Good ole' afternoon System

Goosemaster

Lifer
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Good Morning,

I will be purchasing a PC for myself this afternoon, if not sooner, and would appreciate any criticisms as always.


MOBO/CASE: Shuttle XPC for Athlon 64 CPU with the nvidia nforce3 150 chipset, SN85G4V2 [SFF] 292.00
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+$175.00
RAM: Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3500 Level One$153.00
Video Card: ATI RADEON 9800 PRO Video Card, 256MB DDR$266.00
Harddrive: Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive$178.00
DVD: NEC 8X Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Drive, Model ND-2510A BLK $76.99
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS GAMER$111.00
Monitor: NEC/MITSUBISHI FP2141SB-BK 22" SuperBright Diamondtron CRT$629.00
External 3.5 enclosure: Speeze 3.5" USB 2.0/ IEEE 1394 External Enclosure, Model "780U2FL"$49.99

Price @ newegg : $1930


As I have stated before in other posts, I am giving my current shuttle XPC 41gv1 to my parents for certain reasons, and will need a new PC plus a monitor. This PC will serve as my HTPC, gaming rig, and school work PC, so it must be fast, stable, and of considerable quality.

Points:

SFF/Case:

I have decided to go with the SFF XPC series again because I enjoyed my previous shuttle so much. I truly love the quiet and unobtrusive operation that it provides in addition to its aesthetic excellence.

Video:

I chose the 9800pro because for the price it seems to offer just what I require. First, I require a high quality card just to provide great image quality on the 22?? monitor. In addition, I am looking for something that will allow for at least 1280x1024 gaming in games such as Far Cry and Doom3 (iffy, I know) along with my old favorites. I want it to be quite enjoyable so that the short time that I will spend gaming will be worthwhile.

Audio:

This still remains a problem with my proposed setup. I am sort of an audio buff, and am looking for a card that will provide me with a very enjoyable and accurate experience. I chose the Audigy2zs gamer because it seems to do this, while adding the benefit of better gaming support. I am very interested in using its DVD-audio capabilities of192/24bit x2 and 96/24bit x5. Audio will be routed to my Onkyo tx-sr600 receiver and out using my Mirage frx-5 speakers. It is not audiophile grade by any stretch of the imagination, but it allows for me to point of flaws in reproduction, and even more so, allows me to fully enjoy accurate and high-quality source material. For reference, it has toslink, coax digital/analog and 5.1 analog inputs.

The problem I am having is in imagining the setup. Previously, I was using an Nvidia Soundstorm setup via optical/toslink with great results for both DD/DTS pass through and PCM. The Creative card does not provide DD encoding, however, complicating the configuration. As I see it, I will need to
A) Run a minijack to single mono RCA adapter into the receiver for digital pass-through
B) Run 3 sets of stereo minijack to stereo RCA, of which 2 cables are monaural adapters for the center and sub, into the 5.1 analog inputs on the receiver. To make matters worse, my stereo will be about 15 feet(including corners and such) from the PC so my S-video, digital toslink, and 3 sets of RCA cables will have to accommodate that length to reach my TV and Reciever.

My receiver supports 192/24 on the front stereo channels and 86/24 on the rest, so this setup would seem to be an effective, albeit complex-to-configure option.
I have considered Chaintech and Terratec options, but unless someone proves otherwise, their shortcomings in games and their lack of software to take advantage of thigns such as DVDA leaves something to be desired. EMU is out of the question as I stated that I am an audio ?buff? and not an audio ? nut/audiophile .? :D



Storage: The only things left behind from my old PC are a PVR250MCE which someone is buying from me and a 120GB WDJB. I plan to use the aforementioned external enclosure via firewire to use this as both a storage and PVR-repository drive.
As for the main system drive, as I mentioned, it will be a beefy 74GB WD 10k S-ATA drive. I was more interested in the 36GB until I read that the 74GB is marginally faster.

RAM: Honestly, I haven?t kept up with the ?RAM SCENE? much lately so I chose the Muskin based on reviews and prices. Feel free to critique it.

DVD/Burner: As a HTPC this pc will undoubtedly feature a DVD drive. Since I will no longer have my trusty Toshiba 16x rom drive, I figured that @ $79, there is no reason NOT to get this drive :D I guess I can find a use for it?it WILL be in a PVR, right? :D ;)


Processor:I chose the 754 pin Athlon 64 3000+ because of the pin count that I am restricted to by the XPC, and secondly, because from what I read, it is overclockable if need be while still providing stellar performance. Looks like I will finally be able to play a wmvHD clip on my pc :beer:

monitor/display:Finally, I chose the NEC/MITSUBISHI FP2141SB-BK 22? because I feel that it will provide for the most satisfying experience. It is more than have the price of the ideal 21? LCD that I had in mind, and without the worry of refresh times, I should get a stellar gaming experience regardless. As this specific monitor, the super bright settings seem to work wonders on video content such as DVD?s, and when configured correctly, the monitor?s text-quality is supposedly superb, and only second to the $180024? SONY GDM.


TV CARD/OPTION Currently I am selling my pvr250mce to a friend who really needs it. I was considering the audigy2zs sound card in this one-pci-slot system when I stared researching the WinTV PVR2 USB2 external hardware encoder that is also supported by the popular PVR software, BeyondTV. Basically, at $140, it is on par with what I will pay for an internal solution, and according to reviews, performs almost identically to the internal version in terms of resource requirements, even over the USB2 bus.

In terms of overclicking, I am open to it, however, if this system by default performs well in games, I see no reason to stress it and create more heat and noise. :D

Basically this is the system I am planning to buy today so have fun critiquing it.

As always, thanks.

EDIT: I spilled some ink all over the paper ;)
 

chocoruacal

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Honestly...for $2000 I could build a kick a$$ HTPC and separate gaming machine, though I'm sure the monitor is a huge chunk of that. I don't like SFF pc's for my main desktop as it limits your ability to upgrade the mobo.

But otherwise...what kind of comments do you want to hear? You're buying top notch stuff, there's really not much else to say about it, other than have fun!
 

skace

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I love my Nforce2 but don't have any experience with the Nforce3 boards or A64 chips. If it is anything like my 2800XP setup, I'm sure it will be awesome and stable. The forceware drivers are really nice compared to dealing with the ol via 4-in-1s.

I'd get 1GB of memory instead of 512. I'm sure others might argue, but at this point in the game I think it would be smart to have 1GB.

I don't like soundblaster cards. But the Audigy2 doesn't have any competition in the EAX department. So yea, get it if you need EAX (basically any gaming).

Hopefully someone can provide more info as to whether this system will be good enough for HTPC work. My friend has a capture card and had some problems with dropped frames possibly due to his hard drive. And I know some other people with capture cards have significantly beefy systems. The raptor is a very fast drive though, great choice.

In other words, the only thing I'd change would be to buy another stick of memory.
 

JBT

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hmm 1900 bucks for that... seems kinda pricy and you don't even have a Gig of ram or a high end Video card.. I am just hoping the Monitor is extrememly expensive cause that system for 1900 seems like a Rip to me.
 

Goosemaster

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My past system used the PVR250MCE, did a ridiculous amount of transcoding WHILE recording and did so flawlessly with a 2.4Ghz XP and 512 RAM. If anything will be pusing the ystem, it will be the games and HD. :D

As for getting two systems, while I a gree that it has potent benefits, that still means that I would be dealling with two terminals, and two setups. Honestly, even using the KVM switch that I already have, I see that as too much work in the longrun to maintain. I want one set of favorties, one email client setup etc ;)

I will look into 1GB of RAM. From the AT review f D3, it lloks like 1GB will nto give me any noticable improvements at all in doom3. However, with large 2GB+ files traversing my system on a consistent basis, I see where that weill come in handy. I guess that RAM type is fine then?

Now to figure out what wireless couse nad keyboard to get....
 

Goosemaster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: JBT
hmm 1900 bucks for that... seems kinda pricy and you don't even have a Gig of ram or a high end Video card.. I am just hoping the Monitor is extrememly expensive cause that system for 1900 seems like a Rip to me.

How so?

The 9800pro is still a very nice car. Hell, maybe I can "XT" it. Feel freee to point out specific shotcomings and better options.

I will add the corressponding prices to my original post right now.
 

Goosemaster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: araczynski
great monitor.
i'd go for slighly cheaper ram and get 1024 of it.

Will. ANyone have any picks for the RAM?

As for the EXPENSIVE monitor, I was planning on gettingThis one, although the one I stated is AWFULLY tempting as it is technically superior and alfost flawless in review.
 

Goosemaster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Don't forget an OS.

It sounds like he's replacing an older sff... so it might not be a 'telling omission' in this case ;)

:D

Actually, WIndows is still on the 120GB HD that I have left. No way in hell I am giving that up. All my books and crap haven't even been backup up:(

<--actualy legal owner of winXP.
 

dmw16

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There is no reason for that expensive RAM. You really need a gig if you wanna play Far Cry or Doom3. So ditch the stuff you have and get 1gig of Corsair Value Select. NewEgg usually has it for about $80 per 512Mb stick.

Other than that, setup looks good, but I don't think you will be getting Far Cry @ 1280x1024, and you can forget about Doom3 at that res. Spend a little bit more cash and get a vanilla 6800.
 

JBT

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: JBT
hmm 1900 bucks for that... seems kinda pricy and you don't even have a Gig of ram or a high end Video card.. I am just hoping the Monitor is extrememly expensive cause that system for 1900 seems like a Rip to me.

How so?

The 9800pro is still a very nice car. Hell, maybe I can "XT" it. Feel freee to point out specific shotcomings and better options.

I will add the corressponding prices to my original post right now.

Okay with wth prices added it seem much more reasonable I didn't know the monitor was 629 bucks!!! Why not go LCD for that price?

I agree with the others ditch the expensive RAM and go for one of a value select series any will do Corsair, kingston, Mushkin and go for a gig you will notice a difference trust me. Also the 9800 with 256 MB is a waste either get the 128 MB version for aroudn 200 or jump up the 6800 Vanilla. The 6800 is a pretty good step up from the 9800 series and the 128MB version of the 9800's is a MUCH better buy as the extra RAM on those is almost a waste 1-5% performance gain on high resolutions where it is barely playable anyways.

What I would do get 1 GB of Cheaper RAM and geta 6800 Vanilla.

I understand the need for a AMAZING monitor. I mean what is the most used part of a computer by the end user? The monitor. So if you are willing to spend that much on a monitor go for it I'm sure you will be happy with it.
 

Goosemaster

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eVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Video Card, 128MB GDDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "128-A8-N343-AX" -RETAIL


Corsair Value Select (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 1G(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - OEM
 

skace

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Considering your additions, :thumbsup:

Also, that monitor will last you a long long time. Worth the money.
 

zerodeefex

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I don't know what exactly it is you are looking for in your RAM, but I picked up 2 512 sticks of the kingmax hardcore series DDR500 for $101 a pop at newegg. After about a week of burn in, I have them running 2-3-3 @ 210-215, have hit ~230 @ 2.5-3-3 and I have had them at stock voltage hit 275 @ 3-4-4 (stock timings). The RAM really is way more than I expected. I don't know if you need RAM like this, but I figured for future overclocks, etc, it would be nice.
 

JBT

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Originally posted by: zerodeefex
I don't know what exactly it is you are looking for in your RAM, but I picked up 2 512 sticks of the kingmax hardcore series DDR500 for $101 a pop at newegg. After about a week of burn in, I have them running 2-3-3 @ 210-215, have hit ~230 @ 2.5-3-3 and I have had them at stock voltage hit 275 @ 3-4-4 (stock timings). The RAM really is way more than I expected. I don't know if you need RAM like this, but I figured for future overclocks, etc, it would be nice.

This is the same RAM I have in my sig. Its great stuff. I run mine at 2.7vdimm
 

Tostada

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I think the general opinion around here will be that you should get cheaper RAM and a more expensive video card. With GF 6800's for $285, I it's absurd to pay $266 for a Radeon 9800. For an A64, you'd to just as well with $77 Mushkin, so you can go with a full gig for the same price (or just save $76).

I love that monitor. I have the pre-SuperBright version.

As far as wireless keyboards are concerned, there is not a single one that I've been satisfied with the performance of, although I hear great things about the Logitech Bluetooth MX desktop:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=23-126-139

It's supposed to work fine in BIOS, have a secure connectino once you get into Windows, and has no lag and a nice mouse charging station. But it's pricey...
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=23-126-139
 

Mik3y

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dont forget about heat issues you'll be getting from that video card. overclocking in an sff is also a no-no since temps will raise like no other.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: Mik3y
dont forget about heat issues you'll be getting from that video card. overclocking in an sff is also a no-no since temps will raise like no other.

I am not familar with the nforce3's overclocking capabilities, but I was just going to up the FSB assuing that it has multiplier dividers for the PCI and AGP buses. In that case the VERY VERY effective heat pipe system would easily take take of a lot of the heat.


What is theeffective range of that bluetooth setup? 30ft as standard? In addittion, since it operates @ 2.4ghz, what will the approximate result be now that we have 2.4ghz cordless phones and a 2.4ghz wireless network :confused:


This is my old setup, but it shows the dimensions of the room.

Recent shots that show my current setup
Another recent one
The setup is 5.1 now however.

The Ikea light-wood desk is now where the black table was in the first shot. That is where the computer will be. I will be routing the video (s-video) and the audio( minijack to stereo rca for analog and a single monural to single Rca ffor digital) all the way to the TV...$$$ :( Actually the S-video will cost only $15 for like $25 ft, but the minijack will probably have to be custom made.

I am taking a lot of medications right now so I apoligize for any inconsistencies.
 

jacktesterson

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since no overclocking extremely anyways, why not get some el cheapo 1GB PC3500 ram and screw the timings, and get a sonata case and gt 6800 all for about the same price as your stated pc?
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: AMDHardcoreFan
since no overclocking extremely anyways, why not get some el cheapo 1GB PC3500 ram and screw the timings, and get a sonata case and gt 6800 all for about the same price as your stated pc?

XPC is sort of a requirement. I am quite fond of its aesthetics and other benefits( low noise, good cooling etc)


The 1GB RAM will definitely be lowered. I have been re-reading the AT reviews and documents with the 6800GT and others invlovled, and am quite interested. $400 is a lot though.

Keep the recommendations coming.

Thanks.