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DukeN

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Stupidest thing about Vista - no exchange admin tools work with it. Ditto for SQL 2005.

Great job releasing a new OS Macro$hit, your two most widely used server applications cant be administered natively from it.
 
Serious question: were you forced to get Vista or was it a voluntary action?

I'm scared by the amount of people who want to get Vista right away. Cannot guarantee everything works with it right from the start.

 
Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Serious question: were you forced to get Vista or was it a voluntary action?

I'm scared by the amount of people who want to get Vista right away. Cannot guarantee everything works with it right from the start.
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Voluntarily, some of the capabilies like meeting space and user switching seemed very, very handy.

Didn't realise that something so critical and from MS wouldn't work on the final version.
 
If you have critical apps it's probably worth checking compatibility before rolling out Vista. I'm surprised they don't work but would guess there must be valid reasons.

Does anyone (Stash!) know when SP1 is expected? I've not seen any formal announcement yet.
 
Originally posted by: DukeN
Stupidest thing about Vista - no exchange admin tools work with it. Ditto for SQL 2005.

Great job releasing a new OS Macro$hit, your two most widely used server applications cant be administered natively from it.
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Instead of whining about it, you could actually do something useful like I did (since you're in a mad rush to be an early adopter)...

Step 1 - Obtain the latest Virtual PC 2007 Release Candidate (it's free afterall)
Step 2 - Install said Virtual PC 2007 RC
Step 3 - Create a brand spanking new VM using VPC
Step 4 - Install (gasp!) Windows XP or Server 2003 of your choice
Step 5 - Install your admin tools withing the Virtual XP environment
Step 6 - Administer your Exchange Box happily without worrying about what Vista does

Though this thread COULD have been avoided with some simple google action which yields things like this.
 
Originally posted by: spherrod
If you have critical apps it's probably worth checking compatibility before rolling out Vista. I'm surprised they don't work but would guess there must be valid reasons.

Does anyone (Stash!) know when SP1 is expected? I've not seen any formal announcement yet.
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June/July 2007.
 
Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Serious question: were you forced to get Vista or was it a voluntary action?

I'm scared by the amount of people who want to get Vista right away. Cannot guarantee everything works with it right from the start.
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Well, various free Beta and the RTM were available that clearly showed what worked and what didn't and what was in it and what wasn't! Also many things work in Vista that still don't in XP without "work arounds". like SATA and Raid and installing 746 updates, some of which are guaranteed to conflict with something in your system and crash. I have been running Vista, in one form or another, for about a year and it has been much more trouble free than any previous MS operating system.
 
Originally posted by: stash
In the meantime, RDP works fine.
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What he said. What's so hard about using Terminal Services to the box(es)? It takes me exactly one double-click more to load up a saved RDP file for my Exchange server and then click on ESM.
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: spherrod
If you have critical apps it's probably worth checking compatibility before rolling out Vista. I'm surprised they don't work but would guess there must be valid reasons.

Does anyone (Stash!) know when SP1 is expected? I've not seen any formal announcement yet.
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June/July 2007.
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Thanks for that :thumbsup:
 
I swear I read this same post when W2K was released and then again when XP was released.

Unfortunately, MS always seems to bundle this in the server builds and they follow the desktop releases. The VPC answer seems to be the solution.
 
Wow, I don't get some of you. How is running the entire Exchange and SQL servers in VPC's a better solution than just Remote Desktoping to them?
 
Guys you'll probably see some of this I'm afraid.


Some of the recently released products were in beta at the same time as Vista. Both development groups are trying to hit a moving target in the other group.

This may cause some initial incompatibilites but expect them to be VERY QUICKLY corrected. Things like this are first priority now that we're RTM.
 
Originally posted by: Solema
Wow, I don't get some of you. How is running the entire Exchange and SQL servers in VPC's a better solution than just Remote Desktoping to them?
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I don't think anyone is talking about running the servers in a VM - rather running the currently available managment tools in a VM based on a supported OS. However, I agree that RDP to the server in question and running the tools locally seems to make more sense. 🙂
 
Okay, I get that part now. But yeah, even still... You'd need the extra OS license, and have to deal with booting a VM just for management tools. Blech
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: DukeN
Stupidest thing about Vista - no exchange admin tools work with it. Ditto for SQL 2005.

Great job releasing a new OS Macro$hit, your two most widely used server applications cant be administered natively from it.
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Instead of whining about it, you could actually do something useful like I did (since you're in a mad rush to be an early adopter)...

Step 1 - https://connect.microsoft.com/programdetails.aspx?ProgramDetailsID=874">Obtain the latest Virtual PC 2007 Release Candidate (it's free afterall)</a>
Step 2 - Install said Virtual PC 2007 RC
Step 3 - Create a brand spanking new VM using VPC
Step 4 - Install (gasp!) Windows XP or Server 2003 of your choice
Step 5 - Install your admin tools withing the Virtual XP environment
Step 6 - Administer your Exchange Box happily without worrying about what Vista does

Though this thread COULD have been avoided with some simple google action which yields things like this.
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I second the VirtualPC thing. If you're moving to a new OS right after it goes RTM, it'd be insane not to keep some instance of the former OS around for those apps that just won't work right in the new OS. I use VMWare and have XP, Win2k, and Linux distro of my choice available all the time should the need arise. I realize this won't help for the gamers out there, but that can be remedied with a dual-boot. Having said that, it doesn't get any simpler for server admin tasks that RDP-ing straight to the box as was suggested.

 
still....huge thing for them to miss before releasing.

I don't mind RDP'ing into the server to work on it, (mostly 'cause the tools don't run on my linux box) but to miss something as serious as compatibility with your own support tools is a bit embarrassing. Not world ending, like the OP seems to think, though.
 
It wasn't something that was "missed". See my previous post. It was simply something that wasn't worth delaying the release of products over. It will be fixed asap though.
 
Originally posted by: Smilin
It wasn't something that was "missed". See my previous post. It was simply something that wasn't worth delaying the release of products over. It will be fixed asap though.
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Who rolls out a 1 day old OS in a production enviornment anyways?
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Words of wisdom. 😀

"Microsoft to delay Windows Vista launch due to incompatibility with ESM and SQL Enterprise Manager"
That's a great headline. Make millions of consumers wait longer so you can fix a minor issue that doesn't affect 98% of them.
 
Originally posted by: spherrod
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: spherrod
If you have critical apps it's probably worth checking compatibility before rolling out Vista. I'm surprised they don't work but would guess there must be valid reasons.

Does anyone (Stash!) know when SP1 is expected? I've not seen any formal announcement yet.
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June/July 2007.
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Thanks for that :thumbsup:
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A more accurate date is second half of 2007. And yes, I realize that June/July falls under that category...

 
Originally posted by: Smilin
It wasn't something that was "missed". See my previous post. It was simply something that wasn't worth delaying the release of products over. It will be fixed asap though.
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If the problem had been found during, say...August, it would have been fixed prior to release. The problem is the QA testing did not have test cases to cover the products (at least not until the very end of the dev cycle).

I understand release cycles and risk management, and I know that it was probably the right decision to release with this in place (depending on time to triage/fix and when the defect was discovered), it's just an "egg on the face" type mistake.
 
If the problem had been found during, say...August, it would have been fixed prior to release. The problem is the QA testing did not have test cases to cover the products (at least not until the very end of the dev cycle).
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You're assuming a lot about this 'mistake'
 
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