Good for Florida

zsdersw

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/22/florida.gay.adoptions/index.html?hpt=T2

(CNN) -- A Florida appeals court Wednesday struck down a state law barring gay men and lesbians from adoption on the basis of equal protection under law.

The Florida 3rd District Court of Appeal upheld a trial court ruling that Florida's explicit ban was unconstitutional, noting that the state's adoption law required officials to assess potential adoptive parents in "the best interests of the child."
"By the time of the trial below, the application of the statutory ban was contrary to both the professional judgment of the Department and the legislative directive to assure 'the best interest of the child' in 'every' adoption," wrote Judge Cindy S. Lederman in the 42-page ruling.

Shortly after the unanimous ruling was announced, Gov. Charlie Crist -- who is running for a U.S. Senate seat as an independent -- said the state would "stop enforcing the ban." A supporter of the ban earlier in his career, when he was a Republican, Crist added that he was very pleased with the ruling.
Joe Follick, the spokesman for the Department of Children and Families, said the department has 30 days to decide on an appeal, "but we will make a decision sooner than that."

"We are analyzing the court's opinion and wish to give any decision to appeal a thorough review," he said, adding that their decision would consider "the impact on the family directly involved in this case."

"As of now, this decision does stand as the law in Florida, and we are currently not enforcing the ban," he said. "The primary consideration on whether to appeal is finding the balance between the value of a final ruling from the Florida Supreme Court versus the impact on the Gill family."

The Florida Supreme Court several years ago considered a challenge to the law based on equal protection but sent the case back to the district court to collect more information. The case was later abandoned.

The current case involved a gay man who was a licensed foster parent, allowed under Florida law, who wanted to adopt two boys who had been placed in his care after the Department of Children and Families removed them from their home for neglect.
The Center for Family and Child Enrichment, a private, nonprofit company that provides adoption services through a contract with the state, reported that "the home presented a suitable environment" and that the gay man -- identified as "F.G." in court documents and as Martin Gill by the American Civil Liberties Union, which represented him -- "met all the criteria required to adopt the two boys."

But the center recommended against the adoption because of the Florida law, and the department denied the application.
"The Department acknowledged that it would have approved the application if it had not been for the statute," Lederman wrote.

Gill sued, and the trial court agreed that the ban was unconstitutional. The department appealed the ruling to the district court.

In the ruling, Lederman wrote that gay men and lesbians are the only people barred from adopting in the state law and that the ban could stand up only if "there is a rational basis for the difference in treatment."
Instead, she wrote, the argument against was not that gay men and lesbians were unfit parents.

"Instead, the Department argues that there is a rational basis for the prohibition on homosexual adoption because children will have better role models, and face less discrimination, if they are placed in non-homosexual households, preferably with a husband and wife as the parents," she wrote. "But that is not what the statute does."

The law does not prohibit single people from adopting -- and does not bar gay men and lesbians from fostering children or guardianship, she noted.

"It is difficult to see any rational basis in utilizing homosexual persons as foster parents or guardians on a temporary or permanent basis, while imposing a blanket prohibition on adoption by those same persons," she wrote.

Gill was delighted with the ruling.

"This is just the news that we have been waiting so anxiously for here," he said in an ACLU statement. "This is a giant step toward being able to give our sons the stability and permanency that they are being denied."

Hopefully soon it will be completely gone from the books in not only Florida but every other state too.
 

ProfJohn

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Sad that it took a court to remove this stupid law.

Especially when we are dealing with children that are unwanted by anyone else.
 

Thump553

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From the NPR report I heard on this yesterday, Florida is the only state that had an absolute ban on homosexuals as adoptive parents. Also (this may be in your wall of text) homosexuals were the ONLY group to be absolutely barred from adoption under the Florida law-felons, etc. could be reviewed on a case by case basis.

A good example of a very poorly drafted law.
 

Moonbeam

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From the NPR report I heard on this yesterday, Florida is the only state that had an absolute ban on homosexuals as adoptive parents. Also (this may be in your wall of text) homosexuals were the ONLY group to be absolutely barred from adoption under the Florida law-felons, etc. could be reviewed on a case by case basis.

A good example of a very poorly drafted law.

So the law was poor but the intent was OK?
 

Craig234

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This is the Republican Florida legislature that has been a disaster, including their plan and determination to give their electoral votes to Bush whatever courts said.

People concentrate on the US Supreme Court's role, and more informed people look at the many issues, some intentional vote grabs (like the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of minority voters) to the inadvertent vote grabs (poor counties with more Gore voters had worse machines that had far higher error rates the vote was not notified of to fix, while richer counties had better machines letting voters fix errors resulting in error rates sometimes one tenth the black areas).

But not many recall the state legislature saying they would vote to override any of the possible outcomes that gave Gore the election and give it to Bush.
 

zsdersw

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Yeah, I know FL is the only state with a ban as exact and absolute as this one, but restrictions on gay adoption exist in other states (UT, OK, AR, MI).. and the reasons proffered for those restrictions are just as stupid in those states as they are in FL.
 
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IronWing

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This is the Republican Florida legislature that has been a disaster, including their plan and determination to give their electoral votes to Bush whatever courts said.

People concentrate on the US Supreme Court's role, and more informed people look at the many issues, some intentional vote grabs (like the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of minority voters) to the inadvertent vote grabs (poor counties with more Gore voters had worse machines that had far higher error rates the vote was not notified of to fix, while richer counties had better machines letting voters fix errors resulting in error rates sometimes one tenth the black areas).

But not many recall the state legislature saying they would vote to override any of the possible outcomes that gave Gore the election and give it to Bush.

Craig, remember here for a second that I normally agree with you, okay?

WTF DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE THREAD?

Just something the think about.
 

Craig234

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Craig, remember here for a second that I normally agree with you, okay?

WTF DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE THREAD?

Just something the think about.

The thread is about the Florida legislature - quite Republican - passing a terrible policy that horrifies people.

This is a reminder that it's not just one bad thing in a vacuum - it's some accountability for the Republicans responsible, reminding of another example from them.

It's broadening the message from one court ruling, to a reminder who is behind the terrible law we're so glad the court overturned.

It's a bit like mentioning in a thread about a gas pipe explosion caused by a lack of maintenance, the politicians who eliminated the inspections for pipelines ignoring warnings of the risks, and pointing out that they had a record of similar bad policies that had caused disaster before, so that we learn the right lessons about why their 'anti-big government pipeline inspections' policy was a bad idea.

Instead of ignoring that the Florida legislature is a group of radicals, point out the problems of their being in power. Otherwise no one notices the problem.

It legitimizes and enables the radical and harmful people to ignore them.
 

ElFenix

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you're aware that the law was passed in 1977, right?
 

brandonb

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OP, you have a billion threads about gayness, and with your avatar, signature, and all that other nonsense, I'm starting to think you are an army of one... In a gay pride parade.

Grats.
 

zsdersw

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OP, you have a billion threads about gayness, and with your avatar, signature, and all that other nonsense, I'm starting to think you are an army of one... In a gay pride parade.

Grats.

Thanks for sharing. Feel free to never post again in any posts I start if you have a problem.
 
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Craig234

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OP, you have a billion threads about gayness, and with your avatar, signature, and all that other nonsense, I'm starting to think you are an army of one... In a gay pride parade.

Grats.

As long as you are out there on the other side, more threads are needed.
 

ayabe

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OP, you have a billion threads about gayness, and with your avatar, signature, and all that other nonsense, I'm starting to think you are an army of one... In a gay pride parade.

Grats.

Wow, bigot much?
 

Moonbeam

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OP, you have a billion threads about gayness, and with your avatar, signature, and all that other nonsense, I'm starting to think you are an army of one... In a gay pride parade.

Grats.

I fear you may be deeply confused on what it means to start to think.
 

brandonb

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I was waiting to be called a bigot, happened in less than 3 responses. That's the new buzzword for this year.