Goldman Sachs posts $1.8 billion profit

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http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/1...postversion=2009041317

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Goldman Sachs reported a much stronger-than-expected first-quarter profit Monday, bouncing back from its worst quarter as a public company.

Goldman (GS, Fortune 500) also set plans to raise $5 billion through a sale of stock, saying it wants to become the first big bank to repay the federal loans extended during last fall's financial sector meltdown.

In reporting its results a day earlier than expected, New York-based Goldman said it earned $1.81 billion, or $3.39 a share, for the quarter ended March 31. Analysts surveyed by Thomson Financial were looking for a profit of $1.64 a share.

Goldman shares, which have surged more than 70% during the past month, continued rising late Monday, gaining about 4.7% for the day. Shares were down slightly in after-hours trading.

0:00 /03:16Goldman sets earnings tone
With the results, Goldman (GS, Fortune 500) bounced back decisively from the last quarter of 2008, when it posted its only quarterly loss since becoming a public company in 1999.

The firm said the latest quarter's gains were driven by big profits in its fixed income business, where revenue surged to $6.56 billion - 34% above the previous record.

"Given the difficult market conditions, we are pleased with this quarter's performance," said CEO Lloyd Blankfein in a statement.

In addition to the record fixed income revenue, which Goldman said was driven by "strong performance in interest rate products, commodities and credit products," Goldman also posted $7.15 billion in trading and principal investment revenue.

But Goldman's principal investments lost $1.41 billion during the quarter, reflecting losses on real estate and a stake in a Chinese bank.

Revenue in Goldman's financial advisory and investment banking businesses declined by 21% and 30% from a year ago, as dealmaking declined, while revenue in its asset management business fell 29%, reflecting the plunge in stock prices over the past year.

Goldman's results come on the heels of last week's announcement from Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500) that its first-quarter earnings would be much stronger-than-expected, and just ahead of reports scheduled later this week from JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) and Citigroup (C, Fortune 500).

Goldman's numbers aren't strictly comparable with the results of its fiscal 2008 first quarter, because the first quarter marks the first full period since Goldman and rival Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500) became bank holding companies. They made that shift last fall, in a bid to ease investor concerns about their access to funding.

As a result of their changed status, both firms committed to report their financial results on a calendar-year basis -- a departure from their previous practice of using a fiscal year that ended in November.

Looking to pay back TARP
Goldman received $10 billion in funding from the Treasury Department last year as part of the government's Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP.

While Goldman will still need the approval of regulators at Treasury and the Federal Reserve to repay the TARP money , Monday's announcement is the strongest indication yet of how eager Goldman is to return the funds.

The bank had previously indicated its desire to repay funds but had otherwise avoided making definitive statements about when it would do so.

Goldman's co-president, Gary Cohn, said at a conference last month that he didn't expect any banks to repay TARP funds until after they report first-quarter earnings and regulators have revealed the results of the stress tests they are conducting on big banking companies.

But that changed with Monday's announcement.

"After the completion of the stress assessment, if permitted by our supervisors and if supported by the results of the stress assessment, Goldman Sachs would like to use the capital raised plus additional resources to redeem all of the TARP capital," the company said in a statement about the stock offering.


Always good to hear a little bit of good news in these troubled times. Hope some other banks and investment firms can ride the good news and recover a bit themselves.
 

Dari

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I wonder how much of this came from AIG and other institutions we bailed out?
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Dari
I wonder how much of this came from AIG and other institutions we bailed out?

i'm sure that several other bailed out institutions payed up on the contractual obligations to GS, which of course was the entire purpose behind TARP. You know, to prevent that systemic risk thing
 

JJChicken

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Originally posted by: Dari
I wonder how much of this came from AIG and other institutions we bailed out?

They should return ALL profits they got from being counterparties to AIG and other institutions. Its utter BULLSHIT that the government should give TAXPAYER's money to bail out firms so that the money ultimately goes to these greedy scums of the earth. They knew should've known the risks when they contracted with AIG and they should bear the losses. :|
 

JJChicken

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Dari
I wonder how much of this came from AIG and other institutions we bailed out?

i'm sure that several other bailed out institutions payed up on the contractual obligations to GS, which of course was the entire purpose behind TARP. You know, to prevent that systemic risk thing

*&^#& BULLSHIT IF YOU ASK ME.

/capslock
 

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http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/2...nies/goldman_aig.reut/

Investment banking firm says it did nothing wrong when it received $12.9 billion to close out trades with the ailing insurer.

Goldman reiterated it would not have been hurt by AIG's failure because its exposure was either fully collateralized or hedged. Viniar also stressed that Goldman (GS, Fortune 500) had no direct exposure to AIG as a result, though he added that an AIG (AIG, Fortune 500) failure would have disrupted the world's financial markets and likely cause indirect harm.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com...out-saved-goldman.html

The only Wall Street chief executive participating in the meeting was Lloyd C. Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, Mr. Paulson?s former firm. Mr. Blankfein had particular reason for concern.


so the firm had no direct exposure, yet hammered out the terms of the government bailout
 

fallenangel99

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GS just wants to pack back the TARP money ASAP because it doesnt like the restrictions the gov't put in place (executive pay, 953 employees got over $1 MIL, etc.) for entities who receive bailout money
 

RightIsWrong

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Let's not let it go without saying that they are diluting their common stock to repay TARP funds also so that they can get back to those cushy 7/8 figure bonuses.

They are also more of a creditor bank and not a neighborhood bank so they are also getting their funds to lend at 0% interest. Pretty easy to make money when you don't owe the people (Fed/taxpayers) a penny for fronting you the capital to finance your operation.
 

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Originally posted by: aphex
http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/1...postversion=2009041317

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Goldman Sachs reported a much stronger-than-expected first-quarter profit Monday, bouncing back from its worst quarter as a public company.

Goldman (GS, Fortune 500) also set plans to raise $5 billion through a sale of stock, saying it wants to become the first big bank to repay the federal loans extended during last fall's financial sector meltdown.

In reporting its results a day earlier than expected, New York-based Goldman said it earned $1.81 billion, or $3.39 a share, for the quarter ended March 31. Analysts surveyed by Thomson Financial were looking for a profit of $1.64 a share.

Goldman shares, which have surged more than 70% during the past month, continued rising late Monday, gaining about 4.7% for the day. Shares were down slightly in after-hours trading.

0:00 /03:16Goldman sets earnings tone
With the results, Goldman (GS, Fortune 500) bounced back decisively from the last quarter of 2008, when it posted its only quarterly loss since becoming a public company in 1999.

The firm said the latest quarter's gains were driven by big profits in its fixed income business, where revenue surged to $6.56 billion - 34% above the previous record.

"Given the difficult market conditions, we are pleased with this quarter's performance," said CEO Lloyd Blankfein in a statement.

In addition to the record fixed income revenue, which Goldman said was driven by "strong performance in interest rate products, commodities and credit products," Goldman also posted $7.15 billion in trading and principal investment revenue.

But Goldman's principal investments lost $1.41 billion during the quarter, reflecting losses on real estate and a stake in a Chinese bank.

Revenue in Goldman's financial advisory and investment banking businesses declined by 21% and 30% from a year ago, as dealmaking declined, while revenue in its asset management business fell 29%, reflecting the plunge in stock prices over the past year.

Goldman's results come on the heels of last week's announcement from Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500) that its first-quarter earnings would be much stronger-than-expected, and just ahead of reports scheduled later this week from JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) and Citigroup (C, Fortune 500).

Goldman's numbers aren't strictly comparable with the results of its fiscal 2008 first quarter, because the first quarter marks the first full period since Goldman and rival Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500) became bank holding companies. They made that shift last fall, in a bid to ease investor concerns about their access to funding.

As a result of their changed status, both firms committed to report their financial results on a calendar-year basis -- a departure from their previous practice of using a fiscal year that ended in November.

Looking to pay back TARP
Goldman received $10 billion in funding from the Treasury Department last year as part of the government's Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP.

While Goldman will still need the approval of regulators at Treasury and the Federal Reserve to repay the TARP money , Monday's announcement is the strongest indication yet of how eager Goldman is to return the funds.

The bank had previously indicated its desire to repay funds but had otherwise avoided making definitive statements about when it would do so.

Goldman's co-president, Gary Cohn, said at a conference last month that he didn't expect any banks to repay TARP funds until after they report first-quarter earnings and regulators have revealed the results of the stress tests they are conducting on big banking companies.

But that changed with Monday's announcement.

"After the completion of the stress assessment, if permitted by our supervisors and if supported by the results of the stress assessment, Goldman Sachs would like to use the capital raised plus additional resources to redeem all of the TARP capital," the company said in a statement about the stock offering.


Always good to hear a little bit of good news in these troubled times. Hope some other banks and investment firms can ride the good news and recover a bit themselves.

Ride or hide?

Another glowing financial hmmm me thinks they are cooking the books in new creative ways or rule changes.
 

tvarad

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Why do I get the feeling that this is creative accounting at best or funny money at worst? Anyway, I think the next step is to ensure that behemoths without accountability that hold the world at ransom are placed under strong regulation. Also, the government should actively encourage the sprouting of more Wall Street investment firms under similar regulation so that there is more competition as well as to keep Wall Street honest (that's an oxymoron, I know).
 

PricklyPete

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No matter where you stand on how backwards the bailouts were and how they result in profits at companies like GS, it is undeniable that this will have a positive affect on the economy overall. So as much against the bailouts as I am...I'm happy that we're finally hearing some good news...hopefully this will build confidence in the market and in consumers.
 

GoPackGo

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They want to pay back what they got as a LOAN from the government and yet people still complain.
 

StageLeft

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Something smells fishy here. How is GS making awesome profits if things were so dire? Couldn't be because money was thrown at them, was it? Or maybe they weren't so dire?
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Something smells fishy here. How is GS making awesome profits if things were so dire? Couldn't be because money was thrown at them, was it? Or maybe they weren't so dire?

A lot of banks were asked/coerced into taking TARP funds because general industry acceptance of those funds would help avoid making TARP funds a scarlet letter in the banking industry. No idea whether GS was one of the former or latter.

Goldman Sachs: Profits Up. Salaries Also Up. Take That, Treasury!

Goldman raised money from Warren Buffett last year partially to take less in TARP funds; now Goldman is the first big bank to rush to pay that TARP money back with a $5 billion capital-raise. It makes sense: without TARP funds to worry about, Goldman does not have to pinch pennies excessively or prepare itself for 90% bonus taxes.

Goldman is also taking more and bigger risks, a sure way to tick off the government. Goldman increased its daily value-at-risk, which measures the average trading loss Goldman could take on 95% of the trading days. That VaR, as it is known, jumped to $240 million in the first quarter compared to $157 million for same time in 2008.

It sounds like they're playing a bit more dangerously in order to capitalize on current market conditions - this should have top talent lining up around the block to come work at GS instead of wherever they're at currently.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Something smells fishy here. How is GS making awesome profits if things were so dire? Couldn't be because money was thrown at them, was it? Or maybe they weren't so dire?

New M2M guidelines in effect?
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Something smells fishy here. How is GS making awesome profits if things were so dire? Couldn't be because money was thrown at them, was it? Or maybe they weren't so dire?

New M2M guidelines in effect?

Congress pressuring the FASB to relax its standards. Geez, I can't imagine anything going wrong here:roll:

If I was an investor, I certainly wouldn't trust their numbers.

Our government has learned nothing from this financial crisis.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Something smells fishy here. How is GS making awesome profits if things were so dire? Couldn't be because money was thrown at them, was it? Or maybe they weren't so dire?

New M2M guidelines in effect?

Congress pressuring the FASB to relax its standards. Geez, I can't imagine anything going wrong here:roll:

If I was an investor, I certainly wouldn't trust their numbers.

Our government has learned nothing from this financial crisis.

What numbers do you trust? The numbers required to sell to a hedge fund that uses a discount rate of 30% on any cashflows and knows, since this is a dire situation and banks need liquidity, that that discount rate is now 50%?

Wow, what a great way of running your economy, price everything to hedge fund levels!

BTW, if you own a car, I require you to mark it to market, right now, and put up extra collateral if you aren't at an 80% LTV.
 

theeedude

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Looks like now that the losses have been socialized, it's time to privatize the gains again.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like now that the losses have been socialized, it's time to privatize the gains again.

what part of repaying the government didn't you get?
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like now that the losses have been socialized, it's time to privatize the gains again.

What % of taxpayer revenue that went to bailing out goldman, own goldman stock, or are affected by goldman's ability to originate loans and generate liquidity in the market?

Additionally, is goldman not paying back TARP funds?

I know it's "cool" to be a populist tool, but do you really have to drag your knuckles this far?
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Something smells fishy here. How is GS making awesome profits if things were so dire? Couldn't be because money was thrown at them, was it? Or maybe they weren't so dire?

New M2M guidelines in effect?

Congress pressuring the FASB to relax its standards. Geez, I can't imagine anything going wrong here:roll:

If I was an investor, I certainly wouldn't trust their numbers.

Our government has learned nothing from this financial crisis.

What numbers do you trust? The numbers required to sell to a hedge fund that uses a discount rate of 30% on any cashflows and knows, since this is a dire situation and banks need liquidity, that that discount rate is now 50%?

Wow, what a great way of running your economy, price everything to hedge fund levels!

BTW, if you own a car, I require you to mark it to market, right now, and put up extra collateral if you aren't at an 80% LTV.

I would trust my own numbers after I run an audit of the company (provided they let me see their books).

BTW, letting the banks not M2M is a great incentive for them to keep the bad loans on their balance sheets, prolonging the crisis and undermining Geithner's plan. I can't see this helping to expedite the resolution of the crisis.