Going on six weeks now with Progressive Snapshot. update: CEL?

[nickbits]

I have it in our cars. Right now it is projecting a 14% discount for me and 2% for my wife's car. I don't care what it monitors if it lowers my costs.
Also the thing doesn't have GPS so it isn't going to know you're going 50 in a 30 zone. If you are driving 80+ all the time, I guess it they could infer you were speeding.
Slippery slope? Maybe, but I don't care.

 

[foghorn67]

I don't think you know what "slippery slope" means. Two made comments that pretty much says you don't.

Right now, its sounds great.
Then, because they are insurance companies, you will get screwed.
Soon, non-Snapshot type device drivers will get screwed by not only no discounts, but increased price gouge.
-Law enforcement will use this. And you know how they don't like using "due process" and words like "court orders".
-It will incriminate you.
-It will be mandatory. Yes, the law.
-It will have more features on what it logs. Pretty soon, it will have GPS. Imagine if a shooting happened at an address. The police dispatcher will see any active cars in the area.

This isn't paranoia, read up on it. Educate themselves. This is mainstream folks.
And no, I am not a 9/11 truther, moon landing conspiracy nutjob.

Say no. NOW.

 

[Pariah]

and number of speed decreases greater than 7MPH/second.

Koenigsegg ran some tests with their Agera R and they were recently ratified by the Guiness book. One of the results:

300 km/h to 0 - 6.66 seconds

That's about 28MPH/sec. If Progressive saw that result, they would probably ask for their recorder back thinking it was broken.

 

[kamikazekyle]

I don't think you know what "slippery slope" means. Two made comments that pretty much says you don't.

Right now, its sounds great.
Then, because they are insurance companies, you will get screwed.
Soon, non-Snapshot type device drivers will get screwed by not only no discounts, but increased price gouge.
-Law enforcement will use this. And you know how they don't like using "due process" and words like "court orders".
-It will incriminate you.
-It will be mandatory. Yes, the law.
-It will have more features on what it logs. Pretty soon, it will have GPS. Imagine if a shooting happened at an address. The police dispatcher will see any active cars in the area.

This isn't paranoia, read up on it. Educate themselves. This is mainstream folks.
And no, I am not a 9/11 truther, moon landing conspiracy nutjob.

Say no. NOW.

It seems that once an idea is already out there, most companies seem to ignore the slope nowadays. The slope just makes it a bit less expensive.

"Oh, we can GPS everyone's car and penalize those that don't with higher rates. Think of all the resulting marketing data we can collect and resell. OH! And we can toss in some low range RF transmitters and install receivers on billboards so they can do targeted advertising as the driver goes by! Brilliant!"

"But nobody is using our GPS devices for fear of invasion of privacy and all that."

"Pshaw, just spend a bit more on our lobbying and get a law enacted that requires it. Start at the state level if you have to, and if you must bring in the other companies. Make sure we get patents on all this stuff and set up lucrative license deals first. We'll make up that few million on lobbying in no time."

Anyway. I think I just gave the wrong people the wrong ideas, but hey I just go under the assumption that everyone is out to screw me, so I shop around to see who has the smaller genitalia. But I'm probably used to this since I've had every facet of my life analyzed down to my childhood teachers by several different government agencies.

 

[natto fire]

So I discovered something interesting about this device today. My car wouldn't start the other day so on a whim I disconnected it but it still didn't start.

I then dis/reconnected the battery and it did start and drove normal for a while and then died a couple times on the test drive, on the third restart it threw a CEL. Died one more time and still restarted, CEL again.

I got home and plugged in the device and it no longer started, unplugged device, still not starting. I then did the battery connection again with the same results as above.

Today I did this test for a third time and pretty much confirmed the device does not like CELs. My OBDII code reader is still on the way, so I don't know exactly what code I am dealing with yet, too nervous to drive it to a parts store with it dying so often on quick test drives. In any event I think it is a pretty critical CEL, although it doesn't seem to be on any kind of base maps or limp home mode.

 

[DirthNader]

I use SnapShot. Got 22% discount on my RX-8.

I drive between 12AM and 4AM on weekends, have a number of hard braking events (I had it unplugged but in the car when I bedded in my new rotors, it logged 11 hard stops), and had a few records of 100+ mph.

Only thing is that I don't drive the car very often. Maybe once a week to work (20 miles round trip) and on the weekends. Travel for work quite a bit.

The fact that there's a discount for putting the Lindsay Lohan ankle bracelet on your car means you're already paying more if you don't submit to our insurance overlords.

 

[disappoint]

Talk about slippery slope. If they don't like the way you drive they can make your car throw CELs and cut the engine.

 

[jlee]

I use SnapShot. Got 22% discount on my RX-8.

I drive between 12AM and 4AM on weekends, have a number of hard braking events (I had it unplugged but in the car when I bedded in my new rotors, it logged 11 hard stops), and had a few records of 100+ mph.

Only thing is that I don't drive the car very often. Maybe once a week to work (20 miles round trip) and on the weekends. Travel for work quite a bit.

The fact that there's a discount for putting the Lindsay Lohan ankle bracelet on your car means you're already paying more if you don't submit to our insurance overlords.

How does it work when it's not plugged in?

 

[Ferzerp]

No thank you. There is already enough data logging of each individual without actively participating in the collection of it. I'd rather just pay my current insurance rate...

 

[DirthNader]

How does it work when it's not plugged in?

I honestly have no clue.

There's a small loop of road near my house that's undeveloped. I use it for bedding in new brakes. From there I hop on a causeway with no stops / signals to let the brakes cool down.

I pulled into the loop, turned off the car, waited for the activity lights on the device to stop. Unplugged it, threw it on my passenger seat. Did a few laps w/ 50mph-5mph hard stops, then headed out to the causeway for my cooldown cruise.

Came home and see a report for 11 hard stops in 12 miles. Most of my reports have zero hard stops... the next worse is 4 hard stops in 70 miles.

Either it has an accelerometer and battery, or it was pulling some history from the ECU when it was plugged back in.

 

[Arely]

Today way my Day one with the snap shot i drive 20 miles and 2 hard breaks not High risk time lets see what discount I get after 30 days I will keep you posted

 

[Vdubchaos]

hello big brother!

Big brother already has more shit on your than you can imagine.

This progresive snapshot thingy wouldn't even be a tip of an iceberg if you were to get it. We are talking first 2 inch of the iceberg.



Heck if you just have a smartphone, google and your cell service company already knows what you do all day and just about anything you put into the device. And they send that to gov too.....

If you were concerned with big brother, you wouldn't use any of those devices or even be on the internet.

 

[Yuriman]

Though I disagree with these in principle, I'd probably take one for my car if my insurance company offered it. Funny how that works, eh? We all have a price, and I'd almost certainly get close to the full discount.

I expect it's coming, and nothing short of government intervention will stop it (and good luck with that). Cars will become more and more connected, and eventually most will be self-driving and connected to some centralized routing system anyway so it'll be a moot point.