Grandaddy and a Static Lullaby too, wow, good tastes in music on this forum. :music::music::music:
Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard of Ozz
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Hammerfall - Crimson Thunder
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Bruce Dickinson - Accident of Birth
Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Hammerfall - Crimson Thunder
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Bruce Dickinson - Accident of Birth
Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
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cold play - parachutes
cold play - a rush of blood to the head
foo fighters - one by one
Linkin Park - Meteora... not bad. The rest I don't like. It's not about being "underground." The music industry is so preoccupied with selling records that most "popular" bands today have no substance (not I said MOST, not ALL). Lots of talentless bands out there today.
cold play - a rush of blood to the head
foo fighters - one by one
Linkin Park - Meteora... not bad. The rest I don't like. It's not about being "underground." The music industry is so preoccupied with selling records that most "popular" bands today have no substance (not I said MOST, not ALL). Lots of talentless bands out there today.
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The problem though is what YOU consider talent could be completely different from what most of america considers talent. If you haven't written any songs, sang on stage, or played any instruments, you definately don't have the room to talk about talent in any musical definition because you haven't experienced what it takes to do such things. Just cause a song is pop or catchy doesn't mean the person doesn't have talent. Admitted there are a lot of bands out there I hate, but unfortunately some of those backdoor boys and nsyncs can actually sing, which takes a certain talent. The music they choose might not be the best in the world, but their doing what they love and making money doing it. Gotta love america!
Despite what you or I would consider it, it is difficult to pin talent as being relative. (other than in an associative manner, ie apples to apples, oranges to oranges) Music, literature, theatre, all of these forms of art hold value in their ability to express the abstract through a concrete medium. This is why art is unique to humans alone of all of the life on earth, for our ability to convey and relate to the abstract through arts like music. When you begin to classify sound that does not convey any discernable abstracts as music, it fades into chaos and one cannot discern art from garbage. The degree with which you can use music, especially without lyric, to convey the abstract in a discernable manner marks its talent, aside from technicality alone IMHO.
Originally posted by: mpitts
OK then, let's say you like a band before they hit the airwaves or MTV. You are a huge fan and you support them before they hit it big. Then they wind up being played on the radio and MTV ad naseum. Does that mean you should stop liking/supporting them?
I have gone through this with too many bands to count. I support the bands I like regardless of what others think.
Depends if when they go popular if they dumb down their stuff (i.e. Linkin Park)
I was a big fan of Linkin Park back in the day (back before Hybrid Theory got big... but not so far back as to when the band was called "Hybrid Theory" instead of "Linkin Park"). When Hybrid Theory came out I bought it in the first couple weeks - before it went huge. Now? I thought Reanimation was just above par, and Meteora stinks.
Good CDs.. hm..
Audioslave
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
New Found Glory - Sticks and Stones
Radiohead - The Bends
The Strokes - Is This It
Weezer - Blue
I'm sure you've all heard of these, so they're not "underground" but I consider all of these bands to have talent.
iono about NFG though... but I still like the CD... so they have talent in my book
Audioslave
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
New Found Glory - Sticks and Stones
Radiohead - The Bends
The Strokes - Is This It
Weezer - Blue
I'm sure you've all heard of these, so they're not "underground" but I consider all of these bands to have talent.
iono about NFG though... but I still like the CD... so they have talent in my book
Pink Floyd - DSOTM
Paul van Dyk - _____________ [Anything this guy touches turns to gold.]
DJ Tiësto - Live at Innercity - Amsterdam RAI
Sarah McLachlan - Remixed
The first two may have some merit, but the last two. OMFG rooflies.:beer:
Paul van Dyk - _____________ [Anything this guy touches turns to gold.]
DJ Tiësto - Live at Innercity - Amsterdam RAI
Sarah McLachlan - Remixed
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
The first two may have some merit, but the last two. OMFG rooflies.:beer:
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I agree completely. I think to most people the true value of art is skipped, and their measure of artistic talent is based on hooks and beats, style and what is cool at the moment. I am an art student and have been drawing, painting, sculpting all of my life. I think that this has allowed me to appreciate other artist and their works more than if I had not learned any form of art medium. To appreciate what art truly is I do think that being involved in any form of activity which focuses on self expression helps tremendously, but is not absolutely necessary. To me what defines artistic talent is not whether my pictures look realistic or if Britteny Spears can hit some high notes, it is the ability of the artist to convey a concept, feeling, or idea.
To me the introduction of lyrics has really dumbed down everyone's perception of music. The actual music has become a backdrop and no one actually listens to it anymore. Now almost everyone I know requires that each song they listen to has "words." I hear it all of the time. I will be listening to some music, and one of my friends comes in and after about 2 minutes he realizes that this piece does not contain any sort of vocals. The first thing I hear from 90% of the people regardless of race/sex/religion is "Doesn't this song have any words?"
As far as the whole arguement over underground music vs. mainstream, I must say that I rarely if ever see any mainstream artist take as much chances and draw from as much true emotion as I do with underground bands (but there are many, many crappy underground bands as well). I think the reason is fairly obvious: money. That is the objective of any mainstream (and I'll admit that underground bands need food too) artist and their label. The songs must be radio friendly and up with the current trends. The goal is popularity; if it can be watered down enough you can broaden your market. This leaves no room for creativity and experimentation. Underground bands have much, much less interferece from their labels and are free to explore and develop their own music, not what is popular at the time.
One last very important factor that I want to mention is style. To be successful as a mainstream artist you have to appeal to a large audience. Would Brittany or Christina be up there if she was not so pleasing to look at? Have you ever seen a butt ugly female artist go mainstream (lately, there have been examples in the past)? Image seems to be more important than actual music nowadays. Everyone has to have a video for their single put out.
The RIAA wonders why sales are lagging.
:music:
btw this would be a good time to bring up the fact that most music released today has been pushed so hot in the mastering stage that it clips off parts of the wavelength, making the sound crappy. the only reason this is done is for more presence on the radio. the result you have is crappy audio. see the last 2 RHCP albums for good examples.
this is also why i love listening to older CD's and recordings.
this is also why i love listening to older CD's and recordings.
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Intriguing article. Maybe it's just the voice, but to me there seem to be some unsaid contradictions flowing through the first part of it. I am not at all of the opinion that capitalism is at fault for the current music industy; a capitalist economy to the contrary creates the only environment where individual success can prosper soley of its own merit, a system where there is motivation for all the work required to create truly beautiful. The consumers of today's music are not the product of it, they are the creaters of it through demand. Garbage wouldn't sell if the big 5 called it art and nobody believed it.
On the other hand, the independent artists many times seem to assume the role of the victim, the guilty, the conforming non conformist, where they accept that people are entitled to their music because it is objectively better and that success for them is a vice. Altruism is the proper course to them in the face of what they view as the enemy of corporate music machines, in which case they should be condemed to settle for charging less than they think they could make in the name of enriching society with independent music. I disagree with this philosophy, indeed there are reasons for keeping clear of a large record label for the sake of artistic management over what you create, however you should not be of the frame of mind that you deserve to make any less on the merit that your talent is indeed a vice.
What bothers me about the record companies most, is that people get conned into believing that they need them for success. That they must sacrifice their creative control over their art in order to make it marketable. They have all of the rights to what they create and should not be told otherwise so that somebody other than them can profit from it. They work for the money, they deserve it. That is why I can respect independent artists that do make a live and do no sacrifice that which they love for it and do not consign themselves to making somebody else the money when they can earn it.
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Originally posted by: mpitts
OK then, let's say you like a band before they hit the airwaves or MTV. You are a huge fan and you support them before they hit it big. Then they wind up being played on the radio and MTV ad naseum. Does that mean you should stop liking/supporting them?
I have gone through this with too many bands to count. I support the bands I like regardless of what others think.
well, korn has definitely gone downhill since they started being mtv's favorite band
Hey! The three albums that I have! And that's a lot coming from me because I rarely buy albums! Not that I dl, mostly because I don't follow the music scene that closely.
the drummer of a static lullaby actually tried out for my friends band (up syndrome) before he joined asl
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