Good article: Let's stop calling the left anti-war

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, since there was no substantial terrorist activity in Iraq before the war, I suppose we could stop calling the so called right anti-terrorists, since their actions opened the door for Iraqi citizens to be blown up by them.

Way to go guys! You are pro-terrorist!

Goose meet gander.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: conjur
But based upon the Quran. Yay...Theocracy! Party!

FUD, with a capital F. Where is your evidence to support that the new Iraqi Consitution is based upon the Quran? And what do you really know about the Quran besides what RawStory puts on the front page?

He already knows he is posting jibberish. The Constitution says Islamic laws - and conjur spins that to the Quran. He also leaves out that the on the next line is states that laws are based on Democratic principles - yet you don't see conjur calling Iraq a Democracy. He's just a deluded tool of the left who loves to see a storm in every cloud.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: conjur
But based upon the Quran. Yay...Theocracy! Party!

FUD, with a capital F. Where is your evidence to support that the new Iraqi Consitution is based upon the Quran? And what do you really know about the Quran besides what RawStory puts on the front page?

How many times do I have to embarrass you on this?

CHAPTER ONE: BASIC PRINCIPLES
Article (1): The Republic of Iraq is an independent, sovereign nation, and the system of rule in it is a democratic, federal, representative (parliamentary) republic.
Article (2):
1st
Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.
(c) No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined in this constitution.

BTW, Iraq has done a decent job on its own in the past. There was no need for the US to step in as world cop.

Yeah, I mean, all those torture chambers and prisons full of political naysayers were being trimmed... <sigh>

Yeah, that's what I said. There's a lot more going on in other parts of the world (Sudan anyone?) but the US picks Iraq? Please. It wasn't about liberating the Iraqis, removing Saddam, nor about installing democracy. Stop blowing smoke up peoples' asses.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: conjur
How many times do I have to embarrass you on this?

CHAPTER ONE: BASIC PRINCIPLES
Article (1): The Republic of Iraq is an independent, sovereign nation, and the system of rule in it is a democratic, federal, representative (parliamentary) republic.
Article (2):
1st
Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.
(c) No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined in this constitution.

Ok, so that is indisputable proof that it is based entirely upon the Quran? What have you been smoking?

Imagine, a country that is 85%+ Muslim and Islam is the foundation. Perhaps you forget that the USA was based on the religious beliefs of our founders as well.

Of course, you purposely spin and contort everything, so I'm not surprised that you've made these connections in your deluded little mind.

Yeah, that's what I said. There's a lot more going on in other parts of the world (Sudan anyone?) but the US picks Iraq? Please. It wasn't about liberating the Iraqis, removing Saddam, nor about installing democracy. Stop blowing smoke up peoples' asses.

Nice try wiggling out of it. So by your theory, Iraq was doing a "fine job" by themselves. Right.

If it wasn't about liberation; or removal of a brutal dictator; or installation of democracy, then what WAS it all about? Oh, wait, I think I know your answer already...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: conjur
How many times do I have to embarrass you on this?

CHAPTER ONE: BASIC PRINCIPLES
Article (1): The Republic of Iraq is an independent, sovereign nation, and the system of rule in it is a democratic, federal, representative (parliamentary) republic.
Article (2):
1st
Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.
(c) No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined in this constitution.

Ok, so that is indisputable proof that it is based entirely upon the Quran? What have you been smoking?

Umm...what's Islam based upon there, skippy?

Imagine, a country that is 85%+ Muslim and Islam is the foundation. Perhaps you forget that the USA was based on the religious beliefs of our founders as well.

Guess what, skippy? Our founding fathers were not all Christian. Some even despised the Bible.

Of course, you purposely spin and contort everything, so I'm not surprised that you've made these connections in your deluded little mind.

Yeah, that's what I said. There's a lot more going on in other parts of the world (Sudan anyone?) but the US picks Iraq? Please. It wasn't about liberating the Iraqis, removing Saddam, nor about installing democracy. Stop blowing smoke up peoples' asses.

Nice try wiggling out of it. So by your theory, Iraq was doing a "fine job" by themselves. Right.

If it wasn't about liberation; or removal of a brutal dictator; or installation of democracy, then what WAS it all about? Oh, wait, I think I know your answer already...

Obvious:

1) Permanent US military presence smack dab in the Middle East with a two-fold "benefit":
a. Protect US and world interests by "stabilizing" the Middle East and its vast reserves of oil.
b. Protect Israel.
2) Spread democracy (aka Capitalism)
3) Feed the military-industrial complex.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: conjur
How many times do I have to embarrass you on this?

CHAPTER ONE: BASIC PRINCIPLES
Article (1): The Republic of Iraq is an independent, sovereign nation, and the system of rule in it is a democratic, federal, representative (parliamentary) republic.
Article (2):
1st
Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.
(c) No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined in this constitution.

Ok, so that is indisputable proof that it is based entirely upon the Quran? What have you been smoking?

Umm...what's Islam based upon there, skippy?

Imagine, a country that is 85%+ Muslim and Islam is the foundation. Perhaps you forget that the USA was based on the religious beliefs of our founders as well.

Guess what, skippy? Our founding fathers were not all Christian. Some even despised the Bible.

Of course, you purposely spin and contort everything, so I'm not surprised that you've made these connections in your deluded little mind.

Yeah, that's what I said. There's a lot more going on in other parts of the world (Sudan anyone?) but the US picks Iraq? Please. It wasn't about liberating the Iraqis, removing Saddam, nor about installing democracy. Stop blowing smoke up peoples' asses.

Nice try wiggling out of it. So by your theory, Iraq was doing a "fine job" by themselves. Right.

If it wasn't about liberation; or removal of a brutal dictator; or installation of democracy, then what WAS it all about? Oh, wait, I think I know your answer already...

Obvious:

1) Permanent US military presence smack dab in the Middle East with a two-fold "benefit":
a. Protect US and world interests by "stabilizing" the Middle East and its vast reserves of oil.
b. Protect Israel.
2) Spread democracy (aka Capitalism)
3) Feed the military-industrial complex.

Hey "skippy" - you keep forgetting to bold this:
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.

Where are your claims that Iraq is a Democracy? Oh that's right, storm clouds.:roll:

 

[Red Dawn]

Again the American Public didn't support the invasion of Iraq so it could become a Democracy, we supported it because we were misled into believing that Saddam had mass quantities of WMD's and was a threat to our national security. Getting rid of Hussien and trying to turn Iraq into a Democracy is nice but I can assure you that if the Dub had tried to sell the war on that instead of the BS about WMD's, Ties with Al Qaeda and all that other happy horsesh!t that turned out to be false there wouldn't be American troops over there right now.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: conjur
How many times do I have to embarrass you on this?

CHAPTER ONE: BASIC PRINCIPLES
Article (1): The Republic of Iraq is an independent, sovereign nation, and the system of rule in it is a democratic, federal, representative (parliamentary) republic.
Article (2):
1st
Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.
(c) No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined in this constitution.

Ok, so that is indisputable proof that it is based entirely upon the Quran? What have you been smoking?

Umm...what's Islam based upon there, skippy?

Imagine, a country that is 85%+ Muslim and Islam is the foundation. Perhaps you forget that the USA was based on the religious beliefs of our founders as well.

Guess what, skippy? Our founding fathers were not all Christian. Some even despised the Bible.

Of course, you purposely spin and contort everything, so I'm not surprised that you've made these connections in your deluded little mind.

Yeah, that's what I said. There's a lot more going on in other parts of the world (Sudan anyone?) but the US picks Iraq? Please. It wasn't about liberating the Iraqis, removing Saddam, nor about installing democracy. Stop blowing smoke up peoples' asses.

Nice try wiggling out of it. So by your theory, Iraq was doing a "fine job" by themselves. Right.

If it wasn't about liberation; or removal of a brutal dictator; or installation of democracy, then what WAS it all about? Oh, wait, I think I know your answer already...

Obvious:

1) Permanent US military presence smack dab in the Middle East with a two-fold "benefit":
a. Protect US and world interests by "stabilizing" the Middle East and its vast reserves of oil.
b. Protect Israel.
2) Spread democracy (aka Capitalism)
3) Feed the military-industrial complex.

Hey "skippy" - you keep forgetting to bold this:
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.

Where are your claims that Iraq is a Democracy? Oh that's right, storm clouds.:roll:

No true democracy can have a religion as the basis for its legislation.

Go look at the women's rights groups (esp. those from within Iraq, including the woman who sat next to the First Lady at the SotU speech) criticisms of the "democracy" being setup. Look at what's going on in Basra with Talibanesque enforcement of Islamic law (Sharia).

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: conjur
No true democracy can have a religion as the basis for its legislation.

<sigh>

The problem is you expect them to have Democracy as we know it.

We are not 85%+ Muslim. Muslim people intertwine faith and life much tighter than we do here, regardless of your faith (or lack of it).

You cannot expect a country that has only known brutal dictatorship for its entire existence to turn around in a years' time and become a full-fledged "true" Democracy. Nor can you expect said Democracy to be equal to ours here. That would be asinine.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: conjur
No true democracy can have a religion as the basis for its legislation.

<sigh>

The problem is you expect them to have Democracy as we know it.

We are not 85%+ Muslim. Muslim people intertwine faith and life much tighter than we do here, regardless of your faith (or lack of it).

You cannot expect a country that has only known brutal dictatorship for its entire existence to turn around in a years' time and become a full-fledged "true" Democracy. Nor can you expect said Democracy to be equal to ours here. That would be asinine.

And where did I ever say I expected this to happen? You see, I'm not one of the PNAC ideologues that DID think it could happen. Remember "flowers and kisses"?


Pfffft.


Fvcking idiots.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: conjur
Fvcking idiots.

Precisely as expected. You follow a predictable pattern.

Dismissed.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Again the American Public didn't support the invasion of Iraq so it could become a Democracy, we supported it because we were misled into believing that Saddam had mass quantities of WMD's and was a threat to our national security. Getting rid of Hussien and trying to turn Iraq into a Democracy is nice but I can assure you that if the Dub had tried to sell the war on that instead of the BS about WMD's, Ties with Al Qaeda and all that other happy horsesh!t that turned out to be false there wouldn't be American troops over there right now.

 

[Rainsford]

See, you guys SAY "the left hates America"...but what I hear is "my head is crammed up Sean Hannity's ass". There is no other explanation, this topic has been covered again and again and again and again and again. And each time it goes pretty much the same. Some nimrod suggests that the left hates America, usually involving some combination of how you can't be anti-Bush AND anti-terrorist, or trying to paint extremists as part of the mainstream left. And each time, someone points out how both of these arguments make no sense. Yet for some reason, I don't think there is a single one of you who gets it.

Seriously, being that dumb should really hurt more.

 

[Polish3d]

Nice to see your truer nature come out now that you've left those phony arguments of the other thread behind Rainsford

Your post above is moronic also, as this thread has nothing to do with being anti-Bush or anti-terrorist.

Its questioning how someone can be pro-terrorist and pro-peace if anything.


I've seen pages of btching, insults, but not a single person who will address Moore's claims that Iraqi insurgents are the equivalent of the minutemen of early America, and that they will win.


Are you prepared to call Moore an extremist? Why was he next to an ex-US president at the convention? Why was his premiere of Fahrenheit 9/11 a press event because prominent democratic leadership attended? Doesn't sound THAT fringe to me




If you don't care to address it, skip this thread. Its ridiculous for you to bemoan the lack of good debate in here and then sling personal insults while adding nothing of any value.

 

[umbrella39]

So many EBT's, so little time. :roll:

 

[Eeezee]

Another case of a hot-headed writer that can't use logic or reason to create even a modest defense for our presence in Iraq. Yes, attack people like Moore, Evans, and Sheehan (who no one cares about anyway) and call them terrorists because they don't share your viewpoint.

That's very mature.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: conjur
Go look at the women's rights groups (esp. those from within Iraq, including the woman who sat next to the First Lady at the SotU speech) criticisms of the "democracy" being setup. Look at what's going on in Basra with Talibanesque enforcement of Islamic law (Sharia).

I'm glad you have taken it upon yourself to define democracy for the Iraqi people.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: zendari
I'm glad you have taken it upon yourself to define democracy for the Iraqi people.

You missed the memo -- the sky is falling!!!

Iraq's Constitution is really a secret page in the Quran! It's a top-secret conspiracy by those nasty Republicans!

</end sarcasm>

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
Go look at the women's rights groups (esp. those from within Iraq, including the woman who sat next to the First Lady at the SotU speech) criticisms of the "democracy" being setup. Look at what's going on in Basra with Talibanesque enforcement of Islamic law (Sharia).

I'm glad you have taken it upon yourself to define democracy for the Iraqi people.

I'm glad you're still trolling with your ignorance. It amuses me greatly.

 

[feralkid]

Welcome back, RIP!





:roll:

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Welcome back, RIP!





:roll:

Talking about Frackal?
Well, his timing is not to his advantage :/.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: conjur
How many times do I have to embarrass you on this?

CHAPTER ONE: BASIC PRINCIPLES
Article (1): The Republic of Iraq is an independent, sovereign nation, and the system of rule in it is a democratic, federal, representative (parliamentary) republic.
Article (2):
1st
Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.
(c) No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined in this constitution.

Ok, so that is indisputable proof that it is based entirely upon the Quran? What have you been smoking?

Umm...what's Islam based upon there, skippy?

Imagine, a country that is 85%+ Muslim and Islam is the foundation. Perhaps you forget that the USA was based on the religious beliefs of our founders as well.

Guess what, skippy? Our founding fathers were not all Christian. Some even despised the Bible.

Of course, you purposely spin and contort everything, so I'm not surprised that you've made these connections in your deluded little mind.

Yeah, that's what I said. There's a lot more going on in other parts of the world (Sudan anyone?) but the US picks Iraq? Please. It wasn't about liberating the Iraqis, removing Saddam, nor about installing democracy. Stop blowing smoke up peoples' asses.

Nice try wiggling out of it. So by your theory, Iraq was doing a "fine job" by themselves. Right.

If it wasn't about liberation; or removal of a brutal dictator; or installation of democracy, then what WAS it all about? Oh, wait, I think I know your answer already...

Obvious:

1) Permanent US military presence smack dab in the Middle East with a two-fold "benefit":
a. Protect US and world interests by "stabilizing" the Middle East and its vast reserves of oil.
b. Protect Israel.
2) Spread democracy (aka Capitalism)
3) Feed the military-industrial complex.

Hey "skippy" - you keep forgetting to bold this:
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.

Where are your claims that Iraq is a Democracy? Oh that's right, storm clouds.:roll:

No true democracy can have a religion as the basis for its legislation.

Go look at the women's rights groups (esp. those from within Iraq, including the woman who sat next to the First Lady at the SotU speech) criticisms of the "democracy" being setup. Look at what's going on in Basra with Talibanesque enforcement of Islamic law (Sharia).

In YOUR opinion it can't.

Then you go and point to women's rights. Do not remember our own country's history with "rights"? And not just women's rights mind you. Were we not a Democracy until "rights" were equal for minorities and women? (don't play the "we're a republic card either - this isn't a discussion about that)

It seems you see nothing but tornadoes and lightning in the puffy clouds in the sky. Disgusting.

 

[conjur]

Oh look. Mr. RW talking point parrot is back with more of his "disgusting" meme crap.


Run along, sir troll.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh look. Mr. RW talking point parrot is back with more of his "disgusting" meme crap.


Run along, sir troll.

Hey look, it's the LIAR who can't support his BS so he has to resort to name-calling and trolling. I guess people fall back on what comes natural when they are backed into a corner.

 

[conjur]

Yeah...calling me disgusting isn't name-calling? Geez...what a fvcking hypocritical troll.


Seriously, the mods should have permabanned you before but you found some way back.