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Relayer

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Is an X2 3800+ a significant upgrade from a P4 2.6GHz?

It runs at 2.0 GHz, but is supposed to compare to a 3.8 GHz Intel?

I want to be sure that this will be enough of an upgrade for the $400+ for a new board and CPU.

Another important question. Will the power supply in my Sonata 1 work ok? I think it's a 380 watt. I have bee running 4 hdd's and 1 optical drive fine so far.

a little more info...I do not plan to overclock, I don't play games very much anymore, I do some video editing and audio encoding etc., I mostly want a faster machine and have had this P4 2.6 GHz for almost three years. For me, that's a long time. I also want to be able to use Vista without problems next year.
 

Snakexor

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any x2 can pretty much beat any p4 out there, barring the 670 vs the 3800x2 in single threaded apps, but after oc

AMD>INTEL. <-----thats a period...
 

stevty2889

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It will make a huge differance in video encoding, especialy if the programs are SMP aware, and it will be faster at everything in general. Should be fine with your 380w Antec.
 

Zebo

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To me even todays fastest intel systems feel slow let alone the old 2.6 I had in my office. Has something to do with latency of that on-board mem-controller..more candid reviwers talk about it every so often..

The Athlon 64 is most assuredly a fast 32-bit CPU. Benchmarks can be found at every hardware site on the web, but just in case you?ve missed them, I?ll summarize: In all but a very few benchmarks the Athlon 64 stomps an equivalently priced Pentium 4. Not only that, but the Athlon 64 simply feels faster under normal use.

You?re probably asking, ?What do you mean it feels faster?? Well, for comparison I have a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz machine at work, and an Athlon 64 3000+ machine at home. They both have 1GB of the same ram and 80gig 7200rpm 8mb cache hard drives. Under light use?web surfing, writing documents, writing code, etc?the Athlon 64 is just snappier. Windows, menus, animations, etc. respond quicker and feel faster on the Athlon 64 machine. I?m not alone in my feelings either. In a recent forum post our own Mike Chin writes:

?... my A64-3200 system [is] right next to my main P4-2.8C rig. Win XP Pro on both. No contest: The A64 runs faster & cooler. I don't mean benchmarks, I mean using the full range of apps I use daily -- Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Acrobat, Adobe InDesign, a bunch of web design tools... I've been gradually migrating to the A64 -- to turn it from backup machine to main machine.?

Most of this increase in speed and responsiveness is due to the integrated memory controller. Because of the Athlon 64?s memory controller, the delay from when an application first requests data to when it receives the first pieces of that data is much smaller than with a traditional northbridge-contained memory controller, thus increasing the perceived responsiveness of the application. To be fair, though, AMD is not the only one trying to increase the responsiveness of every day computer use. Intel?s HyperThreading helps to achieve just that.

HyperThreading is Intel?s name for their implementation of Simultaneous Multi-Threading (SMT). SMT is simply a way of allowing more portions of a CPU to be active at one time. To achieve this, an SMT-enabled CPU is actually exposed to the operating system as two CPUs. This way, the operating system can schedule two threads to run simultaneously. The CPU then sorts out which thread is actually running at any given time and in some cases can run portions of each thread in parallel.

Many people think that, because of HyperThreading, multi-tasking should be much smoother on a Pentium 4 than on an Athlon 64. While it is true that HyperThreading can provide a large benefit in multitasking situations, in my experiences the Pentium 4 is still significantly less responsive than the Athlon 64, even in situations involving heavy multitasking. I do software development work and most of the multi-tasking I do is during a compile. My Athlon 64 system is noticeably more responsive during a compile than my Pentium 4 system at work. Add to that the fact that the same code that takes 15 minutes to compile at work only takes 8 minutes to compile on my home machine, and you have a much more pleasant computing experience.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article169-page2.html


I just wish M$ would do better at caching their OS then you'd really see it! I hate somtimes when my encoding is done and I alt-tab from game I'm playing to start another DVD, the damn OS is put on hard disk dispite having 500MB of free memory! Should be kept in memory! NO! have to hear grinding and waiting while it outs it back in memory where it belongs.:(
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Cooler
Yes it is. 3800 > P-D @3.0 Ghz

Actually a 3800+ owns even the 840D and 840EE in most benchmarks.. Intel needs about 3500Mhz to compete really...at the benchmark level with 3800+.
 

Viditor

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Originally posted by: Relayer
Is an X2 3800+ a significant upgrade from a P4 2.6GHz?

It runs at 2.0 GHz, but is supposed to compare to a 3.8 GHz Intel?

I want to be sure that this will be enough of an upgrade for the $400+ for a new board and CPU.

Another important question. Will the power supply in my Sonata 1 work ok? I think it's a 380 watt. I have bee running 4 hdd's and 1 optical drive fine so far.

a little more info...I do not plan to overclock, I don't play games very much anymore, I do some video editing and audio encoding etc., I mostly want a faster machine and have had this P4 2.6 GHz for almost three years. For me, that's a long time. I also want to be able to use Vista without problems next year.

1. For video editing and audio encoding, you will notice a significant increase in performance (especially in FX rendering!).
2. The PSU might be fine...I would look into getting a new one just in case (Seasonic S12 or PC P&C are preferred)
3. Vista in 64 bit is rumoured to be superior to the 32 bit version, but most important, make sure to get a DX9 compatible video card to be able to use all of the new features...
 

Markfw

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I have 3 sonata cases 2, with X2's, one with a Opteron 170, all @2550. The 170 is the only one with a 450 watt, the other 2 are 380's. You will be fine so long as you don't have a killer video card.
 

SubCarrier

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I'm actually doing the exact same upgrade now. From Intel P4 2.6HT to AMD X2 3800+. I haven't got all my parts yet but for 1 simple test i did manage to get a 25% increase in video rendering using Vegas 5.0. I'm still waiting for my A8V to arrive but in the meantime I'm using a ECS NFORCE4-A939 + 300 watt ps + pci video card for testing purpose. I can run Prime95 for hours for both cpu.
 

AkumaX

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Originally posted by: SubCarrier
I'm actually doing the exact same upgrade now. From Intel P4 2.6HT to AMD X2 3800+. I haven't got all my parts yet but for 1 simple test i did manage to get a 25% increase in video rendering using Vegas 5.0. I'm still waiting for my A8V to arrive but in the meantime I'm using a ECS NFORCE4-A939 + 300 watt ps + pci video card for testing purpose. I can run Prime95 for hours for both cpu.

O/C?
 

SubCarrier

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No, just stock speed/voltage. Any type of overclocking over 220 FSB fail with the board. I can actually boot into windows at 250FSB with 1.5volts but BSOD shortly afterward. I hope it is the board and not the chip.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Zebo
To me even todays fastest intel systems feel slow let alone the old 2.6 I had in my office. Has something to do with latency of that on-board mem-controller..more candid reviwers talk about it every so often..

The Athlon 64 is most assuredly a fast 32-bit CPU. Benchmarks can be found at every hardware site on the web, but just in case you?ve missed them, I?ll summarize: In all but a very few benchmarks the Athlon 64 stomps an equivalently priced Pentium 4. Not only that, but the Athlon 64 simply feels faster under normal use.

You?re probably asking, ?What do you mean it feels faster?? Well, for comparison I have a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz machine at work, and an Athlon 64 3000+ machine at home. They both have 1GB of the same ram and 80gig 7200rpm 8mb cache hard drives. Under light use?web surfing, writing documents, writing code, etc?the Athlon 64 is just snappier. Windows, menus, animations, etc. respond quicker and feel faster on the Athlon 64 machine. I?m not alone in my feelings either. In a recent forum post our own Mike Chin writes:

?... my A64-3200 system [is] right next to my main P4-2.8C rig. Win XP Pro on both. No contest: The A64 runs faster & cooler. I don't mean benchmarks, I mean using the full range of apps I use daily -- Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Acrobat, Adobe InDesign, a bunch of web design tools... I've been gradually migrating to the A64 -- to turn it from backup machine to main machine.?

Most of this increase in speed and responsiveness is due to the integrated memory controller. Because of the Athlon 64?s memory controller, the delay from when an application first requests data to when it receives the first pieces of that data is much smaller than with a traditional northbridge-contained memory controller, thus increasing the perceived responsiveness of the application. To be fair, though, AMD is not the only one trying to increase the responsiveness of every day computer use. Intel?s HyperThreading helps to achieve just that.

HyperThreading is Intel?s name for their implementation of Simultaneous Multi-Threading (SMT). SMT is simply a way of allowing more portions of a CPU to be active at one time. To achieve this, an SMT-enabled CPU is actually exposed to the operating system as two CPUs. This way, the operating system can schedule two threads to run simultaneously. The CPU then sorts out which thread is actually running at any given time and in some cases can run portions of each thread in parallel.

Many people think that, because of HyperThreading, multi-tasking should be much smoother on a Pentium 4 than on an Athlon 64. While it is true that HyperThreading can provide a large benefit in multitasking situations, in my experiences the Pentium 4 is still significantly less responsive than the Athlon 64, even in situations involving heavy multitasking. I do software development work and most of the multi-tasking I do is during a compile. My Athlon 64 system is noticeably more responsive during a compile than my Pentium 4 system at work. Add to that the fact that the same code that takes 15 minutes to compile at work only takes 8 minutes to compile on my home machine, and you have a much more pleasant computing experience.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article169-page2.html


I just wish M$ would do better at caching their OS then you'd really see it! I hate somtimes when my encoding is done and I alt-tab from game I'm playing to start another DVD, the damn OS is put on hard disk dispite having 500MB of free memory! Should be kept in memory! NO! have to hear grinding and waiting while it outs it back in memory where it belongs.:(

contrary to that article, i noticed a large loss in multitasking performance coming from a 3.0E @ 3.7ghz.

And i do not see the "snappier" feel either (same components from the intel rig, with the exception of memory, which is similar speed but much tighter timings on the new rig)

I did however get smoother framerates in some games.

And yeah, i really hate windows cache management as well.
 

imported_michaelpatrick33

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Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
Decent upgrade at best imo.

:roll:

This from the person who stated his PIV Willamette at 1.8Ghrtz encoded faster than his 1.8 Ghrtz AMD64 3000+

Pure troll. The single core AMD at 2ghrtz is faster than the 2.6 Intel he has much less the dualcore.

I won't say what your post is but FUD glimmers gently by way of silicon firing by the programmers delight :laugh:
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: Relayer
will my 2GB of Crucial PC3200 run ok? Also, will it run in dual channel?

Yes it will run in dual channel. Is it 2x1g or 4x512 ? If 4x512, it may need to run 2T timings, but thats only a small perf hit (1-2%)
 

SubCarrier

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What range should the memory score on Sandra? 3000ish, 4000ish, 5000ish? And does this matter in single or dual channel.