Good news Cancer cure coverup

[Capt Caveman]

I haven't told her to stop taking her medicine, nor do I plan to. She obviously has no reason to doubt the doctors. She is convinced she is still alive because of the doctors. I just know the doctors drug companies make a lot of money off people like her. No cure, instead just endless treatments that they claim are needed.

Stop posting. Your ignorance is scary.

 

[DCal430]

Stop posting. Your ignorance is scary.

Drug companies give doctors a kick back for each prescription. This well known.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Drug companies give doctors a kick back for each prescription. This well known.

Maybe in the past, but not anymore.

Again, stop posting. You're clueless.

 

[rockyct]

Drug companies give doctors a kick back for each prescription. This well known.

They get a shit load of free crap and samples from the drug companies but they don't get anything worth all that much let alone money. A catered lunch is pretty much the max.

 

[OverVolt]

In terms of one drug over another there is quite a bit of bullshitting. Some drugs I just don't like. Chantix has alot of side effects for what it does. Many "new age" drugs seem worse than their predecessors. Benedryl is an amazing antihistamine that has been around for a long time. Their derivatives no so much.

Cancer is inevitable your cells can only divide so many times before they mutate and make errors. Germ line cells get away with immortality because they are selected upon. Mutated sperms die quickly, so they can have telomerase activity. Somatic cells not so much, no selection is working on them and they just accumulate errors.

I would even theorize that having major surgery, severe trauma, over-exercising (not much of a problem for many 😛) and anything else that damages your cells that spurs them to divide and heal causes cancer. Probably getting sick alot damages your cells too.

People forget about the time they were 27y/o got sick 8 times in a row binge drank 18 beers, got into a car accident and had a 2x4 surgically removed from their arm. Lots of cell damage that you pay for later. There is a finite number of times your cells can divide & heal.

 

[Turbonium]

I didn't even look at OP's link, but yea, cancer is complex, as is biology. Just read up on it, and you will see why cancer is difficult to treat, let alone cure. There's still a LOT we don't know about how cells function.

In my experience, anyone mentioning these cures and such is uneducated in the field.

I did my undergrad in biology btw. I am by no means an expert, but I know enough to call bullshit on these "cures".

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Available scientific evidence does not support the claim that the pH inside a cancer cell is any different than that of a normal cell or that cancer cells are more susceptible to toxic effects of high pH. Thus, the underlying principle behind high pH therapy remains unproven. Although it was observed that certain regions with low rates of cancer had a high concentration of alkali metals in the soil, it has never been shown that this caused the lower cancer rates. Differences in many other risk factors or protective factors are likely to be involved. It has not been shown that cesium can prevent or treat cancer.

Studies conducted in several experimental tumor models in the 1980s found that the use of cesium or cesium chloride led to decreased tumor growth and fewer deaths in certain mice with cancerous tumors, such as those with sarcoma or breast cancer. In animal studies, giving cesium over the long term caused serious blood and neuromuscular side effects and even death.

Animal and laboratory studies may show a substance has helpful effects, but further studies are necessary to learn whether the results apply to humans. So far, there is no reliable clinical evidence available to support claims from proponents of this treatment.

I will just leave this here...

 

[AlienCraft]

This scares me. Moons posts are always so out there I never read them anymore.

But damn he hit the nail on the head with this one.

First time for everything.

Actually happens more often than you're aware of. 😎

 

[AlienCraft]

They get a shit load of free crap and samples from the drug companies but they don't get anything worth all that much let alone money. A catered lunch is pretty much the max.

Lunch is on Dr.Drew 😵

$275,000.00 buys a big lunch. :whiste:

 

[Sulaco]

doctors are full of shit. they know nothing. with Google and WebMD, you can diagnose 99% of your own symptoms. what do you think most doctors do when you go for a visit? after an assistant takes your vitals, symptoms, and information, the doctor is on webmd looking it up while you're in the waiting room. legalize mj and let people cure their own cancer.

lol you are such a massive dumbass, it's astonishing.

 

[DCal430]

They get a shit load of free crap and samples from the drug companies but they don't get anything worth all that much let alone money. A catered lunch is pretty much the max.

You sure, from what I heard if a drug company gets $100 in profit from a patient who takes a Chemo Drug, the doctor gets 10 to 20% of that as a kick back. $100 is just an example.

How can you be so sure this isn't happening, their are no laws or rules against this type of thing.

 

[Capt Caveman]

You sure, from what I heard if a drug company gets $100 in profit from a patient who takes a Chemo Drug, the doctor gets 10 to 20% of that as a kick back. $100 is just an example.

How can you be so sure this isn't happening, their are no laws or rules against this type of thing.

There are rules against it, so stop making up shit and stop posting on things you don't know about.

 

[rockyct]

Lunch is on Dr.Drew 😵

$275,000.00 buys a big lunch. :whiste:

He was paid to go around and talk about the drug. Very few doctors that see patients do that. Ask your doctor if he gives talks promoting drugs if you're paranoid. This is pretty shady but the only illegal thing here was promoting off label drug use.

You sure, from what I heard if a drug company gets $100 in profit from a patient who takes a Chemo Drug, the doctor gets 10 to 20% of that as a kick back. $100 is just an example.

How can you be so sure this isn't happening, their are no laws or rules against this type of thing.

First off, yes, there are laws. There are quite a few laws that prohibit gifts, kickbacks, referral payments, etc. for doctors.

My dad is a practicing physician and he sees office patients as well as ICU patients. He's explained how a lot has changed over the years. Way back, a drug company could pay for you and your spouse to go a weekend "seminar" in Florida or wherever. It wasn't a reward exactly, but it was definitely shady. He's said that there are very strict laws now about what gifts a doctor can receive from a drug company.

Drug reps go around talking about their drug handing out tons of crap like note pads, pens, desk gadgets, etc. They also will have somewhat nicely catered meals while they give a talk. The purpose is really to get the name of the drug in the doctor's mind and a personal connection to it. They also will give a doctor a large amount of samples of the often expensive drug, sometimes worth $5 or more a dose. This is a way to get the doctor to go "here's a couple doses to get you started, and here's your prescription for it."

In general that one of the bigger factors in what drug he prescribes is if a patient comes in and wants a particular name brand drug. If there are multiple drugs that have a similar results on treating a condition and if a person mentions a certain name brand drug where there is no generic available, he'll just write the prescription for that drug. If all the drugs are about the same, a patient can influence what drug they get. The drugs he prescribes are not pain killers or habitual forming drugs of course.

He's told me about some more darker things about practicing medicine but nothing really about drug companies buying doctors. They influence doctors by getting their name out, much like why they advertise to the public now (that used to be banned not so long ago).

 

[pelov]

 

[sdifox]

Let's just suppose op's solution works.

You don't think some multi national drug company will try to patent it right away?

OP I suggest you patent it and make trillions.

 

[surfsatwerk]

You sure, from what I heard if a drug company gets $100 in profit from a patient who takes a Chemo Drug, the doctor gets 10 to 20% of that as a kick back. $100 is just an example.

How can you be so sure this isn't happening, their are no laws or rules against this type of thing.

You are dumber than this. ^^

 

[Gibsons]

Cancer is inevitable your cells can only divide so many times before they mutate and make errors.

There are mutations every time a cell divides.

Germ line cells get away with immortality because they are selected upon.

Wat. Every cell is "selected upon" in some sense. The selection is imperfect however.

Mutated sperms die quickly, so they can have telomerase activity.

Lots of mutated sperm cells live and go on to help produce a new organism. Happens all the time. So this selection is imperfect as well.

Somatic cells not so much, no selection is working on them and they just accumulate errors.

Except for the ones that are killed. So yes, there is a selection working on them.

I would even theorize that having major surgery, severe trauma, over-exercising (not much of a problem for many 😛) and anything else that damages your cells that spurs them to divide and heal causes cancer. Probably getting sick alot damages your cells too.

Chronic inflammation and injury can cause cancer, but it's not a big player. Single traumatic injuries, maybe there are cases out there, but it's going to be pretty close to background.

People forget about the time they were 27y/o got sick 8 times in a row binge drank 18 beers, got into a car accident and had a 2x4 surgically removed from their arm. Lots of cell damage that you pay for later.

Or not.

There is a finite number of times your cells can divide & heal.

divide - true, for normal cells.

heal - As long as the genome is okay, everything else is replaceable (possible exception of mitochondria). It's like saying there's a finite number of times your car can survive a flat tire. (For the pedantic: Technically true because there's a finite number of replacement tires) It's a fact that cells can take massive, stunning amounts of damage and recover to the point where they maintain all function and capability of an undamaged cell. That is, they recover to a completely normal phenotype by any way we can observe. Again, as long as the genome is okay.

 

[pelov]

divide - true, for normal cells.

heal - As long as the genome is okay, everything else is replaceable (possible exception of mitochondria). It's like saying there's a finite number of times your car can survive a flat tire. (For the pedantic: Technically true because there's a finite number of replacement tires) It's a fact that cells can take massive, stunning amounts of damage and recover to the point where they maintain all function and capability of an undamaged cell. That is, they recover to a completely normal phenotype by any way we can observe. Again, as long as the genome is okay.

You're referring to Hayflick's limit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayflick_limit

It's around 50, but that varies depending on the cell variety.

It also happens to be a major player in aging, again, due to telomere shortening. I'm not sure of any studies currently studying increased telomere cap length and it's impact on the Hayflick limit, but it would be an interesting read.

As to the OP, I feel no sympathy nor pity for you. There are millions of people on this planet who would give their right arm to receive modern medical treatment for cancers and other serious health ailments, while you, somebody who appears to be at least right of mind (presumably, or I could be mistaken), have chosen to go the path of conspiracy theories and idiocy. So be it. Don't expect me to empathize, sympathize nor understand it, and I'm sure many others here feel much the same way.

People are free to do as they wish, chief among them the right to act in irrational terms. So long as you're not spreading this FUD to other people with medical issues in an attempt to justify your own idiotic decision, I don't give 2 shits.

 

[Gibsons]

You're referring to Hayflick's limit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayflick_limit

It's around 50, but that varies depending on the cell variety.

It also happens to be a major player in aging, again, due to telomere shortening. I'm not sure of any studies currently studying increased telomere cap length and it's impact on the Hayflick limit, but it would be an interesting read.

Overexpression of telomerase causes cells to become immortal. Maybe not all cells, but in general.

 

[pelov]

Overexpression of telomerase causes cells to become immortal. Maybe not all cells, but in general.

Yep. There are potential downsides to this as well, as with any other overexpression in coding. Off the top of my head, it can potentially cause cancer 😛

It seems the article already mentions that

Some experiments have raised questions on whether telomerase can be used as an anti-aging therapy, namely, the fact that mice with elevated levels of telomerase have higher cancer incidence and hence do not live longer

As with biology, there is never a magic bullet. Dealing with living beings always in a state of flux guarantees that nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

 

[sdifox]

Yep. There are potential downsides to this as well, as with any other overexpression in coding. Off the top of my head, it can potentially cause cancer 😛

It seems the article already mentions that


As with biology, there is never a magic bullet. Dealing with living beings always in a state of flux guarantees that nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

Me knows nothing about medicine, just so we are clear on that.

Having said that, it seems to me it is possible that cancer is a genetic purity defense mechanism. Your DNA varies too far from the original and you are killed off.

 

[BUTCH1]

lol you are such a massive dumbass, it's astonishing.

Agree, yea my doctor has a "secret" Google room, after he examines me he leaves for his "secret" room and comes back with a diagnoses...LOLOLOLOL how can anyone be this stupid, it's epic, this guy makes fleabag look like Einstein...

OP, stay away from this crap, I hope you beat this but the stuff there pushing is just pathetically making $$ off sick desperate people, anyone sleazebag who does this crap deserves a bullet in the head IMO..

 

[pelov]

Having said that, it seems to me it is possible that cancer is a genetic purity defense mechanism. Your DNA varies too far from the original and you are killed off.

It's difficult to discuss the theoretical, and in this case, highly philosophical aspects of biology.

DNA varying too much doesn't necessarily mean you'll likely die, though there are certain barriers which can't be crossed; heart defects, microcephaly, etc. Ultimately, it depends on how you define "too far." Keep in mind variations are very purposeful and help in adapting to ever-changing surroundings. Without evolution and genetic change, organisms wouldn't ever survive and subsequently we wouldn't be here today. That genetic variation and mutation that leads to cancers and a myriad of diseases also allowed for language and a big brain and bipedal movement.

In one way, it's an adverse effect of something very natural. Alternatively, you can state that it's also an extension of the survival of the fittest theory. The only clear answer is that it's both.