All I know is, I just bought an XP 1700 for $135, and I feel even better than I already did about it after reading the new 2.2 review today.
<< Hmmm...you seem to understand IMO well enough but AFAIK evades you. It means "As far as I know". I'm perfectly willing to admit that I didn't know of the existence of Northwoods below 2.0Ghz. I was wrong. Overclocking them to a competitive level like 2.0Ghz will still e difficult. >>
I'm just the messenger. Christoph asked me to post this for him.
And now you know
<< Tex , my argument isn't that you aren't looking for the best price on the Northwood 2.2Ghz, and as such being frugal, my argument is that the Northwood 2.2Ghz isn't worth its current price. >>
You were the one who tried to be coy and break up your arguement in a vain attempt to prove me wrong.
Wrong again. Your statement and I quote: Paying more than you have to for anything is foolish no matter what your income
You were addressing me after all and I broke your weak premise right down the middle.
Next time just admit you screwed up and move on.
You were the one who tried to be coy and break up your arguement in a vain attempt to prove me wrong. You were addressing me after all and I broke your weak premise right down the middle.
Next time just admit you screwed up and move on.
Yeah, you're a deft one Tex. You're the one to watch...
argument
Next time just admit you screwed up and move on.
Yeah, you're a deft one Tex. You're the one to watch...
argument
In one days time, all three chips discussed here dropped in price. The 2.2 GHz P4 dropped $19 to $609, the 2.0A P4 dropped $10 to $381, and the 2000+ XP dropped $4 to $328.
As always, prices go up and down on a daily basis, just like any other computer part out there such as RAM, motherboards, etc.
Just as a side note, the lowest price on pricewatch for the Athlon XP 1900+ is $226. It performs equal to and sometimes better than the 2.0A NW and still costs $155 less. Maybe people aren't willing to pay a lot for AMD's processors like they are for Intel's processors, but the price difference is still ridiculous IMO, especially considering the fact that there's much better motherboard support compared to just 6-7 months ago. The performance, quality, and stability of Socket A board has progressed over time, so perhaps AMD will raise their prices, frankly because they should be charging more for their processors. Either that or getting more OEM deals will help out AMD financially.
As always, prices go up and down on a daily basis, just like any other computer part out there such as RAM, motherboards, etc.
Just as a side note, the lowest price on pricewatch for the Athlon XP 1900+ is $226. It performs equal to and sometimes better than the 2.0A NW and still costs $155 less. Maybe people aren't willing to pay a lot for AMD's processors like they are for Intel's processors, but the price difference is still ridiculous IMO, especially considering the fact that there's much better motherboard support compared to just 6-7 months ago. The performance, quality, and stability of Socket A board has progressed over time, so perhaps AMD will raise their prices, frankly because they should be charging more for their processors. Either that or getting more OEM deals will help out AMD financially.
ST4RCUTTER,
I'm just curious why you're trying to judge everyone by your standards? Things which seem expensive to you are not necessary expensive to everyone else. Many times when it is time to upgrade many people will not mind paying extra and it is non of your business to count someone else's money. You need to understand that time is money as well, and while spending an hour to find a deal which might save you $10 - $15, you can actually work and earn $100 - $150 for the same hour. Doing simple math will show you that $10 - $15 saving are not worth $90 - $135 lost in wages. Once again, don't judge everyone by your standards of what is cost efficient and what is not. Just my .02 cents...
I'm just curious why you're trying to judge everyone by your standards? Things which seem expensive to you are not necessary expensive to everyone else. Many times when it is time to upgrade many people will not mind paying extra and it is non of your business to count someone else's money. You need to understand that time is money as well, and while spending an hour to find a deal which might save you $10 - $15, you can actually work and earn $100 - $150 for the same hour. Doing simple math will show you that $10 - $15 saving are not worth $90 - $135 lost in wages. Once again, don't judge everyone by your standards of what is cost efficient and what is not. Just my .02 cents...
<< ST4RCUTTER,
I'm just curious why you're trying to judge everyone by your standards? Things which seem expensive to you are not necessary expensive to everyone else. Many times when it is time to upgrade many people will not mind paying extra and it is non of your business to count someone else's money. You need to understand that time is money as well, and while spending an hour to find a deal which might save you $10 - $15, you can actually work and earn $100 - $150 for the same hour. Doing simple math will show you that $10 - $15 saving are not worth $90 - $135 lost in wages. Once again, don't judge everyone by your standards of what is cost efficient and what is not. Just my .02 cents... >>
Well said Andrey.
AGodSpeed wrote:
"Just as a side note, the lowest price on pricewatch for the Athlon XP 1900+ is $226. It performs equal to and sometimes better than the 2.0A NW and still costs $155 less."
No argument. However, to each their own
Maybe people aren't willing to pay a lot for AMD's processors like they are for Intel's processors, but the price difference is still ridiculous IMO, especially considering the fact that there's much better motherboard support compared to just 6-7 months ago. The performance, quality, and stability of Socket A board has progressed over time, so perhaps AMD will raise their prices, frankly because they should be charging more for their processors. Either that or getting more OEM deals will help out AMD financially."
I've got to disagree here. While I believe that, overall, Socket A boards have evolved nicely... Entirely too many people are stricken with chipset issues which either significantly degrade their performance, or frustrate them enough to pay the extra for Intel. I'm talking about--You guessed it - VIA. VIA still holds a majority share of the Socket A chipset market (though, thankfully, much less) and until that changes... nForce and the latest offerings from SiS have helped, but it's going to take more.
I can't even begin to recall how many threads I see where someone gives up on VIA/AMD and makes the move to Intel/Intel. And, in most cases, I can't blame them.
"Just as a side note, the lowest price on pricewatch for the Athlon XP 1900+ is $226. It performs equal to and sometimes better than the 2.0A NW and still costs $155 less."
No argument. However, to each their own
Maybe people aren't willing to pay a lot for AMD's processors like they are for Intel's processors, but the price difference is still ridiculous IMO, especially considering the fact that there's much better motherboard support compared to just 6-7 months ago. The performance, quality, and stability of Socket A board has progressed over time, so perhaps AMD will raise their prices, frankly because they should be charging more for their processors. Either that or getting more OEM deals will help out AMD financially."
I've got to disagree here. While I believe that, overall, Socket A boards have evolved nicely... Entirely too many people are stricken with chipset issues which either significantly degrade their performance, or frustrate them enough to pay the extra for Intel. I'm talking about--You guessed it - VIA. VIA still holds a majority share of the Socket A chipset market (though, thankfully, much less) and until that changes... nForce and the latest offerings from SiS have helped, but it's going to take more.
I can't even begin to recall how many threads I see where someone gives up on VIA/AMD and makes the move to Intel/Intel. And, in most cases, I can't blame them.
I'm just curious why you're trying to judge everyone by your standards? Things which seem expensive to you are not necessary expensive to everyone else. Many times when it is time to upgrade many people will not mind paying extra and it is non of your business to count someone else's money. You need to understand that time is money as well, and while spending an hour to find a deal which might save you $10 - $15, you can actually work and earn $100 - $150 for the same hour. Doing simple math will show you that $10 - $15 saving are not worth $90 - $135 lost in wages. Once again, don't judge everyone by your standards of what is cost efficient and what is not. Just my .02 cents...
andrey, I think you need to go back and reread my posts. I never judged anyone by any standard, let alone mine. I said:
"Paying more than you have to for anything is foolish no matter what your income. Chastising others for arguing the benefits of frugality or thrift is equally foolish IMO."
I hold those to be simple truths. Whether you do or not is up to you, however I am entitled to my opinion just as you are, and I'm equally entitled to post what I believe on this forum. Texmaster is the one who accused me of applying my standards to others. If I had said "Texmaster, you are foolish for paying more than you have to..." your argument would stand. I never said that.
andrey, I think you need to go back and reread my posts. I never judged anyone by any standard, let alone mine. I said:
"Paying more than you have to for anything is foolish no matter what your income. Chastising others for arguing the benefits of frugality or thrift is equally foolish IMO."
I hold those to be simple truths. Whether you do or not is up to you, however I am entitled to my opinion just as you are, and I'm equally entitled to post what I believe on this forum. Texmaster is the one who accused me of applying my standards to others. If I had said "Texmaster, you are foolish for paying more than you have to..." your argument would stand. I never said that.
<< I hold those to be simple truths. Whether you do or not is up to you, however I am entitled to my opinion just as you are, and I'm equally entitled to post what I believe on this forum. Texmaster is the one who accused me of applying my standards to others. If I had said "Texmaster, you are foolish for paying more than you have to..." your argument would stand. I never said that. >>
I agree with you that you never directly judged anyone. I believe it just "Paying more than you have to for anything is foolish no matter what your income. Chastising others for arguing the benefits of frugality or thrift is equally foolish IMO." sentence and you quoting Texmaster who disagree with you didn't seem reasonable. Certain things which look foolish to some people are not exactly foolish to others, especially when they make enough money to the point where +/- $100 doesn't really make that much of the difference. You have your opinion on this subject, and that's perfectly fine. I respect that. After all, everyone is here to state their opinions. Without different and opposing opinions these forums would be empty
<< I hold those to be simple truths. Whether you do or not is up to you, however I am entitled to my opinion just as you are, and I'm equally entitled to post what I believe on this forum. Texmaster is the one who accused me of applying my standards to others. If I had said "Texmaster, you are foolish for paying more than you have to..." your argument would stand. I never said that. >>
You replied to me, quoted me, gave me a response then tried to hide behind it by claiming its generality. Pretty gutless thing to do St4rcutter
Next time, be man enough to admit you were wrong about your arguement and its context once its been proven wrong rather than trying to change it.
You replied to me, quoted me, gave me a response then tried to hide behind it by claiming its generality. Pretty gutless thing to do St4rcutter.
Next time, be man enough to admit you were wrong about your arguement and its context once its been proven wrong rather than trying to change it.
Good lord you're bad at arguing!!!
When you bash people for pointing out that it's foolish to pay more than you have to regardless of personal income makes you look rather asinine.
Judging from your posts, you would argue that it isn't foolish to pay $600 instead of $300 for the exact same product. If this is not your argument, then ST4RCUTTER has a valid point.
Yet again, you just can't admit when you've lost.
Sorry Tex, but I just think you should leave this alone.
Next time, be man enough to admit you were wrong about your arguement and its context once its been proven wrong rather than trying to change it.
Good lord you're bad at arguing!!!
When you bash people for pointing out that it's foolish to pay more than you have to regardless of personal income makes you look rather asinine.
Judging from your posts, you would argue that it isn't foolish to pay $600 instead of $300 for the exact same product. If this is not your argument, then ST4RCUTTER has a valid point.
Yet again, you just can't admit when you've lost.
Sorry Tex, but I just think you should leave this alone.
You have your opinion on this subject, and that's perfectly fine. I respect that. After all, everyone is here to state their opinions. Without different and opposing opinions these forums would be empty --andrey
Your elite status is clearly deserved. I appreciate your courteous reply.
You replied to me, quoted me, gave me a response then tried to hide behind it by claiming its generality. Pretty gutless thing to do St4rcutter
Next time, be man enough to admit you were wrong about your arguement and its context once its been proven wrong rather than trying to change it. --Tex
Texmaster, in the time that I have been a member of this forum, and borne witness to your posts, you have acted neither elite nor courteous. It seems your sole purpose is to chastise others and send insulting PM's. I quoted you because my beliefs are relevent to the argument, not a judgement on you. If you were insulted, that was not my intent.
Your elite status is clearly deserved. I appreciate your courteous reply.
You replied to me, quoted me, gave me a response then tried to hide behind it by claiming its generality. Pretty gutless thing to do St4rcutter
Next time, be man enough to admit you were wrong about your arguement and its context once its been proven wrong rather than trying to change it. --Tex
Texmaster, in the time that I have been a member of this forum, and borne witness to your posts, you have acted neither elite nor courteous. It seems your sole purpose is to chastise others and send insulting PM's. I quoted you because my beliefs are relevent to the argument, not a judgement on you. If you were insulted, that was not my intent.
<< You replied to me, quoted me, gave me a response then tried to hide behind it by claiming its generality. Pretty gutless thing to do St4rcutter.
Next time, be man enough to admit you were wrong about your arguement and its context once its been proven wrong rather than trying to change it.
Good lord you suck at arguing!!! >>
LOL Coming from the master thats quite a complement!
<< When you bash people for pointing out that it's foolish to pay more than you have to regardless of personal income makes you look rather asinine. >>
Then I submit the same challenge I did to Starcutter to you. If I paid more than I had to, find me a place that was selling a retail box Northwood 2.2ghz yesterday for cheaper than 670.
But I know your gutlessness will send you running from such a simple test to prove your own moronic arguement.
<< Judging from your posts, you would argue that it isn't foolish to pay $600 instead of $300 for the exact same product. If this is not your argument, then ST4RCUTTER's point is a valid one. >>
Newsflash moron. LOL The P4 and the XP and different They are not the same therefore your arguement is as stupid as your first one.
But please keep going, I could always use another good laugh LOL
<< Yet again, you just can't admit when you've lost. >>
HAHAHAHAHA Once again, coming from the MASTER!! LOL
<< Texmaster, in the time that I have been a member of this forum, and borne witness to your posts, you have acted neither elite nor courteous. It seems your sole purpose is to chastise others and send insulting PM's. I quoted you because my beliefs are relevent to the argument, not a judgement on you. If you were insulted, that was not my intent. >>
I dont act curteous to you perhaps, because you have never shown the same to me. If you really wanted to go back in time, it was you defending someone else against me that allowed our paths to cross.
Your arguements were proven null and void. Switching their meaning doesn't change that outcome.
Yet again, you just can't admit when you've lost.
What exactly did he lose at? Is this some sort of game? You guys feel all mighty from winning an arguement online? Jeeze guys, he has the money to buy the processor and he's selling his old stuff. Hes not spending much more to upgrade. No reason to call him stupid for that. Everyone here sometime or another has bought something at release and seen prices of their stuff go down in value. So were all stupid according to some people's beliefs. You're never going to force your own belief on someone,much less on a message board.
What exactly did he lose at? Is this some sort of game? You guys feel all mighty from winning an arguement online? Jeeze guys, he has the money to buy the processor and he's selling his old stuff. Hes not spending much more to upgrade. No reason to call him stupid for that. Everyone here sometime or another has bought something at release and seen prices of their stuff go down in value. So were all stupid according to some people's beliefs. You're never going to force your own belief on someone,much less on a message board.
I dont act curteous to you perhaps, because you have never shown the same to me. If you really wanted to go back in time, it was you defending someone else against me that allowed our paths to cross.
Your arguements were proven null and void. Switching their meaning doesn't change that outcome.
That's the point Texmaster. Why should I have to defend other members against your hostility.
By the way, arguments only has one "e".
Your arguements were proven null and void. Switching their meaning doesn't change that outcome.
That's the point Texmaster. Why should I have to defend other members against your hostility.
By the way, arguments only has one "e".
Then I submit the same challenge I did to Starcutter to you. If I paid more than I had to, find me a place that was selling a retail box Northwood 2.2ghz yesterday for cheaper than 670.
Good lord, now you're just skewing my whole point.
I give up Tex, you simply can't accept when you're wrong for bashing people like STR4CUTTER. Arguments like this one with ST4RCUTTER is just classic of exactly what you like to do:
Texmaster, in the time that I have been a member of this forum, and borne witness to your posts, you have acted neither elite nor courteous. It seems your sole purpose is to chastise others and send insulting PM's. I quoted you because my beliefs are relevent to the argument, not a judgement on you. If you were insulted, that was not my intent. - ST4RCUTTER
If you really wanted to go back in time, it was you defending someone else against me that allowed our paths to cross. - Texmaster
I guess ST4RCUTTER shouldn't be allowed to defend other people with different opinions than yours. Good god! It's no wonder you blocked my PMs.
What exactly did he lose at? Is this some sort of game?
Not the argument per se chris, it's the fact that Tex thinks he can bash other people and not be curteous to people like ST4CUTTER solely because they make a different point. Tex doesn't like to admit when other people have a point. I might admit that Tex has a point in certain instances, but Tex would never admit that I have a point in those same instances. It's really childish, but I should have learned when Tex blocked my PM's that there's no point in attempting to have logical conversation with Tex.
Good lord, now you're just skewing my whole point.
I give up Tex, you simply can't accept when you're wrong for bashing people like STR4CUTTER. Arguments like this one with ST4RCUTTER is just classic of exactly what you like to do:
Texmaster, in the time that I have been a member of this forum, and borne witness to your posts, you have acted neither elite nor courteous. It seems your sole purpose is to chastise others and send insulting PM's. I quoted you because my beliefs are relevent to the argument, not a judgement on you. If you were insulted, that was not my intent. - ST4RCUTTER
If you really wanted to go back in time, it was you defending someone else against me that allowed our paths to cross. - Texmaster
I guess ST4RCUTTER shouldn't be allowed to defend other people with different opinions than yours. Good god! It's no wonder you blocked my PMs.
What exactly did he lose at? Is this some sort of game?
Not the argument per se chris, it's the fact that Tex thinks he can bash other people and not be curteous to people like ST4CUTTER solely because they make a different point. Tex doesn't like to admit when other people have a point. I might admit that Tex has a point in certain instances, but Tex would never admit that I have a point in those same instances. It's really childish, but I should have learned when Tex blocked my PM's that there's no point in attempting to have logical conversation with Tex.
<< That's the point Texmaster. Why should I have to defend other members against your hostility. >>
So why do you do it? You jumped into a situation where you knew half the facts and I ended up having to repeat myself to you as well.
Take off the caped crusader mask and tights every now and then. It will save you from embarassement in the future.
<< By the way, arguments only has one "e".
>>LOL!!! Now I know I got to you. Spelling cheaks are the tell tale sign of the desperate
<< Then I submit the same challenge I did to Starcutter to you. If I paid more than I had to, find me a place that was selling a retail box Northwood 2.2ghz yesterday for cheaper than 670.
Good lord, now you're just skewing my whole point. >>
LOL Ah I see and your going to explain why now right?
<< I give up Tex, you simply can't accept when you're wrong. >>
Whoops, guess not LOL I'm not scewing anything, I am holding you accoutable to the arguements you make. And as always, you run away.
<< I guess ST4RCUTTER shouldn't be allowed to defend other people with different opinions than yours. Good god! It's no wonder you blocked my PMs. >>
I merely explained how we got to the situation we were at Agodspeed. Your zealotry has blinded you beyond hope.
I blocked your PMs because I ended up having to explain the same thing to you 3 times and you still didn't listen. There is only so much repetitiiveness I can take.
Agodspeed and St4rcutter we can resolve this right now.
You two go around argueing against every pro Intel thread out there and claim I do the same.
Allow me to prove you two wrong once again.
Link
Helping an AMD owner
I agree with the guys here Beano. You most likely have your mobo shorting out on your case somewhere.
That will keep it from beeping.
Try that first.
Good luck
Link
And Another
First off sorry about your loss. A nasty growing pain most of us go through.
What I'm assuming you are saying is that you have a new cpu with the same mobo.
The answer is yes it is possible you ruined the motherboard as well.
Its also possible your ram could be damaged. Might want to try that too.
When you get new parts, I highly recommend you go to Plycon for a high performance fan.
The new AMD and P4s almost require a high performance heatsink and fan nowadays.
And how about helping someone with an AMD purchase?
Link
I'll do even better than that. I'll give you a price
I posted yesterday that very rig except the cpu was a 1.4ghz XP boxed, same mobo same ram 350.00 at newegg.com
Great deal if you are into AMD
I found three pro AMD threads I contributed to without once argueing for an Intel processor.
Now, please show all of us your pro intel and pro intel help replies without mentioning AMD.
Everyone here is waiting
You two go around argueing against every pro Intel thread out there and claim I do the same.
Allow me to prove you two wrong once again.
Link
Helping an AMD owner
I agree with the guys here Beano. You most likely have your mobo shorting out on your case somewhere.
That will keep it from beeping.
Try that first.
Good luck
Link
And Another
First off sorry about your loss. A nasty growing pain most of us go through.
What I'm assuming you are saying is that you have a new cpu with the same mobo.
The answer is yes it is possible you ruined the motherboard as well.
Its also possible your ram could be damaged. Might want to try that too.
When you get new parts, I highly recommend you go to Plycon for a high performance fan.
The new AMD and P4s almost require a high performance heatsink and fan nowadays.
And how about helping someone with an AMD purchase?
Link
I'll do even better than that. I'll give you a price
I posted yesterday that very rig except the cpu was a 1.4ghz XP boxed, same mobo same ram 350.00 at newegg.com
Great deal if you are into AMD
I found three pro AMD threads I contributed to without once argueing for an Intel processor.
Now, please show all of us your pro intel and pro intel help replies without mentioning AMD.
Everyone here is waiting
"Athlon XP 1900+ is $226. It performs equal to and sometimes better than the 2.0A NW and still costs $155 less"
Funny how people conveniently forget the fact that P4 2.0a beats XP2000 on half the benches yet claim that XP1900 is so much better than 2.0a since it kicks ass and is cheaper. I didn't see XP1900 beating XP2000 in any benches.. did you?
While I dont' get into this Intel vs AMD crap, I do find it amusing that some AMD advocates think people who buy Intel are stupid and misinformed. Where this generalisation comes from is beyond me. I'll probably buy P4 some time this year. Not because I fell for Intel ads or because I'm stupid. Because its what I want. My first computer was Z80 (if you can call it a computer) back in the early 80s. I learnt to make Z80 in University. So yes. I do know my computer stuff. I find it amusing that someone can judge me as being stupid because I buy Intel product. Arrogance is all I can say.
Anyway this whole Intel vs AMD depends how you look at the data and what you can afford. So stop bickering and buy what you want. Either way I dont' see how you can lose since the performance difference is so minute.
Anyway, Texmaster, while your tact is in need of some practice, I want to know how your new P4 2.2 performs since my next system will be P4. Do post how it goes.
Funny how people conveniently forget the fact that P4 2.0a beats XP2000 on half the benches yet claim that XP1900 is so much better than 2.0a since it kicks ass and is cheaper. I didn't see XP1900 beating XP2000 in any benches.. did you?
While I dont' get into this Intel vs AMD crap, I do find it amusing that some AMD advocates think people who buy Intel are stupid and misinformed. Where this generalisation comes from is beyond me. I'll probably buy P4 some time this year. Not because I fell for Intel ads or because I'm stupid. Because its what I want. My first computer was Z80 (if you can call it a computer) back in the early 80s. I learnt to make Z80 in University. So yes. I do know my computer stuff. I find it amusing that someone can judge me as being stupid because I buy Intel product. Arrogance is all I can say.
Anyway this whole Intel vs AMD depends how you look at the data and what you can afford. So stop bickering and buy what you want. Either way I dont' see how you can lose since the performance difference is so minute.
Anyway, Texmaster, while your tact is in need of some practice, I want to know how your new P4 2.2 performs since my next system will be P4. Do post how it goes.
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Ok its been 1 week since they were released, time to check if I was right.
<< Intel is selling the 2.2 GHz model for $562 and the 2.0a GHz model for $364. It will take a while for the prices to reach that level (I stated it will take a week in an earlier post). - Dullard >>
<< Dullard, Intel's prices are for a 1000 cpu's not one. - Diable >>
<< It just takes a few days/weeks to reach that level. - Dullard >>
The result: in one week the 2.2 GHz Northwood is selling at $572 just a bit over Intel's 1000 price. The 2.0A Northwood is selling at $368, just $4 over Intel's 1000 price.
Wait a week and you save $63 from Agodspeed's initial post price.
<< Intel is selling the 2.2 GHz model for $562 and the 2.0a GHz model for $364. It will take a while for the prices to reach that level (I stated it will take a week in an earlier post). - Dullard >>
<< Dullard, Intel's prices are for a 1000 cpu's not one. - Diable >>
<< It just takes a few days/weeks to reach that level. - Dullard >>
The result: in one week the 2.2 GHz Northwood is selling at $572 just a bit over Intel's 1000 price. The 2.0A Northwood is selling at $368, just $4 over Intel's 1000 price.
Wait a week and you save $63 from Agodspeed's initial post price.
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