Good news! Patriot Act II unveiled to expand access to privacy

fwtong

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This will show those terrorists! Instead of the terrorists taking away civil liberties, Bush is going to take them away. This is all for "national security." And remember, this is the Patriot Act II, so if you're a patriot, you'll support it. Anyone who opposes this legislation is un-American and should go to another country.

Patriot Act II
 

Engineer

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I was just going to post this!

As someone mentioned earlier...if Iraq wants a constitution, we should give them ours...we're not using it anyway!

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sMiLeYz

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I wonder what John Galt would say to "our great leader" taking away civil liberties, if he would stop bashing the French for just two minutes.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Engineer
I was just going to post this!

As someone mentioned earlier...if Iraq wants a constitution, we should give them ours...we're not using it anyway!

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Rofl, though in a sad kind of way.
 

User1001

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Originally posted by: fwtong
This will show those terrorists! Instead of the terrorists taking away civil liberties, Bush is going to take them away. This is all for "national security." And remember, this is the Patriot Act II, so if you're a patriot, you'll support it. Anyone who opposes this legislation is un-American and should go to another country.

Patriot Act II

The first one (that was passed) is bad too. But it only got one vote against it in the senate (Russ Feingold). Kind've tells you how political things are.
 

UltraQuiet

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I wonder if anyone here will read this one, since no one bothered to read the last one. Or maybe you are content to let EFF and the ACLU do your thinking for you?
 

User1001

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
I wonder if anyone here will read this one, since no one bothered to read the last one. Or maybe you are content to let EFF and the ACLU do your thinking for you?

I did read the first one, including the earlier versions. And it was very disturbing what the original had. And the one in effect was still disturbing. As for the ACLU, I rarely read what they say.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: User1001
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
I wonder if anyone here will read this one, since no one bothered to read the last one. Or maybe you are content to let EFF and the ACLU do your thinking for you?

I did read the first one, including the earlier versions. And it was very disturbing what the original had. And the one in effect was still disturbing. As for the ACLU, I rarely read what they say.

Here it is
PA. Let's discuss the "disturbing" parts. When we get done with this one, we can discuss the second one.
 

rockyct

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Originally posted by: User1001
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
I wonder if anyone here will read this one, since no one bothered to read the last one. Or maybe you are content to let EFF and the ACLU do your thinking for you?

I did read the first one, including the earlier versions. And it was very disturbing what the original had. And the one in effect was still disturbing. As for the ACLU, I rarely read what they say.

Here it is
PA. Let's discuss the "disturbing" parts. When we get done with this one, we can discuss the second one.

Well, this thread has a couple of links to how the PA affects people.
 

TheShiz

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Since by the Bush mentality the terrorists attacked america because they "hate our freedom," he figured he would start taking it away so they might leave us alone.
 

Pers

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I wonder what John Galt would say to "our great leader" taking away civil liberties, if he would stop bashing the French for just two minutes.

who cares what john galt has to say?

his daddy probably is making mad bank off one of the oil company's anyway. For all the john galts of the US...no one cares what you think.


seriously.
 
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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I wonder what John Galt would say to "our great leader" taking away civil liberties, if he would stop bashing the French for just two minutes.

Your posts are stupid, and I choose not to respond to them until you clean up your act. You use "great leader," then suggest I bash the French. Are you not going thread-to-thread bashing Bush? Please post some more examples on how I bash the French...Chirac, yes; the French in general, no. So I guess when someone talks about the policy decisions of "your guy," it is bashing, but anyone you don't agree with is fair game....leave me out of your posts, hypocrite.
 

Pers

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I wonder what John Galt would say to "our great leader" taking away civil liberties, if he would stop bashing the French for just two minutes.

Your posts are stupid, and I choose not to respond to them until you clean up your act. You use "great leader," then suggest I bash the French. Are you not going thread-to-thread bashing Bush? Please post some more examples on how I bash the French...Chirac, yes; the French in general, no. So I guess when someone talks about the policy decisions of "your guy," it is bashing, but anyone you don't agree with is fair game....leave me out of your posts, hypocrite.

talk about being a hypocrite. your posts are as stupid as they come. i'd say about the stupidest on these forums.
 

dmcowen674

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FBI invokes Patriot Act on Reporters in New York Times 22 yr old Hacker case:

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http://www.rcfp.org/news/2003/0926fbisen.html

Sep. 26, 2003 -- Several reporters have received letters from an FBI
special agent, demanding that the reporters hold onto any notes or
communications having to do with Adrian Lamo, the so-called "Homeless
Hacker." The letters, first revealed in a report by Wired News, state that
pending authorization, the FBI will issue subpoenas for the reporters'
records regarding conversations with Lamo.

Lamo, known as a drifter who exposed security holes in corporate America's
cyber networks, and then offered to help companies fix the problems free of
charge, turned himself in to federal authorities on Sept. 9. He has been
charged in a New York City federal court with computer fraud and unlawful
access.

Lamo gained recognition after he claimed that he hacked into The New York
Times intranet in 2002. The 22-year-old allegedly accessed a list of New
York Times Op-Ed contributors, which included the social security numbers
and home telephone numbers of former president Jimmy Carter, former
secretary of state James Baker, Warren Beatty, Robert Redford and James
Carville, among others.

FBI Agent Christine Howard states in the criminal complaint against Lamo
that she gained information about Lamo's New York Times break-in from
articles published by Securityfocus.com, Newsbytes (a Washington Post web
site), the Associated Press, MSNBC.com, ComputerWorld.com and the San
Francisco Weekly. Several reporters from these and other organizations have
received requests from the FBI to retain all records relating to their
contact with Lamo.

Howard, part of the Cybercrime Task Force in the New York field office,
told Wired News that "all reporters who spoke with Lamo" should expect
similar letters.

The Reporters Committee obtained a copy of one of the letters, which states
that the order for production of the reporters' notes will be required
pursuant to the Electronic Communications Transactional Records Act. The
letter warns: "you are requested not to disclose this request, or its
contents, to anyone."

The language of the Electronic Communications Transactional Records Act,
which was modified by the USA PATRIOT Act, states that it applies to any
"provider of electronic communication service," typically an Internet
Service Provider like AOL or Verizon. The act provides that the government
may, if it obtains a court order, require disclosure of wire or electronic
communications from such providers. It is unclear why the FBI has chosen to
include reporters or their employers in the category of "providers of
electronic communication."

The subpoenas, if issued, could face a number of hurdles, including
challenges under the First Amendment, the New York reporter's shield law,
and Department of Justice guidelines for obtaining journalists's records.

In May 2002, the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan withdrew a subpoena to
MSNBC that sought a reporter's notes and e-mail regarding conversations
with Lamo's hacking after realizing that federal prosecutors had failed to
follow its own internal guidelines.

According to Department of Justice guidelines, subpoenas to journalists
must be authorized by the Attorney General. Federal prosecutors must
exhaust other sources of information before issuing a subpoena to a
reporter and must negotiate with the reporter before issuing the subpoena,
unless negotiation would compromise the investigation.

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Zebo

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Originally posted by: Engineer
I was just going to post this!

As someone mentioned earlier...if Iraq wants a constitution, we should give them ours...we're not using it anyway!

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Props to Someone:D