Going from Geforce2 Ti to Geforce3 Ti200...questions and issues...

[JCJiffy]

This is my current setup:

1.0 ghz Celeron (on mwave's cheapo $9 sloket adapter)
Abit BH6 revision 1.0x
576MB SDRAM
Leadtek Geforce2 Ti (O/Ced 270/480)
Antec case with 250W power supply

The main game I play right now is Dark Age of Camelot. My system runs the game very well and smoothly, but in big towns such as Camelot, the framerate does still drop and it gets a little bit choppy. I don't know if this is an issue with lag (I'm on cable) or if my system is not fast enough.

Will I see any improvement in DAoC if I upgrade my Geforce2 Ti to a Geforce3 Ti200? Or is my Celly too weak sauce? I was trying to eek out what little bit I could from my BH6 mobo so I got the cheap $80 Celeron.

The other question I have is: Will my 250W power supply be able to provide enough juice for a Geforce3 card? I've seen some people mention that older mobos may not be able to use the Geforce3 cards.

 

[Bartoluccio]

Hi there,

I've also a BH6 with a 750 Cely on FSB 83, 230 watt PS.
I use a Geforce 3 ti200, and I get out 4091 points 1024*768*32 from 3DMark 2001.
That score is a much higher score than it should be!. You will get a huge improvement changing from geforce2 to a 3 ti200.
Check it out on the site from 3DMark2001. I'm also listed there.
I runned the test with a 1.4 AMD and a geforce 2 GTS and got 3800 points. Now with just a Cely 750 and a 3 Ti200 I get 4091.
Here no problems with the power supply of 230 Watts.
Besides, the 3Ti200 supports much more features than a geforce 2.

Succes, Bart, The Netherlands.

 

[Saltin]

I have a p4 1.5 with 256 mb RDRAM, and a Geforce 2 ti 64 mb (Leadtek). I play DAoC as well. In the towns I am pretty sure at least some of the performace degredation is due to the large number of people in one place at the same time.
I use DSL to connect and get the same thing you do in the Big town in my realm. I suspect it has more to do with thier end then ours. Remember the game isnt very old yet. Things arent as optimal as they could/will be, in respect to the network code.

 

[Rand]

<< Hi there,

I've also a BH6 with a 750 Cely on FSB 83, 230 watt PS.
I use a Geforce 3 ti200, and I get out 4091 points 1024*768*32 from 3DMark 2001.
That score is a much higher score than it should be!. You will get a huge improvement changing from geforce2 to a 3 ti200.
Check it out on the site from 3DMark2001. I'm also listed there.
I runned the test with a 1.4 AMD and a geforce 2 GTS and got 3800 points. Now with just a Cely 750 and a 3 Ti200 I get 4091.
Here no problems with the power supply of 230 Watts.
Besides, the 3Ti200 supports much more features than a geforce 2.

Succes, Bart, The Netherlands. >>



You can't really compare the two scores on an equal basis though, as the system using a GeForce2 card cannot run all of the game tests in 3DMark2001 and hence unfairly penalizing the GeForce2 (and all other non-DX8 cards) score in a manner that isnt realistic of real world activities.

 

[oldfart]

What OS are you using? Win9x has an issue when you have more than 512 meg ram. Also, set the BH6 FSB for 112 to get an overclock to 1.12 GHz. What the hey, every little bit helps.

 

[Saltin]

<< unfairly penalizing the GeForce2 (and all other non-DX8 cards) >>



Do you mean to say that the Geforce 2 Ti is not a Direct X 8 Card? It's a brand new product line.....

 

[JCJiffy]

<< What OS are you using? Win9x has an issue when you have more than 512 meg ram. Also, set the BH6 FSB for 112 to get an overclock to 1.12 GHz. What the hey, every little bit helps. >>



I'm running Win2k, which I'm pretty sure can handle over 1gig of RAM. I have tried to overclock my Celly, but it won't even hard boot if I do so.

Saltin,

What Rand means is that the Geforce2 has certain features missing that doesn't allow it to run ALL of the tests in 3DMark 2001. The pixel shader test is one I can think of. The Geforce2 does not fully utilize all the features that are implemented in DirectX 8.x. The Geforce3 GPU, on the other hand, is capable of fully utilizing the features available with DirectX 8.x. That doesn't mean the Geforce2 can't be used with DirectX 8.x or something.

 

[oldfart]

Hmm, I've never seen a 1 GHz Cellery that won't do this speed. You tried 112 FSB, not 133 right? Maybe you got a dud. You have speed error hold disabled? Ram that can do 112 MHz (PC133)? Maybe it's that cheapo slocket that is causing the problem??

 

[Rand]

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<< unfairly penalizing the GeForce2 (and all other non-DX8 cards) >>



Do you mean to say that the Geforce 2 Ti is not a Direct X 8 Card? It's a brand new product line..... >>



That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying, the GeForce 2 Ti is based upon the same old core that originally debuted in the GeForce 2 GTS. No more features, or anything else just a faster core and memory clock speed. It does not support DirectX features in hardware, and has to fall back to software emulation of features that are specific to DX8.

3DMark 2001 is designed specifically to test the DX8 performance and feature set of graphics cards, and does not allow any graphics card that does not support the full DX8 feature set in hardware to run certain tests and hence unrealistically penializes it and lowers it's score drastically.
Whereas in the real world, the GeForce2 Ti would most certainly be able to run any game, even those utilizing DX8 features it would merely fall back to software emulation of those elements... 3DMark however does not let it run those tests at all and scores the GeForce 2 a 0 for a couple portions of 3DM2001.