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Well, Cancer is an interesting disease.

There is no 1 single cure for all, as they usually originate from complications and mutations in cell's DNA, that replicate over time causing tumors and such to grow.

What causes that mutation, is hard to say though many links have been found with many different chemicals, that may give the push.

(FYI everyone has cell's that misfire on replication and create DNA mutated cells, hence why our skin hardens after we get injured at a spot. It is when it misfires, into a bad mutation and then is able to replicate fast enough before the body can react and remove it.)

Really though, there is no "magic cure" as in take a pill and it will be gone! There is chemo and other radiation techniques that kill the mutated cells. That can work (not guarenteed) and it only works for some cancer types.

Anyone who believes a magic cure has been found and covered up, when we have so much funding globally with over 10 nations looking into this, is very disillusional of the world around them.
 
I notice that liberals conservatives and libertarians have posted here against the wisdom of your choice of treatment. Just the other day I saw a study of the psychological factors that affect people's risk assessment when they get a feeling about something. One woman kept betting 8 on a roulette wheel and couldn't stop because she just had a feeling and was sure if she could just focus better on the ball she could make it go into the right pocket. You must surely have been informed countless times in your life that you are crazy, but you don't seem to believe it. And now your irrationality is threatening your life. Same thing happened to Steve Jobs. You can't trust and likely something very bad happened to you as a child to cause that. Doctors are going to make plenty of money without you. In short, you are not the best advocate for yourself because of the irrationality of your thinking. You need somebody to help you.

This is the most intelligent post I've seen in ATOT in a long time. Moon, I know you're way the fuck out there at times, but when you want to make a clear, rational point, my money's on you being able to do it.

OP, you should listen to this guy.
 
This is the most intelligent post I've seen in ATOT in a long time. Moon, I know you're way the fuck out there at times, but when you want to make a clear, rational point, my money's on you being able to do it.

OP, you should listen to this guy.


This scares me. Moons posts are always so out there I never read them anymore.

But damn he hit the nail on the head with this one.

First time for everything.
 
My mother was diagnosed with uterin cancer about 8 months ago. She has had radiation, surgery and is doing chemotherapy now.
Besides complications from the radiation (it fried her ureters, and she had to have a nephrostemy) the doctor says the tumors are shrinking and the chemo is working.

Now it is just a matter of trying to keep her from getting recurring kidney infections so that she can continue with the chemo on schedule.

If you do have cancer Nemesis do the treatment and listen to your doctor.

You will live longer.

Sorry to hear. Get your mom some weed. It helps with the chemo side effects and also helps shrink the tumors.

While cannabinoids in marijuana might not be a miracle 'cure' for cancer, it does help prevent it. AND the goddamn government his impeding research. It's not a shadowy conspiracy, but they sure as hell and opening the money spigots for research on MJ related cancer treatment, and the FDA, DEA, and NIDA all have veto points over MJ research.
 
Sorry to hear. Get your mom some weed. It helps with the chemo side effects and also helps shrink the tumors.

While cannabinoids in marijuana might not be a miracle 'cure' for cancer, it does help prevent it. AND the goddamn government his impeding research. It's not a shadowy conspiracy, but they sure as hell and opening the money spigots for research on MJ related cancer treatment, and the FDA, DEA, and NIDA all have veto points over MJ research.

it is THE miracle cure.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2271947
 
Sorry to hear. Get your mom some weed. It helps with the chemo side effects and also helps shrink the tumors.

While cannabinoids in marijuana might not be a miracle 'cure' for cancer, it does help prevent it. AND the goddamn government his impeding research. It's not a shadowy conspiracy, but they sure as hell and opening the money spigots for research on MJ related cancer treatment, and the FDA, DEA, and NIDA all have veto points over MJ research.


I doubt it prevents it. As any/all chemicals not naturally found in teh body can affect the way cells replication process, causing possible DNA mutations, causing them to manifest overtime into a tumor.

However, it is a VERY good way to help with the side effects of the chemo treatment that can get rid of cancer.

It is also good at sootheing and many other medical benefits.

However, preventing cancer is not possible, per se. As everyday thousands of our cells in each of us mutate slightly when replicating as the DNA chain is read incorrectly once in a while. Bad mutations normally are killed off by the body. Good ones "theorectically" cause evolution. (though the body still tries killing it off)

Some chemicals have just been shown to push or "help" induce more mutations than others. While it is possible cannabis type chemicals could slightly lower the mutation rate, it canot prevent it.
 
Their is big big money in the cancer industry.

I have a coworker whose doctors have her convinced she needs to take a daily low dose chemo drug for an indefinite period, likely for the rest of her life. She has been on the drug for close to two years now. Doctors have her thinking with the drug she could live for many more years, even perhaps a near normal life expectancy, and if she stops her life expectancy will shrink greatly.

Personally I think she should try to stop taking the drug, and see what happens. She would save money, and the drug it self causes her mild nausea every day, and it weakens her immune system slightly. Doctors could be wrong about her need for this drug.

I hope for your friend's sake, she continues to listen to her doctors instead of some dude with no medical training who thinks he knows what's best.
 
I doubt it prevents it. As any/all chemicals not naturally found in teh body can affect the way cells replication process, causing possible DNA mutations, causing them to manifest overtime into a tumor.

However, it is a VERY good way to help with the side effects of the chemo treatment that can get rid of cancer.

It is also good at sootheing and many other medical benefits.

However, preventing cancer is not possible, per se. As everyday thousands of our cells in each of us mutate slightly when replicating as the DNA chain is read incorrectly once in a while. Bad mutations normally are killed off by the body. Good ones "theorectically" cause evolution. (though the body still tries killing it off)

Some chemicals have just been shown to push or "help" induce more mutations than others. While it is possible cannabis type chemicals could slightly lower the mutation rate, it canot prevent it.

Uhm... the endocannabinoid system somehow modulates cell-signalling pathways. Cannabinoids actually inhibit tumor growth. There is a growing body of scientific evidence (unlike the idiot op's links) to support this.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/c...5096aebd1f58723608f79c97&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

http://apps.webofknowledge.com/Inbo...Auth=Highwire&customersID=Highwire&Func=Frame

Abstract: Cannabinoids - the active components of Cannabis sativa and their derivatives - exert palliative effects in cancer patients by preventing nausea, vomiting and pain and by stimulating appetite. In addition, these compounds have been shown to inhibit the growth of tumour cells in culture and animal models by modulating key cell-signalling pathways. Cannabinoids are usually well tolerated, and do not produce the generalized toxic effects of conventional chemotherapies. So, could cannabinoids be used to develop new anticancer therapies?
 
Uhm... the endocannabinoid system somehow modulates cell-signalling pathways. Cannabinoids actually inhibit tumor growth. There is a growing body of scientific evidence (unlike the idiot op's links) to support this.

Even disregarding the notion that cannabinoids do anything to treat cancer (since then you need to address whether normal methods of "delivery" actually get a high enough dose into the bloodstream, or to the necessary areas at all), marijuana for medicinal purposes has huge benefits.

As someone who has seen what cancer does to someone, I really wish it was even suggested 15 years ago for my mom. The fact that it causes people to ease up a bit mentally and also to eat a lot more is extremely beneficial. Cancer patients tend not to eat because they CANT, and anything that helps with that is huge. I happen to think that whatever the white shit in the IV bag is, it's not delivering the same whole nutritional content as actual food would.

While I think it's worth doing the research, I really do think there's a lot to the argument that what marijuana can provide theraputically right now, for pain, for appetite, all that little shit that doctors do care a little less about, is enough to use it for treatment NOW.
 
Wat.

Mj suppresses nausea, the same effect as getting high and craving whitecastle which normally gives you terrible stomach pain lmao.

Mj is given to people getting chemo because of the intense nausea and sense of un-well being. Chemo is basically targeted toxins. Thats why it makes you sick, reduces your immune system, lose your hair, etc.

They generally mess with the cell cycle, poisoning your cells *just* enough to suppress their growth. The cancer cells, lacking any control on growth will try to grow and die because of it.

Cutting down your cell growth means: hair falls out, stomach lining stops repairing, skin stops replacing, cuts won't heal, kidneys start to fail, can't build new WBC's and RBC's.

If you can at least eat, it makes you stronger so you can handle more chemo to kill the cancer cells. Thats what MJ does.

Anyway I owe my quality of life to docs just once, so they might be full of shit for everyday stuff but they are useful.

There is far more to Marijuana (specifically, cannabinoids like THC and Cannabidiol, the latter most likely being more pharmacologically important) than simply serving as an antiemetic compound. It's a very useful property for those currently undergoing cancer treatment, and at that point other properties of marijuana won't really be a factor anyhow.

Numerous studies have already shown very statistically-significant tumor suppression and tumor-shrinkage results when cannabinoids are consumed. I do believe THC specifically (could have a different cannabinoid) is technically a chemical with anti-tumor properties. That is to say, it is not a tumor killer, but it has beneficial properties that can be demonstrated; this is in contrast to nicotine, that, while not a carcinogen by medical definition, has been demonstrated to have pro-tumor properties (which means it doesn't cause tumors to grow, but makes it more favorable for tumor growth in certain cells). THC, or cannabinoids in general, encourage damaged cells to undergo apoptosis.


Sorry to hear. Get your mom some weed. It helps with the chemo side effects and also helps shrink the tumors.

While cannabinoids in marijuana might not be a miracle 'cure' for cancer, it does help prevent it. AND the goddamn government his impeding research. It's not a shadowy conspiracy, but they sure as hell and opening the money spigots for research on MJ related cancer treatment, and the FDA, DEA, and NIDA all have veto points over MJ research.


Smoking weed won't magically make the cancer go away. Cannabinoids ARE a huge area that needs tons of $$$ for research. Of course, the NIH still would rather fund showing negative effects of marijuana.

But yeah, the REAL alternative approach to cancer should be to follow your doctor's advice and also vaporize a bunch of weed.

That's the thing: marijuana isn't the miracle cure for those currently diagnosed with cancer. It may possibly aid other anti-cancer treatments, speeding up results, but at that point the cancer has strong roots.

But, for those not saddled with cancer already, it does have the potential to help prevent tumor growth and may help the body kill off certain tumors that have begun to grow. One particular study I read specifically stated it only could help with tumors in tissues heavily influenced/controlled by the major hormones. That did include some/most of the worst offenders in terms of cancer types, however.

Even ignoring the cancer side of treatment, it has many wonderful pharmacological properties. Given the right strains of marijuana, just taking a toke or two when necessary will provide benefits but reduce potential "side-effects" like the associated high. This is consistent with many other heavily-abused pharms.
Take that toke or two (through a vaporizer), and the right combination of CB1/CB2 receptor activity will produce beneficial anti-inflammation and pain-mediating effects. There are also beneficial immune system gains that can be brought about through those receptors.

There is a wealth of information that needs further study to truly understand how we can best mediate these benefits, control any potential negative side-effects, and how to best bring about any benefits to be had (it may be through synthetics, as opposed to any natural marijuana strain).
 
Some success in the laboratory/animals doesn't mean squat til it's tested on people.


Not only that.

But you would then have to take people who you know for a fact will get a tumor in the future, and have them take cannabis, in whatever form we want to test.

Its the funny thing about science. Unless you can seperate everything into constants but 1 variable. It is not a reliable study, and can only show correlation. Not cause and effect.

Theoretically possible? Yes.

Is it? We don't know. However it is doubtful, because even though there is many benefits for taking it, especially for medical purposes, it is still a foreign chemical in the body.
 
Not only that.

But you would then have to take people who you know for a fact will get a tumor in the future, and have them take cannabis, in whatever form we want to test.

Its the funny thing about science. Unless you can seperate everything into constants but 1 variable. It is not a reliable study, and can only show correlation. Not cause and effect.

Theoretically possible? Yes.

Is it? We don't know. However it is doubtful, because even though there is many benefits for taking it, especially for medical purposes, it is still a foreign chemical in the body.

Endogenous Cannabinoid System
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...d=108938&md5=f07bf57037c03c3dbf141d247f668070

en·dog·e·nous
adjective \en-ˈdä-jə-nəs\
Definition of ENDOGENOUS
1
: growing or produced by growth from deep tissue <endogenous plant roots>
2
a : caused by factors inside the organism or system <suffered from endogenous depression> <endogenous business cycles>
b : produced or synthesized within the organism or system <an endogenous hormone>
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
 
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Endogenous Cannabinoid System

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adjective \en-&#712;dä-j&#601;-n&#601;s\
Definition of ENDOGENOUS
1
: growing or produced by growth from deep tissue <endogenous plant roots>
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a : caused by factors inside the organism or system <suffered from endogenous depression> <endogenous business cycles>
b : produced or synthesized within the organism or system <an endogenous hormone>

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Two things:

First, we'll ignore the concept of foreign chemicals, considering there are about a billion "foreign chemicals" that we either consume daily or otherwise utilize for treatment of maladies.

Second, nothing in marijuana itself is specifically endogenous. But, you are somewhere correct with what you are sort-of implying here: we have an endogenous cannabinoid receptor system (CB1 receptors, mainly located in the CNS; CB2 receptors, mainly located in the peripheral [and enteric] nervous systems, iirc). We also have endogenous cannabinoids, that actually perform some of the same functions that "foreign" cannabinoids provide, but they are on a much smaller scale (i.e. functionally "weaker").

The ones provided by the likes of marijuana produce their effects due to interaction with the endogenous cannabinoid receptors. The effects are magnified, of course, and are modulated based on specificity of cannabinoid receptor activation; i.e., a particular cannabinoid will "prefer" to attach to CB1 receptors more than CB2 receptors, and another will activate CB2 receptors only, and another will activate both equally. The combination of multiple ones, and how much of one cannabinoid is present in comparison with another, is what produces different effects produced by the various breeds/strains of marijuana available today. It was also what was studied, to a degree, with the synthetic cannabinoids produced at Clemson University (which later fueled the synthetic fake-weed market, like Spice, K2, as well as the pure chemical powders if bought online).
 
There is far more to Marijuana (specifically, cannabinoids like THC and Cannabidiol, the latter most likely being more pharmacologically important) than simply serving as an antiemetic compound. It's a very useful property for those currently undergoing cancer treatment, and at that point other properties of marijuana won't really be a factor anyhow.

Was not aware of this 😛 Must be fairly new.
 
This is the most intelligent post I've seen in ATOT in a long time. Moon, I know you're way the fuck out there at times, but when you want to make a clear, rational point, my money's on you being able to do it.

OP, you should listen to this guy.

This scares me. Moons posts are always so out there I never read them anymore.

But damn he hit the nail on the head with this one.

First time for everything.
It's just because he said something that you wanted to hear, so you didn't automatically reject it. If Nemesis said something you agree with, all of a sudden his post would seem like divine word of God.
 
Anyways, Nemesis I am sorry to hear you have cancer. I give you a hard time sometimes but it's mostly because I want to help you. I hope you are able to conquer it, don't worry about earthquakes and all that shit just turn it up to 11. When you are done with that go see your doctor and do what he tells you before it is too late. Your family does not want to watch you suffer and trust me it's not for a worthy cause.
 
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Check earthclinic.com for some cancer cures. Maybe some of them will help. I wish you the best. I really do!!
 
You might as well just take a big fat sugar pill while you're at it. It will be just as effective.

This is what pisses me off about people. They tout all of this stupid shit as a first-line defense and then say "well, people died so that just proves that modern medicine sucks". Sorry, but that's just a moronic statement, far more people would die of cancer without modern medicine.

I saw a nutball at work buy into all of the homeopathic shit. He did the whole low-carb diet, higher body temps and everything else after he had colon cancer removed. A year later it came back except worse. Because he delayed his real treatment he has a bag the rest of his life.

My father was diagnosed with Stage 3 esophageal cancer in April. After 6 weeks of chemo/radiation he was almost able to have an esophectomy but they detected metastatic cancer the day of the surgery and now he can't have anything, he's stage 4 now. Did the chemo/rad do this? Absolutely not, only a fool would think that.
 
After all Moonie is correct in his mind that I am crazy and belong in a looney bin
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This is what pisses me off about people. They tout all of this stupid shit as a first-line defense and then say "well, people died so that just proves that modern medicine sucks". Sorry, but that's just a moronic statement, far more people would die of cancer without modern medicine.

I saw a nutball at work buy into all of the homeopathic shit. He did the whole low-carb diet, higher body temps and everything else after he had colon cancer removed. A year later it came back except worse. Because he delayed his real treatment he has a bag the rest of his life.

My father was diagnosed with Stage 3 esophageal cancer in April. After 6 weeks of chemo/radiation he was almost able to have an esophectomy but they detected metastatic cancer the day of the surgery and now he can't have anything, he's stage 4 now. Did the chemo/rad do this? Absolutely not, only a fool would think that.
Ugh, homeopathy. Modern-day magic. It's funny and sad how the snake oils just never go away, through many thousands of years.

Yes, water has memory, and its memory, and therefore potency, improves depending on how thoroughly diluted it is. 😀
So I wonder then how water doesn't just outright kill us, if the homeopathy BS is correct? There are a lot more things out there that will kill or injure us than will nourish or aid us. And the water on Earth, for the most part, has been around for a very long time. It's got to remember quite a few interesting and deadly things. Since the dilution has been so extreme over billions of years, the things to which its been exposed will have to have left some extraordinary potency in the memory of the water we've got today.
 
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I hope for your friend's sake, she continues to listen to her doctors instead of some dude with no medical training who thinks he knows what's best.

I haven't told her to stop taking her medicine, nor do I plan to. She obviously has no reason to doubt the doctors. She is convinced she is still alive because of the doctors. I just know the doctors drug companies make a lot of money off people like her. No cure, instead just endless treatments that they claim are needed.
 
I just know the doctors drug companies make a lot of money off people like her. No cure, instead just endless treatments that they claim are needed.

Yeah. Because cures are difficult to come by. Even treatments are expensive to produce. I work in a lab, so I have first hand experience in how difficult and expensive biochemical research is. And that's just doing basic biophysics research; that doesn't even touch on clinical applications or drug discovery. But go on blaming the big evil pharmaceutical companies 🙄
 
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