Going to War With NVIDIA

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The United States Department Of Justice Antitrust Division is Investigating NVIDIA and ATI for price fixing.

In addition there are activities that suggest a deeper investigation on NVIDIA relating to their drivers, and software and feature support on other vendors core logic chipsets.


Excerpted from my letter to USDOJ-ATD and Michigan Attorney General:

NVIDIA has engaged in illegal anti-competitive practices that violate Anti-trust laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust

Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good

By forcing the purchase of NVIDIA Core Logic Chipsets in order to maintain features in their Graphics Cards as well as locking out competitors Core Logic Chipsets in their Graphics Card Driver Software.
Also by denying Driver support of certain features on competitors Core Logic Chipsets.

Vendor lock-in -
Is a situation in which a customer is so dependent on a vendor for products and services that he or she cannot move to another vendor without substantial switching costs, real and/or perceived

By forcing the purchase of NVIDIA Core Logic Chipsets in order to maintain features in their Graphics Cards as well as locking out competitors Core Logic Chipsets in their Graphics Card Driver Software.
Also by denying Driver support of certain features on competitors Core Logic Chipsets.


?The changing definition of ?SLI? (Scaleable Link Interface)

Newer supporting graphics card drivers ?Lock-Out SLI Functionality on Competitors Core Logic Chipsets.? (IE: Intel 975x)

On the rear panel of the boxes, there is product information collateral that NVIDIA Corp.
feeds to the partners, that manufacture, and distribute NVIDIA-based PCI Express graphics cards.

In the Personal Computer industry it is routine for AMD, Intel, ATI etc. to provide verbatim collateral that their partners must use in all forms of advertising and product information, provided during the sales phase to the potential/prospective customer.

This explanation of what SLI is appears on the rear panel of my product box:

?What is SLI ? How does it Work?
An NVIDIA SLI system requires a PCI Express motherboard that supports two physical connectors that are capable of having two NVIDIA-based PCI Express graphics cards plugged into them. Joined by the NVIDIA SLI connector, the two graphics cards power one monitor, delivering earth shattering PC performance. SLI requires a PCI Express motherboard, and both graphics cards must be the exact same model number and from the same vendor. For example, two GeForce 7800 GT OC PCI Express cards from BFG Technologies.?

NVIDIA produces GPU chips, and does proof of concept development that the partners use in the development of their product. The consumer depends upon NVIDIA for graphics driver software.

(See Scanned Box Images Below)

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/9237/whatisslikf4.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5627/systemrequirementsmk2.jpg


PCI/SIG http://www.pcisig.com/home is the PCI Express interoperability specifications consortium that assures add-on card communications protocols are compatible thru all PC platforms.

All PCI Express motherboards and Graphics Cards are built to be compliant to that specification regardless of core logic chipset, or manufacturer.

My graphics cards will not function in SLI mode with this (Intel 975x)Core Logic Chipset with current NVIDIA Graphics Drivers.

NVIDIA has changed the definition of SLI since the purchase of my graphics cards, and locked out competitive compliant Core Logic Chipsets in their Graphics Drivers software. It now requires NVIDIA Core Logic Chipsets only.

This is not a hardware issue, as in the past with older video card drivers,(pre 88.55) you could edit your Windows XP registry to enable the second graphics slot.

NVIDIA in their drivers beyond 88.55 have enabled aggressive overwriting to not allow the user to alter the Windows XP registry in this manner. Editing the registry in this manner does not infringe upon NVIDIA software intellectual property, as you are editing the Windows XP registry.


Per below:

Step 1. Click the Windows' "Start" button, click on "Run", type "regedit" and click the Ok button.

Step 2. Navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Curr entControlSet\Control\Video\" where you'll find a list of keys identifying all the installed so far video cards.

Step 3. Find which are the two keys representing the currently installed 2 video cards in your system (look for "Device Description" in the \0000 under the display id key).

Step 4. Now you have to insert the following keys under the main display key (or modify their values if they are already present):

\0000
MB_Capable REG_BINARY 01 00 00 00
MB_Enable REG_BINARY 01 00 00 00

\0001
MB_Enable REG_BINARY 01 00 00 00



http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8622/reg1pe4.jpg



http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8844/reg2xw5.jpg



? In the above product information collateral no where is the phrase ?NVIDIA SLI READY? this change came later in the game, and the proper information, was never communicated properly during the sales phase, to the potential/prospective customers.

?An NVIDIA SLI system requires a PCI Express motherboard that supports two physical connectors that are capable of having two NVIDIA-based PCI Express graphics cards plugged into them.?

? This collateral came from NVIDIA and BFG tech. as a partner was required to use this collateral verbatim as supplied by their supplier.

? Because of this issue, I have no official SLI support and can only use older drivers; this limits me from upgrading to Windows Vista as I will lose SLI functionality.

? NVIDIA has effectively shielded itself from the end users, thru their manufacturing, and distribution partners that they can then ignore, as they are in effect the partners revenue source.

? BFG Technologies has attempted in good faith to influence NVIDIA but at this point this is a political issue, and BFG Technologies hands are tied.

? I personally am at a dead end from NVIDIA?s actions when it comes to something as simple as Driver Support for SLI on anyone else?s Core Logic Chipsets.

? This issue effects thousands of NVIDIA?s Partners Customers and some form of relief is needed from NVIDIA?s unscrupulous business practices.

? I have paid for the hardware and all associated rights, and am being denied proper ongoing product support and usage based upon information that was not made available during the sales phase.

? Intel developed and is the primary supporter of PCI Express

? NVIDIA Quaddro Graphics cards are not affected by the SLI Lockout on Intel Core Logic Chipsets. These are used in Enterprise CAD workstations primarily.

? NVIDIA has chosen to operate in a monopolistic fashion, and is sacrificing it?s partners? customer relationships for simple greed.

? At this point because of the Major Issues that exist with NVIDIA Core Logic I must request relief in the form of forced driver support for my Graphics Cards.



What SLI is was clearly defined in open statements on the product boxes in black and green. NVIDIA produced that collateral, and should be held responsible for the support of their products, within that clearly defined definition. The trademarked phrase ?SLI Ready? were absent from this collateral.

By attempting to subjugate that after the fact is a deplorable act, and shows total disregard for their customers, and partners.

Because of NVIDIA?s poor Core Logic Chipsets for Intel Core 2 Duo CPU?s it puts the end user in a very tough position to either buy their poor product, or loose feature support buying a competitor. Intel, pioneered and drove PCI-Express their Core Logic Chipsets are fully compliant with the specifications.
 

Wreckage

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Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
You don't have to buy a NVIDIA motherboard to use a NVIDIA card. :roll:
 

Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
You don't have to buy a NVIDIA motherboard to use a NVIDIA card. :roll:



In order to get the SLI feature to work you do..... if you want current drivers.
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
You don't have to buy a NVIDIA motherboard to use a NVIDIA card. :roll:



In order to get the SLI feature to work you do..... if you want current drivers.

Features are not part of product Tying. This post is spam at best.
 

Nelsieus

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I'd like to know where he got the information to support:

In addition there are activities that suggest a deeper investigation on NVIDIA relating to their drivers, and software and feature support on other vendors core logic chipsets.

Any sources to back that up?

Nelsieus
 

josh6079

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I never thought of it like that. Makes sense though, they changed the guidlines of SLI after they designated what was required for SLI. And it just so happenend that they changed those guidlines once a neutral chipset entered the market allowing both CrossFire and SLI functionality.

But, doesn't ATi do that too? I mean, the 975X chipset can allow CrossFire but what about the 965? 945?

Really what it seems like you are wanting is CrossFire and SLI to be a possibility no matter what Chipset is being used. Hey, we all would like that, but I think both vendors will try what they can too keep their chipset sales linked with their multi-GPU sales.
 

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Mr. Fox - Fighting for the little man, keep up the good work.

Wreckage - Your posts might hold more value "if" you weren't so biased.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: josh6079
I never thought of it like that. Makes sense though, they changed the guidlines of SLI after they designated what was required for SLI. And it just so happenend that they changed those guidlines once a neutral chipset entered the market allowing both CrossFire and SLI functionality.

But, doesn't ATi do that too? I mean, the 975X chipset can allow CrossFire but what about the 965?

My P5B-Deluxe (965)does allow Crossfire.

 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Mr. Fox - Fighting for the little man, keep up the good work.

Wreckage - Your posts might hold more value "if" you weren't so biased.

Say what you will about me, but at least contribute to the thread.

How does limiting a feature fall under anti-trust? Sounds like sour grapes to me. I won't use iTunes because it won't work on my MP3 player, however I don't think Apple should have to give away their business to other companies just to make me happy.

The whole post is pure BS and would not stand up in court or even a forum (I noticed this has been posted on other forums and was locked and or ripped apart as garbage).

Why should NVIDIA spend resources to enable their features on someone else's chipset? Charity? I'm sure if Intel were willing to fund and or pay a fee it would happen.
 

Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
You don't have to buy a NVIDIA motherboard to use a NVIDIA card. :roll:



In order to get the SLI feature to work you do..... if you want current drivers.

Features are not part of product Tying. This post is spam at best.


This is excerpted from a 25 page document that was composed at the request of the USDOJ-ATD as they are mostly Attorneys and know the law and not the commodity.
And at this point it has moved into the reality phase... so your assertation of spam is your sole interpretation. This is a parallel investigation into software feature lock-out that is being conducted by USDOJ-ATD.


Read the law .... they both apply...

Vendor lock-in is the biggest part ....



 

Aikouka

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In the beginning, Mr. Fox, SLi users were required to use SLi boards as they were the boards that included dual-PCI-E 16x connectors (not in a dual 16x configuration until the dual-16x boards came out) that used either the horizontal riser card or the on-board chip to redirect the data lanes to the 2nd PCI-E slot.

Now, you can theoretically use any board with 2 PCI-E 16x slots (I presume they'd need at least PCI-E 4x or higher bandwidth) to run SLi or Crossfire through hacked drivers.

nVidia will most likely state that they required SLi boards with either true dual-16x PCI-E lanes or switchable lanes, because it provides the proper amount of bandwidth to each card. For example, my Gigabyte GA-P965-DQ6 says it's Crossfire compatible, but it really only has a 16x slot with a 16x connector and a 4x slot with a 16x connector. They could simply come off saying that the PCI-E 4x doesn't provide enough bandwidth and they required lane redirection to achieve at least 8x on each slot.
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: Mr Fox
This is a parallel investigation into software feature lock-out

How is it a Lock-out? NVIDIA has no responsibility to develop features for competing chipsets.

Either way you lost credibility with your last statement....

Because of NVIDIA?s poor Core Logic Chipsets for Intel Core 2 Duo CPU?s it puts the end user in a very tough position to either buy their poor product, or loose feature support buying a competitor.

If you don't like their chipsets....don't use them. If the chipset you do like does not support a certain feature.....sucks to be you.
 

josh6079

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How does limiting a feature fall under anti-trust? Sounds like sour grapes to me. I won't use iTunes because it won't work on my MP3 player, however I don't think Apple should have to give way their business to other companies just to make me happy.
I see what you're saying, but I think that analogy is a little bit different than what is happening.

For instance, Apple stated that their MP3 Players would use iTunes before they started selling millions of them. Nvidia stated that in order to use SLI all one needed was two SLI capable GPU's that were of the same model with two PCI-E lanes on a PCI-E supported motherboard. After they sold millions of SLI capable cards they then redefined what the user needed in order to use SLI and stopped the support of an already working SLI setup by locking driver support at 88.55.

Mr. Fox - the only conflict I can see here is that before the Intel chipsets were released could SLI be used on anything other than an nForce chipset? I mean, part of the reason why they probably had to redefine what was required for SLI was because another capable chipset entered the market.

I'm guessing you're using 2 7800's in SLI, or wanting to, but at the time of your 7800 purchases were there any other chipsets other than the nForce ones that could allow SLI?

Perhaps we need some 8800 owners to see if the notice reads the same on their boxes?
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: josh6079
Nvidia stated that in order to use SLI all one needed was two SLI capable GPU's that were of the same model with two PCI-E lanes on a PCI-E supported motherboard.

Actually, in the beginning, you needed a SLi motherboard, because I don't recall a single board that wasn't a SLi board that came with two 16x PCI-E connectors. Also, these boards, like I mentioned above, supported lane redirection via riser card or on-board chip.
 

Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: josh6079
I never thought of it like that. Makes sense though, they changed the guidlines of SLI after they designated what was required for SLI. And it just so happenend that they changed those guidlines once a neutral chipset entered the market allowing both CrossFire and SLI functionality.

But, doesn't ATi do that too? I mean, the 975X chipset can allow CrossFire but what about the 965? 945?

Really what it seems like you are wanting is CrossFire and SLI to be a possibility no matter what Chipset is being used. Hey, we all would like that, but I think both vendors will try what they can too keep their chipset sales linked with their multi-GPU sales.



Both geese are in the pot.... I'm an BFG Tech/NVIDIA customer so letter is aimed at NV.

I love my NVIDIA Graphics Cards... But NV's Core Logic For Intel C2D frankly sucks at best.

I tryed in good faith for 6 weeks to negotiate a win/win solution at the highest levels of BFG Tech. and NV. They stuck to their guns...

Now they risk the Genie being released from the bottle.
 

DeathReborn

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If they take action to force nVidia to allow SLI on ANY chipset with 2 8x (or greater) PCI Express slots and fail to force companies like Sony and the already mentioned Apple to open their proprietary solutions then it's a crock of sh1t.

Why is it that I can't run my 2 X1800XT's in Crossfire on my nVidia chipset? nVidia blocking it or are ATi? In a perfect world we'd all be running SLI on RD600 & CF on 680i but this isn't a perfect world and we all got to live with it.

Here is what Xbit had to say on 975X SLI support: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20051118230455.html

NVIDIA Corp. said Friday that its multi-GPU scalable link interface (SLI) technology is not to be supported by applications based on recently released Intel 975X core-logic, which may not satisfy end-users who would like to have an Intel processor and an Intel chipset in their system in addition to powerful graphics processing capabilities.

It was made public knowledge that they would NOT support SLI on 975X.
 

Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Mr Fox
This is a parallel investigation into software feature lock-out

How is it a Lock-out? NVIDIA has no responsibility to develop features for competing chipsets.

Either way you lost credibility with your last statement....

Because of NVIDIA?s poor Core Logic Chipsets for Intel Core 2 Duo CPU?s it puts the end user in a very tough position to either buy their poor product, or loose feature support buying a competitor.

If you don't like their chipsets....don't use them. If the chipset you do like does not support a certain feature.....sucks to be you.




If Intel locked their CPU's to not work on NV Core Logic.... You would scream bloody murder....

Now the shoe is on the other foot....

You can call me an Asshole all you want... Just do it in a Seperate Thread !!

Thank You !!



 

Nelsieus

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You still haven't answered my question. Can you please backup your following statement:

In addition there are activities that suggest a deeper investigation on NVIDIA relating to their drivers, and software and feature support on other vendors core logic chipsets.

Nelsieus
 

Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: Nelsieus
You still haven't answered my question. Can you please backup your following statement:

In addition there are activities that suggest a deeper investigation on NVIDIA relating to their drivers, and software and feature support on other vendors core logic chipsets.

Nelsieus


From my E-mail :



From: USDOJ-ATD [mailto:Antitrust.Complaints@usdoj.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:28 PM
To: ---- Fox
Subject: RE: NVIDIA Anti-Competitive actions.Anti-Trust Investigation


RE: NVIDIA Anti-Competitive actions.Anti-Trust Investigation


Re: NVIDIA Corp.
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050
408.486.2000 | www.nvidia.com

Partner: BFG Technologies
28690 Ballard Drive
Lake Forest, Illinois 60045
847.281.3110 / http://www.bfgtech.com




Dear Mr. Fox:

Thank you for your continued correspondence with the U.S. Department of Justice Antitrust Division. While the staff at the Antitrust Division is well versed in Antitrust laws, we have less expertise concerning specific commodities, including the software and computer industry.

However, we did have an additional staff member review your complaint and we have have forwarded your complaint package to the appropriate legal staff for further action. We have your information on file and should the legal staff need further information, they may contact you in the future.
We appreciate your interest in the enforcement of federal antitrust laws.

Sincerely,

Antitrust Division

United States Department of Justice





 

Nelsieus

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Originally posted by: Mr Fox
From my E-mail :
From: USDOJ-ATD [mailto:Antitrust.Complaints@usdoj.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:28 PM
To: ---- Fox
Subject: RE: NVIDIA Anti-Competitive actions.Anti-Trust Investigation
RE: NVIDIA Anti-Competitive actions.Anti-Trust Investigation
Re: NVIDIA Corp.
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050
408.486.2000 | www.nvidia.com
Partner: BFG Technologies
28690 Ballard Drive
Lake Forest, Illinois 60045
847.281.3110 / http://www.bfgtech.com

Dear Mr. Fox:

Thank you for your continued correspondence with the U.S. Department of Justice Antitrust Division. While the staff at the Antitrust Division is well versed in Antitrust laws, we have less expertise concerning specific commodities, including the software and computer industry.

However, we did have an additional staff member review your complaint and we have have forwarded your complaint package to the appropriate legal staff for further action. We have your information on file and should the legal staff need further information, they may contact you in the future.
We appreciate your interest in the enforcement of federal antitrust laws.

Sincerely,

Antitrust Division

United States Department of Justice

Where in that e-mail suggests "a deeper investigation on NVIDIA relating to their drivers, and software and feature support on other vendors core logic chipsets?" :confused:

I'd hope you would have compelling evidence to support that claim, otherwise, the reviewers of your statement are going to merely overlook it as frivilous and speculative (as many of us are already doing).

Nelsieus
 

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Just a brief history lesson for those that think that NVIDIA chipsets were always required for SLI...

The first SLI boards were Intel Tumwater chipsets.

You can clearly see the board is for a Xeon in this pic from the initial press release:

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2097

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce6-sli_3.html

At the time the current nForce chipset was nForce 3, which was AGP and only supported AMD chips. IIRC, the first NVIDIA SLI motherboard to be made publicly available was the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe, but system builders like Alienware were selling systems based on the Intel Tumwater platform as well.

Alienware ALX SLI

http://compreviews.about.com/od/perfdesk/gr/ALXArea51SLI.htm

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20041026115151.html

Default configuration of Area-51 ALX SLI includes Intel Xeon processor at 3.40GHz with 1MB L2 cache and EM64T, Alienware X2 mainboard, 1GB of dual-channel DDR2 400MHz memory, two NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra graphics cards, 148GB (74GB x 2) WD Raptor HDDs in RAID 0 configuration, Plextor PlexWriter Premium 52x32x52x CD-RW drive, NEC ND-3500 16x Dual Layer DVD±R/W Recorder, Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS audio card, Microsoft Window XP Professional and so on. The default pricing is $6077.

Alienware X2 mainboards are based on Intel E7525 (Tumwater) core logic and besides 2 PCI Express x16 slots as well as 2 sockets for CPUs will also support dual-channel DDR2 memory, Serial ATA ports with RAID capability, PCI-X support, Gigabit Ethernet and 5.1 Dolby Digital audio.
 

Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Originally posted by: Mr Fox
From my E-mail :
From: USDOJ-ATD [mailto:Antitrust.Complaints@usdoj.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:28 PM
To: ---- Fox
Subject: RE: NVIDIA Anti-Competitive actions.Anti-Trust Investigation
RE: NVIDIA Anti-Competitive actions.Anti-Trust Investigation
Re: NVIDIA Corp.
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050
408.486.2000 | www.nvidia.com
Partner: BFG Technologies
28690 Ballard Drive
Lake Forest, Illinois 60045
847.281.3110 / http://www.bfgtech.com

Dear Mr. Fox:

Thank you for your continued correspondence with the U.S. Department of Justice Antitrust Division. While the staff at the Antitrust Division is well versed in Antitrust laws, we have less expertise concerning specific commodities, including the software and computer industry.

However, we did have an additional staff member review your complaint and we have have forwarded your complaint package to the appropriate legal staff for further action. We have your information on file and should the legal staff need further information, they may contact you in the future.
We appreciate your interest in the enforcement of federal antitrust laws.

Sincerely,

Antitrust Division

United States Department of Justice

Where in that e-mail suggests "a deeper investigation on NVIDIA relating to their drivers, and software and feature support on other vendors core logic chipsets?" :confused:

I'd hope you would have compelling evidence to support that claim, otherwise, the reviewers of your statement are going to merely overlook it as frivilous and speculative (as many of us are already doing).

Nelsieus


The fact that it has gone thru their screening process, and moved to the next level.

Belive what you wish there was 25 pages of supporting documemtation that was not layed out here.

Please just do it in a Seperate Thread.

Thank You !!









 

Nelsieus

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Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Originally posted by: Mr Fox
From my E-mail :
From: USDOJ-ATD [mailto:Antitrust.Complaints@usdoj.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:28 PM
To: ---- Fox
Subject: RE: NVIDIA Anti-Competitive actions.Anti-Trust Investigation
RE: NVIDIA Anti-Competitive actions.Anti-Trust Investigation
Re: NVIDIA Corp.
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050
408.486.2000 | www.nvidia.com
Partner: BFG Technologies
28690 Ballard Drive
Lake Forest, Illinois 60045
847.281.3110 / http://www.bfgtech.com

Dear Mr. Fox:

Thank you for your continued correspondence with the U.S. Department of Justice Antitrust Division. While the staff at the Antitrust Division is well versed in Antitrust laws, we have less expertise concerning specific commodities, including the software and computer industry.

However, we did have an additional staff member review your complaint and we have have forwarded your complaint package to the appropriate legal staff for further action. We have your information on file and should the legal staff need further information, they may contact you in the future.
We appreciate your interest in the enforcement of federal antitrust laws.

Sincerely,

Antitrust Division

United States Department of Justice

Where in that e-mail suggests "a deeper investigation on NVIDIA relating to their drivers, and software and feature support on other vendors core logic chipsets?" :confused:

I'd hope you would have compelling evidence to support that claim, otherwise, the reviewers of your statement are going to merely overlook it as frivilous and speculative (as many of us are already doing).

Nelsieus


The fact that it has gone thru their screening process, and moved to the next level.

Belive what you wish there was 25 pages of supporting documemtation that was not layed out here.

Please just do it in a Seperate Thread.

Thank You !!

There's no point in creating multiple threads for this one issue.

Secondly, you still haven't presented your evidence that there's "a deeper investigation on NVIDIA relating to their drivers, and software and feature support on other vendors core logic chipsets." They simply stated that they received your complaint and are reviewing it.

So I'm starting to dismiss your claims, but hope you get any answers you're seeking.

Nelsieus
 

Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: nitromullet
Just a brief history lesson for those that think that NVIDIA chipsets were always required for SLI...

The first SLI boards were Intel Tumwater chipsets.

You can clearly see the board is for a Xeon in this pic from the initial press release:

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2097

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce6-sli_3.html

At the time the current nForce chipset was nForce 3, which was AGP and only supported AMD chips. IIRC, the first NVIDIA SLI motherboard to be made publicly available was the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe, but system builders like Alienware were selling systems based on the Intel Tumwater platform as well.

Alienware ALX SLI

http://compreviews.about.com/od/perfdesk/gr/ALXArea51SLI.htm

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20041026115151.html

Default configuration of Area-51 ALX SLI includes Intel Xeon processor at 3.40GHz with 1MB L2 cache and EM64T, Alienware X2 mainboard, 1GB of dual-channel DDR2 400MHz memory, two NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra graphics cards, 148GB (74GB x 2) WD Raptor HDDs in RAID 0 configuration, Plextor PlexWriter Premium 52x32x52x CD-RW drive, NEC ND-3500 16x Dual Layer DVD±R/W Recorder, Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS audio card, Microsoft Window XP Professional and so on. The default pricing is $6077.

Alienware X2 mainboards are based on Intel E7525 (Tumwater) core logic and besides 2 PCI Express x16 slots as well as 2 sockets for CPUs will also support dual-channel DDR2 memory, Serial ATA ports with RAID capability, PCI-X support, Gigabit Ethernet and 5.1 Dolby Digital audio.


Thanks for clearing that up !!

I appreciate it Nitro !