Good pizza.

[QueBert]

Food Network did a show on Pizza, and the host was some Italian from NYC, the best pizza he said he ever had was from this place in Phoenix AZ, now NY has more overall good places to get pizza. But according to many this spot in AZ is beyond words, anyone know what I'm talking about? the showed the line it went outside, and was almost as bad as Disneyland.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: loki8481
I've never had home-made pizza that I really loved.

I think the number one reason people fail to make good homemade pizza is because they use the wrong kind of pan. Even most of the pans that are sold specifically for pizza suck. With a stone you can make pizza that's as good as NY style pizzaria, and with a pan with large holes (~1 cm) you can make a really good super-thin pizza. With a cookie sheet or a pan with tiny holes you can make crap.

At the pizza shop I used to work at, we put about $85 into every pan that the pizza was cooked on before dough ever touched it. However, it's not just the pan, the oven is also a factor. The vast majority of home ovens can't come close to doing what a large commercial oven can do. 550 degrees is probably a minimum temperature for pizza ovens. It's also the maximum for most home ovens. In my opinion, 550 degrees with air impinging or 700 degrees without it are "good enough" - and the home oven simply isn't "good enough."

 

[ponyo]

I've given up on making good pizza at home. I just don't have the same equipment and the ingredients to make it similar to what I made at the store.

I call shens on people saying homemade is the best tasting. People just don't have the equipment necessary to make great pizza at home.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: loki8481
I've never had home-made pizza that I really loved.

I think the number one reason people fail to make good homemade pizza is because they use the wrong kind of pan. Even most of the pans that are sold specifically for pizza suck. With a stone you can make pizza that's as good as NY style pizzaria, and with a pan with large holes (~1 cm) you can make a really good super-thin pizza. With a cookie sheet or a pan with tiny holes you can make crap.

At the pizza shop I used to work at, we put about $85 into every pan that the pizza was cooked on before dough ever touched it. However, it's not just the pan, the oven is also a factor. The vast majority of home ovens can't come close to doing what a large commercial oven can do. 550 degrees is probably a minimum temperature for pizza ovens. It's also the maximum for most home ovens. In my opinion, 550 degrees with air impinging or 700 degrees without it are "good enough" - and the home oven simply isn't "good enough."

What kind of pizza place did you work at? The places around here don't use pans, they put the pizza right on the bottom of the oven (like this)

One of the reasons I like to make my own pizza is because I can use better toppings. They use pepperoni, I use sopressata. They use ground up bacon or bacon bits, I use strips of bacon cut into smaller pieces. I put good salamis on my pizza. I use fresh-grated parmesan and romano cheese that I put on right after it comes out of the oven, so it melts but it doesn't dry out like if you put it on before you put it in the oven. You can make quite good pizza at home.

 

[AgentUnknown]

There are lines in NYC for pizza too. Anyone been to Joe's Pizza? Patsy's pizza? Two boots in the village? Some great places in NY.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cardiac

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good pizza only comes from New York. Seriously, it's the only place on the planet that you can get good pizza. You can get decent pizza from a number of places, hell, I make a decent pizza, but good pizza only comes from New York.

Had fresh NY pizza the few times I was there, and Chicago pizza is better. My opinion.... Geno's East or Lou Malnati's...Can't be beat.

Your opinion is wrong.

sig'd

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Anyone remember the name of the pizza place in Portland, Oregon that was featured on Anthony Bourdain's No Reservations: Pacific Northwest episode?

I think there are a few problems that are typical of homemade pizza. Wrong type of pan, as some stated earlier. Wrong type of dough would be another. Wrong type of oven would be yet another, especially when people are using a dough recipe that was made with an oven in mind that goes up to 500F+.

Apizza Scholls -- even NYC native Tony said it is some of the best pizza on earth.

Homemade pizza usually fails because the oven doesn't get hot enough. Even most restaurants, especially the big chains, don't use an adequate oven. Pizza NEEDS to be cooked in 600+F.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Anyone remember the name of the pizza place in Portland, Oregon that was featured on Anthony Bourdain's No Reservations: Pacific Northwest episode?

I think there are a few problems that are typical of homemade pizza. Wrong type of pan, as some stated earlier. Wrong type of dough would be another. Wrong type of oven would be yet another, especially when people are using a dough recipe that was made with an oven in mind that goes up to 500F+.

Apizza Scholls -- even NYC native Tony said it is some of the best pizza on earth.

Homemade pizza usually fails because the oven doesn't get hot enough. Even most restaurants, especially the big chains, don't use an adequate oven. Pizza NEEDS to be cooked in 600+F.

Ah, thanks for the link. I want to check them out when I am in Oregon in a few months. The exact time I can go depends on if I am stuck at the airport for a day waiting for a flight to the East Coast, or if I can get a connecting flight right after landing, in which case I will check it out when I get back to Oregon and stay for a couple of weeks.

Yes, oven temperature is critical when it comes to pizza. When I have my dream kitchen, I want to have a special oven for pizza.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cardiac

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good pizza only comes from New York. Seriously, it's the only place on the planet that you can get good pizza. You can get decent pizza from a number of places, hell, I make a decent pizza, but good pizza only comes from New York.

Had fresh NY pizza the few times I was there, and Chicago pizza is better. My opinion.... Geno's East or Lou Malnati's...Can't be beat.

Your opinion is wrong.

sig'd

Hah... second time that has happened. First was when I said "But don't go having sex with HIV-positive women because mugs said it's ok, that would just be stupid."

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
At the pizza shop I used to work at, we put about $85 into every pan that the pizza was cooked on before dough ever touched it. However, it's not just the pan, the oven is also a factor. The vast majority of home ovens can't come close to doing what a large commercial oven can do. 550 degrees is probably a minimum temperature for pizza ovens. It's also the maximum for most home ovens. In my opinion, 550 degrees with air impinging or 700 degrees without it are "good enough" - and the home oven simply isn't "good enough."

QFT

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good pizza only comes from New York. Seriously, it's the only place on the planet that you can get good pizza. You can get decent pizza from a number of places, hell, I make a decent pizza, but good pizza only comes from New York.

say wha?

personally i like chicago style deep dish pizza.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: loki8481
I've never had home-made pizza that I really loved.

I think the number one reason people fail to make good homemade pizza is because they use the wrong kind of pan. Even most of the pans that are sold specifically for pizza suck. With a stone you can make pizza that's as good as NY style pizzaria, and with a pan with large holes (~1 cm) you can make a really good super-thin pizza. With a cookie sheet or a pan with tiny holes you can make crap.

At the pizza shop I used to work at, we put about $85 into every pan that the pizza was cooked on before dough ever touched it. However, it's not just the pan, the oven is also a factor. The vast majority of home ovens can't come close to doing what a large commercial oven can do. 550 degrees is probably a minimum temperature for pizza ovens. It's also the maximum for most home ovens. In my opinion, 550 degrees with air impinging or 700 degrees without it are "good enough" - and the home oven simply isn't "good enough."

What kind of pizza place did you work at? The places around here don't use pans, they put the pizza right on the bottom of the oven (like this)

One of the reasons I like to make my own pizza is because I can use better toppings. They use pepperoni, I use sopressata. They use ground up bacon or bacon bits, I use strips of bacon cut into smaller pieces. I put good salamis on my pizza. I use fresh-grated parmesan and romano cheese that I put on right after it comes out of the oven, so it melts but it doesn't dry out like if you put it on before you put it in the oven. You can make quite good pizza at home.

Mmmm that sounds good.

While I haven't been to places like New York or Chicago to sample the restaurants there, I have to say the places around here are terrible. I get the confused look everytime I see people say only the boutique/mom and pop shops are worth getting pizza from, as the ones around here are actually worse than the chains in my experience (super greasy, more expensive although the chains aren't exactly cheap either, and just all around not that good). Pizza Hut is about the only decent pizza here (well we have an Old Chicago but they don't deliver and I don't know that you can do carryout there either), and they're ridiculously expensive (the 3 medium pizzas for $7 each somehow ended up being over $30) unless you use a coupon from their website and even then its just an ok deal.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: loki8481
I've never had home-made pizza that I really loved.

I think the number one reason people fail to make good homemade pizza is because they use the wrong kind of pan. Even most of the pans that are sold specifically for pizza suck. With a stone you can make pizza that's as good as NY style pizzaria, and with a pan with large holes (~1 cm) you can make a really good super-thin pizza. With a cookie sheet or a pan with tiny holes you can make crap.

At the pizza shop I used to work at, we put about $85 into every pan that the pizza was cooked on before dough ever touched it. However, it's not just the pan, the oven is also a factor. The vast majority of home ovens can't come close to doing what a large commercial oven can do. 550 degrees is probably a minimum temperature for pizza ovens. It's also the maximum for most home ovens. In my opinion, 550 degrees with air impinging or 700 degrees without it are "good enough" - and the home oven simply isn't "good enough."

What kind of pizza place did you work at? The places around here don't use pans, they put the pizza right on the bottom of the oven (like this)

One of the reasons I like to make my own pizza is because I can use better toppings. They use pepperoni, I use sopressata. They use ground up bacon or bacon bits, I use strips of bacon cut into smaller pieces. I put good salamis on my pizza. I use fresh-grated parmesan and romano cheese that I put on right after it comes out of the oven, so it melts but it doesn't dry out like if you put it on before you put it in the oven. You can make quite good pizza at home.

Mmmm that sounds good.

While I haven't been to places like New York or Chicago to sample the restaurants there, I have to say the places around here are terrible. I get the confused look everytime I see people say only the boutique/mom and pop shops are worth getting pizza from, as the ones around here are actually worse than the chains in my experience (super greasy, more expensive although the chains aren't exactly cheap either, and just all around not that good). Pizza Hut is about the only decent pizza here (well we have an Old Chicago but they don't deliver and I don't know that you can do carryout there either), and they're ridiculously expensive (the 3 medium pizzas for $7 each somehow ended up being over $30) unless you use a coupon from their website and even then its just an ok deal.

You're in Kansas...enough said. You can't get good pizza in Kansas.

Oh, and Pizza Hut is not good pizza. I hate to break it to ya but you've never had good pizza.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: oiprocs

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good pizza only comes from New York. Seriously, it's the only place on the planet that you can get good pizza. You can get decent pizza from a number of places, hell, I make a decent pizza, but good pizza only comes from New York.

In that case, you should check out Bronx Pizza in Hillcrest. I think it's on Washington or University, near the UCSD Medical Center. That place is the sh!t. I could go for some right now.

Jules you never saw my post. That place is good too.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
they sell pizza outside at the Costco you go to? that's kinda cool i guess. is it like a farmer's market Costco?

what the...? What kind of sad pathetic excuse for a costco do you go to?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Mmmm that sounds good.

While I haven't been to places like New York or Chicago to sample the restaurants there, I have to say the places around here are terrible. I get the confused look everytime I see people say only the boutique/mom and pop shops are worth getting pizza from, as the ones around here are actually worse than the chains in my experience (super greasy, more expensive although the chains aren't exactly cheap either, and just all around not that good). Pizza Hut is about the only decent pizza here (well we have an Old Chicago but they don't deliver and I don't know that you can do carryout there either), and they're ridiculously expensive (the 3 medium pizzas for $7 each somehow ended up being over $30) unless you use a coupon from their website and even then its just an ok deal.

You're in Kansas...enough said. You can't get good pizza in Kansas.

Oh, and Pizza Hut is not good pizza. I hate to break it to ya but you've never had good pizza.

So, its not possible to make your own good pizza? Not to mention, you've tasted every single pizza I've ever had anywhere? I hate statements like that, since you're just being a condescending ass. I freely admit that the pizza places around here suck, but its not like I need someone to tell me that.

 

[Pocatello]

Nothing like a good pizza. Now I'm hungry.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: oiprocs

Originally posted by: oiprocs

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good pizza only comes from New York. Seriously, it's the only place on the planet that you can get good pizza. You can get decent pizza from a number of places, hell, I make a decent pizza, but good pizza only comes from New York.

In that case, you should check out Bronx Pizza in Hillcrest. I think it's on Washington or University, near the UCSD Medical Center. That place is the sh!t. I could go for some right now.

Jules you never saw my post. That place is good too.

I saw your post but I've never eaten there so I can't comment on it. I've eaten at many many pizza places in CA though and NONE of them are as good as some of the pizza I've had in NY.

I'll check it out though if I'm ever in Hillcrest.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Mmmm that sounds good.

While I haven't been to places like New York or Chicago to sample the restaurants there, I have to say the places around here are terrible. I get the confused look everytime I see people say only the boutique/mom and pop shops are worth getting pizza from, as the ones around here are actually worse than the chains in my experience (super greasy, more expensive although the chains aren't exactly cheap either, and just all around not that good). Pizza Hut is about the only decent pizza here (well we have an Old Chicago but they don't deliver and I don't know that you can do carryout there either), and they're ridiculously expensive (the 3 medium pizzas for $7 each somehow ended up being over $30) unless you use a coupon from their website and even then its just an ok deal.

You're in Kansas...enough said. You can't get good pizza in Kansas.

Oh, and Pizza Hut is not good pizza. I hate to break it to ya but you've never had good pizza.

So, its not possible to make your own good pizza? Not to mention, you've tasted every single pizza I've ever had anywhere? I hate statements like that, since you're just being a condescending ass. I freely admit that the pizza places around here suck, but its not like I need someone to tell me that.

Lighten up dude. Yes, I was making a generalization. But, NY pizza is that good.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: meltdown75
they sell pizza outside at the Costco you go to? that's kinda cool i guess. is it like a farmer's market Costco?

what the...? What kind of sad pathetic excuse for a costco do you go to?

I think HappyPuppy meant "outside" of the area that you have to show your membership card to get into. It's all inside the building, but every Costco I've been to has an area that contains the receipt checkers, the food court, customer service and merchandise pickup that is separated from the rest of the store by the cash registers. You could get in and eat pizza without a card, but you can't go back to the food section and buy pizza there without a card. That's what I think he meant.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good pizza only comes from New York. Seriously, it's the only place on the planet that you can get good pizza. You can get decent pizza from a number of places, hell, I make a decent pizza, but good pizza only comes from New York.

I used to agree with this statement, until I had New Haven Connecticut pizza.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Lighten up dude. Yes, I was making a generalization. But, NY pizza is that good.

Hey, this is pizza, its serious business. Yeah, I over-reacted, just kinda the result of getting sick of people saying that other people have never had good food. As with anything, and in this case literally, its boils down to taste. I don't doubt the NY pizza being that good though.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Lighten up dude. Yes, I was making a generalization. But, NY pizza is that good.

Hey, this is pizza, its serious business. Yeah, I over-reacted, just kinda the result of getting sick of people saying that other people have never had good food. As with anything, and in this case literally, its boils down to taste. I don't doubt the NY pizza being that good though.

:beer:

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: meltdown75
they sell pizza outside at the Costco you go to? that's kinda cool i guess. is it like a farmer's market Costco?

what the...? What kind of sad pathetic excuse for a costco do you go to?

I think HappyPuppy meant "outside" of the area that you have to show your membership card to get into. It's all inside the building, but every Costco I've been to has an area that contains the receipt checkers, the food court, customer service and merchandise pickup that is separated from the rest of the store by the cash registers. You could get in and eat pizza without a card, but you can't go back to the food section and buy pizza there without a card. That's what I think he meant.

I agree. There are several CostCo's in Oregon (including the worlds largest). The Clackamas CostCo's food court is outside the entrance so anyone can order food without showing proof of membership.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: meltdown75
they sell pizza outside at the Costco you go to? that's kinda cool i guess. is it like a farmer's market Costco?

what the...? What kind of sad pathetic excuse for a costco do you go to?

I think HappyPuppy meant "outside" of the area that you have to show your membership card to get into. It's all inside the building, but every Costco I've been to has an area that contains the receipt checkers, the food court, customer service and merchandise pickup that is separated from the rest of the store by the cash registers. You could get in and eat pizza without a card, but you can't go back to the food section and buy pizza there without a card. That's what I think he meant.

I agree. There are several CostCo's in Oregon (including the worlds largest). The Clackamas CostCo's food court is outside the entrance so anyone can order food without showing proof of membership.

You don't need to show proof of membership at any Costco to order the food regardless where the food court is located. Anyone can eat at the food court whether they have a membership or not. Same applies to the pharmacy. You don't need a membership to buy the prescription drugs. Federal law prohibits it.