marked the first time that many in the world media paid attention to the humanitarian work done all over the world, all the time, by the U.S. military. The result is a positive diplomatic context for getting the host country?s approval for use of the base when and if we need it.

Often the key role in managing a CSL is played by a private contractor. In Asia, for example, the private contractor is usually a retired American noncom, either Navy or Air Force, quite likely a maintenance expert, who is living in, say, Thailand or the Philippines, speaks the language fluently, perhaps has married locally after a divorce back home, and is generally much liked by the locals. He rents his facilities at the base from the host-country military, and then charges a fee to the U.S. Air Force pilots transiting the base. Officially he is in business for himself, which the host country likes because it can then claim it is not really working with the American military. Of course no one, including the local media, believes this. But the very fact that a relationship with the U.S. armed forces is indirect rather than direct eases tensions. The private contractor also prevents unfortunate incidents by keeping the visiting pilots out of trouble?steering them to the right hotels and bars, and advising them on how to behave. (Without Dan Generette, a private contractor for years at Utapao Naval Station, in Thailand, that base could never have been ramped up to provide tsunami relief the way it was.)?

?The first part of the twenty-first century will be not nearly as stable as the second half of the twentieth, because the world will be not nearly as bipolar as it was during the Cold War. The fight between Beijing and Washington over the Pacific will not dominate all of world politics, but it will be the most important of several regional struggles. Yet it will be the organizing focus for the U.S. defense posture abroad. If we are smart, this should lead us back into concert with Europe. No matter how successfully our military adapts to the rise of China, it is clear that our current dominance in the Pacific will not last. The Asia expert Mark Helprin has argued that while we pursue our democratization efforts in the Middle East, increasingly befriending only those states whose internal systems resemble our own, China is poised to reap the substantial benefits of pursuing its interests amorally?what the United States did during the Cold War. The Chinese surely hope, for example, that our chilly attitude toward the brutal Uzbek dictator, Islam Karimov, becomes even chillier; this would open up the possibility of more pipeline and other deals with him, and might persuade him to deny us use of the air base at Karshi-Khanabad. Were Karimov to be toppled in an uprising like the one in Kyrgyzstan, we would immediately have to stabilize the new regime or risk losing sections of the country to Chinese influence?


The URL for the complete article is http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/kaplan.

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: beyoku
Why again do we need to fight China?

We dont need to do anything. One day however China will be bigger than us in terms of economic power and military power. When that happens you can expect China to flex their muscles a bit in the region.

I can sum up our plan for China.

Low yield tactical nuclear weapons used on large troop and armor formations.
 

OS

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Considering the US is developing all kinds of anti missile technology, while retaining our traditional nuclear arsenal, I'm not sure I see how China is going to be such a serious military threat.
 

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Originally posted by: OS
Considering the US is developing all kinds of anti missile technology, while retaining our traditional nuclear arsenal, I'm not sure I see how China is going to be such a serious military threat.

China has been dealing with military threats for many thousands of years. What it will do is wait. It will sit there and grow more and more powerful.

Our best hope is that China remains culturally xenophobic. They have been content to be China, except for brief and local excursions. They simply don't invade other countries like we do. If they become like us, heaven help the world, because they will do things in their own time in their own way.

If we can shoot down 90 percent of incoming missles, China (if it really wanted to attack us) will wait a few decades so that 10 percent will look like Hell was visited upon us.

Make no mistake, we had better hope China does not decide to take the route we have.
 

OS

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: OS
Considering the US is developing all kinds of anti missile technology, while retaining our traditional nuclear arsenal, I'm not sure I see how China is going to be such a serious military threat.

China has been dealing with military threats for many thousands of years. What it will do is wait. It will sit there and grow more and more powerful.

Our best hope is that China remains culturally xenophobic. They have been content to be China, except for brief and local excursions. They simply don't invade other countries like we do. If they become like us, heaven help the world, because they will do things in their own time in their own way.

If we can shoot down 90 percent of incoming missles, China (if it really wanted to attack us) will wait a few decades so that 10 percent will look like Hell was visited upon us.

Make no mistake, we had better hope China does not decide to take the route we have.


Anything beyond the next couple decades, I question whether their communist government will still be around.
 

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The fact is that China and the US have become so closeley linked that it is very unlikely any major war, cold or otherwise, will happen. We depend on them for financing our exuberant consumption and cheap imports. They depend on us for markets and technology. It would be a major cataclysm for any country to sink to the level of the USSR and USA opposition during the cold war. The US cares not about human rights, in China or otherwise, and after Iraq and Guantanamo the annual Human Rights report was met with a simple ridicule, and dismissed as the propaganda exersise it has always been. Even Murdock's rags were openly laughing at the report, and that tells you something.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: beyoku
Why again do we need to fight China?

We dont need to do anything. One day however China will be bigger than us in terms of economic power and military power. When that happens you can expect China to flex their muscles a bit in the region.

I can sum up our plan for China.

Low yield tactical nuclear weapons used on large troop and armor formations.

I think people are getting all worked up about China for nothing. China is certainly becoming more and more powerful, but the reason for that rise in power is not stable in the long term. They have gained a lot of economic power by being an excellent manufacturing center and attracting all sorts of business that was previously done elsewhere. This type of thing will jumpstart any economy, and it certainly has helped their economy quite a bit. But it's not going to rocket them past the rest of the world. They have managed to get a lot of the lower level work at the moment, but in order to become bigger, they need to work on the same level as the US. And right now, they aren't. Lots of things are made in China, but how many are designed there? Their resource, one used to great effect, is their huge labor pool and very low standard of living. Neither of these things will move their economy past where it is right now. They are certainly trying to improve their situation, but it's a lot more difficult than their previous accomplishments. I think the explosive growth we've seen out of China is not sustainable in the long term.

Other than that, remember that China has a lot of internal problems. Their country is still very poorly developed, their people are poor and most don't have a lot of skills, their system of government is not conducive to economic growth, and they can't produce enough of their own food and other resources. China certainly has the potential to become a major world power in this century, but I doubt we're going to see an imperialist China that we need to worry about. In fact, I'd be willing to bet we're pretty much done with that kind of behavior from major countries. Economics are far too international in scope for major countries to invade each other any more. China squaring off with the US would end very poorly for them before the first shots were fired. Much of what they make can be made elsewhere, even if it costs a little more. But there is only one US for them to sell to.
 

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Such a long and boring article:)...

Why again do we need to fight China?
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Just recall the sentence "America always needs an enemy"

for providing job opportunities for bomb-makers and decreasing laid-off;
satisifying their desire of envy, hatred and conqueroring;
proving how wise and brave some big pots are.............

And I just want to ask: who will be the next?

France, Canada or emerging new Europe?:laugh:

One of my friends told me that psychiatrists find some paranoias almost act normally except that they will close their assholes tightly when sleeping, and draft, revise and sum up excellent plans and patterns about asshole protecting when getting up.

Sadly pray for the poor writer.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: Chinadefender
Such a long and boring article:)...

Why again do we need to fight China?

why are you defending it? :p

jk, i agree... this is pure speculation.
 

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China is the biggest creditor of the United States and has an economical "nuclear option" (selling massive chunks of their government stocks). This would weaken the Dollar and inflict severe damage to the world economy. Of course China would suffer as well because its assets would lose value and it would lose most export markets.

The author tries to prove expansionism of rising nations with the examples of Germany and Japan. This are indeed extreme examples with very special ideological and historical background. Let's look at another "recent" rising nation, the USA. Are they expanding?
- No? We just disproved the author's argument (in its absoluteness).
- Yes? We just denied American exceptionalism, an implied perspective in this article.

Compared with the economic reality the deterministic idea of Chinese expansionism is just weak. There is always friction in the international relations of big powers, but full-scale war is just no option. I mean, we all know about the human rights situation in China and its threats towards Taiwan, but somehow the administrations of the other big powers still manage to sleep at night, right?
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: beyoku
Why again do we need to fight China?

We dont need to do anything. One day however China will be bigger than us in terms of economic power and military power. When that happens you can expect China to flex their muscles a bit in the region.

I can sum up our plan for China.

Low yield tactical nuclear weapons used on large troop and armor formations.


Great idea! You should lead our military.
 

Whitecloak

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The best strategic option available to the US would be to ally with India. This would ensure that China's Western & Southern flanks are no longer "protected".
 

arsbanned

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If a bunch of ragtag insurgents can kick our ass, how are we going to stack up against the Chinese?
All they need to do is watch as we defeat ourselves. Bush has already planted the seeds of failure for the U.S.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: beyoku
Why again do we need to fight China?

We dont need to do anything. One day however China will be bigger than us in terms of economic power and military power. When that happens you can expect China to flex their muscles a bit in the region.

I can sum up our plan for China.

Low yield tactical nuclear weapons used on large troop and armor formations.


Great idea! You should lead our military.

Who said it was my idea????



 

Chinadefender

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The best strategic option available to the US would be to ally with India. This would ensure that China's Western & Southern flanks are no longer "protected".
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You regarded India as occupied Japan.:gift:
 
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Originally posted by: whitecloak
The best strategic option available to the US would be to ally with India. This would ensure that China's Western & Southern flanks are no longer "protected".

:thumbsup:
 
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Originally posted by: Chinadefender
The best strategic option available to the US would be to ally with India. This would ensure that China's Western & Southern flanks are no longer "protected".
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You regarded India as occupied Japan.:gift:

I have no idea if that's true or not, but China has fought a war against India and they also have border disputes. :gift:
 

arsbanned

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Nice thought, but you're wrong wrong wrong. India and China have recently tightened their security cooperation and will stand united against the U.S. at every turn. Bush has actually done much to bring the former rivals together.
The first-ever strategic talks between India and China, which took place in New Delhi on Jan. 24-25, were the outcome of years of efforts by these two largest Asian nations "to take bilateral engagements into a long-term and strategic relationship." Chinese Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs Wu Dawei, who is also involved in the six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear program, and Indian Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran raised hopes that the two would begin to position their bilateral relations in the context of broader regional and global perspectives.

Annnnd:
While economic cooperation between the two nations had begun in earnest in the year 2000, the most encouraging recent development is in defense cooperation. In December 2004, India's then-Army chief, Gen. N.C. Vij, during his week-long visit to China, was given a warm welcome. Chinese state media reported that during his visit, China and India agreed to deepen defense cooperation: a sign of warming relations between the giant neighbors and former foes. Vij capped his visit to China, the first by an Indian Army chief in a decade, with talks with his counterpart, Liang Guanglie, and Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan. Cao told the Indian general that "China would like to step up its cooperation with India in the defense and security sector and advance the bilateral military ties to a higher level," Xinhua reported. China and India held their first-ever joint military exercises in March, and Vij said India may invite Chinese officers to observe its military drills.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3207china_india.html
So that's out. Next dubious idea? :D
 

tommywishbone

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To misquote that great american, Apollo Creed, "In a fight, China would drop the US like a bad habit." To misquote Fred G. Sanford, "China would break it's foot off in our Azz."

We would do well to avoid fighting China. Why the he!! would we fight China anyway?
 

feralkid

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Very worthwhile reading, pick up a copy of this week's Atlantic Monthly next time you're in Barnes and Noble.





Is it o.k. to pick one up elsewhere?

Are they paying you a percentage?

;)
 

Train

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Theres just one problem. China cant survive without US money. If the USA and China went to a state of war today, China's industry would come to a screeching halt.

Its not like in WWII where US's industry was easily refitted to make tanks, guns and planes. China's factories make clothes and tiny plastic pieces of junk, they cant convert over to make weapons very easily.

China's economy is nothing without the steady stream of Cash the American consumer provides them with.