Good 5970 vs. 480 reviews? Who's the peoples' champ

[Obsoleet]

I didn't see a lot of 5970 and 480 reviews, and this is the real battle.. single card vs single card to see who's the king of the hill right now. I only read HardOCPs article, and was disappointed to see the 5870 pitted against the 480 when the 5970 is the real competition.
I remember when the 5870 had to beat the 295 definitively to gain the crown, so I'd like to see if Nvidia beat ATI by the standards that were set at that time. I don't know a lot of great review sites that can be trusted like HardOCP.

Thanks in advance.

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-ViRGE

 

[dflynchimp]

It's not too hard to take the 480 VS 5870 numbers and compare them to 5870 vs 5970 numbers then extrapolate the result.

Bottom line is 5970 is still the clear single card leader as of status quo. However it is still a 2-chip card and thus can't be compared against the 480 fairly. It's also not in my expectations to see a 2-chip 4XX derivative anytime soon due to low yields and high power. Even when it does appear it will be throttled back similar to how 5970 technically isn't running at 5870X2 specs.

It doesn't matter who owns the performance crown to me. I'm more worried about price/performance and power/heat. Whoever has the best balance when I decide to buy will get my chunk of wallet-flesh.

 

[lavaheadache]

. It's also not in my expectations to see a 2-chip 4XX derivative anytime soon due to low yields and high power. .

I would love to see the friggin single core cards.

I was actually excited that the launch was finally here, until there were still no cards available. I realize that there are some on ebay but I'll pass on that jazz. I was gonna buy a Fermi card but just got fed up and bought a 5870, will be here tomorrow..... maybe I'll go crossfire too

 

[konakona]

I think people's champ from this gen would be 5850 but that could be just me

 

[zerocool84]

I think people's champ from this gen would be 5850 but that could be just me

Well yes cus it has the most bang for the buck single card but 2 5770's is even better bang for the buck.

 

[x3sphere]

The 5970 walks over the GTX480. I wouldn't compare the two, considering one is dual GPU and the other is not.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The 5970 walks over the GTX480. I wouldn't compare the two, considering one is dual GPU and the other is not.

I wouldn't avoid comparrisons due to the dual GPU vs. single GPU. But, they do occupy different price points for a reason. It's like comparring a GTS250 to a Radeon 4890... they occupy different segments of the market.

 

[MisterDonut]

I think people's champ from this gen would be 5850 but that could be just me

^. I approve.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I didn't see a lot of 5970 and 480 reviews, and this is the real battle.. single card vs single card to see who's the king of the hill right now. I only read HardOCPs article, and was disappointed to see the 5870 pitted against the 480 when the 5970 is the real competition.
I remember when the 5870 had to beat the 295 definitively to gain the crown, so I'd like to see if Nvidia beat ATI by the standards that were set at that time. I don't know a lot of great review sites that can be trusted like HardOCP.

Thanks in advance.

5870 is much closer to the GTX295 than the GTX480 is to the 5970.

That's why you don't see to many comparisons including those two.

 

[konakona]

Well yes cus it has the most bang for the buck single card but 2 5770's is even better bang for the buck.

I knew someone would say that. Agreed, but many including myself still have some reservations against going multi-GPU. Definitely better value to be had with the 5770s though.

 

[bossqueen]

As I know from the internet, 5970 beats GTX480
and the other result is that
5970 > GTX480 > 5870 > GTX 470 > 5850

 

[Qbah]

The HD5970 totally destroys a GTX480. The green card is a lot closer to a HD5870 than it is to the dual-GPU monster. So it's like:

HD5970 >>> GTX480 > HD5870 > GTX470 > HD5850

 

[Keysplayr]

In September, when the 5870 launched, you felt a bit different about comparing a dual GPU card to a single one. In this case, GTX295 vs. HD5870.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=28659469&postcount=499

So according to you, we should be comparing 5970 to SLI'd GTX480s ?

Straighten us out here.

Keep in mind that I'm not disputing that AMD has the performance crown with the 5970 as far as a single card goes. Just as I didn't dispute the 5870 had the single GPU performance crown when it launched, or that Nvidia held the single card crown when the 5870 launched. Single GPU which you describe as not having all "the pitfalls of a multi-GPU solution" goes to the 480 at this point in time.

 

[ArchAngel777]

In September, when the 5870 launched, you felt a bit different about comparing a dual GPU card to a single one. In this case, GTX295 vs. HD5870.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=28659469&postcount=499

So according to you, we should be comparing 5970 to SLI'd GTX480s ?

Straighten us out here.

Keep in mind that I'm not disputing that AMD has the performance crown with the 5970 as far as a single card goes. Just as I didn't dispute the 5870 had the single GPU performance crown when it launched, or that Nvidia held the single card crown when the 5870 launched. Single GPU which you describe as not having all "the pitfalls of a multi-GPU solution" goes to the 480 at this point in time.

*Thumbs up*

 

[Qbah]

In September, when the 5870 launched, you felt a bit different about comparing a dual GPU card to a single one. In this case, GTX295 vs. HD5870.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=28659469&postcount=499

Not directed at me, but anyway... I did not say I would go with it - the question is about the fastest card ('the champ').

I personally wouldn't go with a dual-GPU card. It's just my way. But it doesn't change the fact that it's the fastest solution by far right now (and that's the question). If I were to buy right now with no money limit, I'd probably go with the GTX480 as it is the fastest single GPU (and would have enough muscle for 1920x1080 - my gaming resolution). It's not the champ though. There's a difference - mostly about personal preference. Though idle noise is a huge factor for me, so I'd have to hear the card first (and then might decide to go with a HD5870). But this is not the topic here - it's about the champion, which without a shadow of doubt is the HD5970.

Now, the GTX295 and a HD5870 were very close in performance when the red card launched. Hence you got almost the same performance in a one-GPU solution (with other perks too - cooler, more modern, more quiet, less power hungry and no real downsides). However. the HD5970 is a different league of performance. It's like comparing a HD4870x2 and a GTX285. I'd go with the green card if I had to make a choice, but that doesn't change the fact that the better card for most people is the dual-GPU solution (and it was the champ until GTX295 launched).

"People's champ" is probably the HD5850 Best bang for buck So neither of the two mentioned...

However, based on the link you gave, it's about personal choice for the OP. Does a GTX480 offer enough for him to choose it over a HD5970? A HD5870 did, when compared to a GTX295. However, the choice back then was pretty obvious - the Radeon offered so much more with just a slight speed decrease. And was cheaper. This time it is not. Speed only matters? HD5970. Other things? No idea - his criteria, his choice

 

[dug777]

In September, when the 5870 launched, you felt a bit different about comparing a dual GPU card to a single one. In this case, GTX295 vs. HD5870.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=28659469&postcount=499

So according to you, we should be comparing 5970 to SLI'd GTX480s ?

Straighten us out here.

Keep in mind that I'm not disputing that AMD has the performance crown with the 5970 as far as a single card goes. Just as I didn't dispute the 5870 had the single GPU performance crown when it launched, or that Nvidia held the single card crown when the 5870 launched. Single GPU which you describe as not having all "the pitfalls of a multi-GPU solution" goes to the 480 at this point in time.

Another vote for the 5850 being the people's champ, although I have high hopes that real world GTX 470 prices will sharpen up considerably in the next couple of months. Here in Aus it ain't pretty

EDIT: not to say that I don't agree with everything you said there

 

[Gikaseixas]

In September, when the 5870 launched, you felt a bit different about comparing a dual GPU card to a single one. In this case, GTX295 vs. HD5870.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=28659469&postcount=499

So according to you, we should be comparing 5970 to SLI'd GTX480s ?

Straighten us out here.

Keep in mind that I'm not disputing that AMD has the performance crown with the 5970 as far as a single card goes. Just as I didn't dispute the 5870 had the single GPU performance crown when it launched, or that Nvidia held the single card crown when the 5870 launched. Single GPU which you describe as not having all "the pitfalls of a multi-GPU solution" goes to the 480 at this point in time.

Ouch

 

[solofly]

Another vote for the 5850 being the people's champ,

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1511415

 

[dug777]

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1511415

I think I'd like a 5850 with the voltage control after reading that.

Do you know if these two model numbers of 5850 have voltage control?

http://austin.net.au/ProductList/ProductDetail/tabid/104/ProductCode/GC58501GSA50R/Default.aspx

Sapphire ATI HD 5850 1GB 256-bit DDR5, PCI-E, 725/4000MHz [21162-00-50R or 11162-00-50R]

EDIT: that site also gives you an idea how bad our prices are here...that 5850 is a bargain at 359 USD (currently according to google)

 

[solofly]

Sorry I don't...

 

[dug777]

Sorry I don't...

No worries mate, will make sure I look into it very carefully before I make the plunge!

 

[SlowSpyder]

In September, when the 5870 launched, you felt a bit different about comparing a dual GPU card to a single one. In this case, GTX295 vs. HD5870.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=28659469&postcount=499

So according to you, we should be comparing 5970 to SLI'd GTX480s ?

Straighten us out here.

Keep in mind that I'm not disputing that AMD has the performance crown with the 5970 as far as a single card goes. Just as I didn't dispute the 5870 had the single GPU performance crown when it launched, or that Nvidia held the single card crown when the 5870 launched. Single GPU which you describe as not having all "the pitfalls of a multi-GPU solution" goes to the 480 at this point in time.

The thing is, when comparing a 5870 to a GTX295, though the GTX295 was faster overall, they were so very close in performance that I think most people would rather have the single GPU as we all know multi GPU potentially has a few issues. I'd take a 5870 over a GTX295 any day... you get 95% of the performance without any multi GPU issues.

Now the Radeon 5970 is a bit different. It's in a league of it's own as far as performance goes... no single card is even close to it. So, while the GTX480 is the fastest single GPU (though it has it's own issues with heat/power/noise, but we'll ignore that for this conversation) it's not even close to the 5970. I think that makes this scenario different than the GTX295 vs. 5870 conversation since those two were so very close in performance.

I'm not speaking for Obsoleet at all, he can put his foot in his mouth or explain things if he wants. But, I do think that the GTX480 vs. the 5970 is a completely different situation than the GTX295 vs. the 5870.

 

[Keysplayr]

Reverse your comparison. GTX495 exists and the 5970 does not. Fair to compare?

 

[yh125d]

I don't think it's fair to compare 480 and 5970, they're in different price brackets

 

[shangshang]

Oh c'mon now if you put the e-peen aside and go with brain, the mostly obvious choice is 5850 today... and 5850 Xfire tomorrow.

It's financally sound with flexible upgrade path providing plenty of horse power. Will destroy anything out there in the price/performance category. What's not to like??? Oh wait, gotta stroke that e-peen right.