Going from Android to iOS...

[zerogear]

Who decided 4 inches is the threshold for one handed?

I use my S4 one handed all the time. Its the perfect size for me to do that and I am 5'9".

Apple marketing. And then people who are naive believed them and proliferated it.

 

[Zaap]

I'd disagree with both statements. The Note was a flagship and it wasn't an insanely huge hit.

By what measure is selling 10 million units (at $200-$500 a pop) not considered a huge hit?

People are smoking crack at what they've been led to believe are measures of business success. Any business in history would kill for sales figures like those.

 

[QueBert]

By what measure is selling 10 million units (at $200-$500 a pop) not considered a huge hit?

People are smoking crack at what they've been led to believe are measures of business success. Any business in history would kill for sales figures like those.

Apple wouldn't, they would cry if they only sold 10 million iPhones.

No, hes not exaggerating, the iphone sounds like garbage. Considering they invented the ipod one would think they would put some thought into its player, but no, after 10 years they still dont have a proper eq system. Hell, they dont even have bass or treble.

Yet they have audio normalization, which Android doesn't. All the EQ'ing in the world is great, but normalizing audio imho is maybe the most important feature audio wise, and Google apparently doesn't give 2 shits about it.

 

[WelshBloke]

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Yet they have audio normalization, which Android doesn't. All the EQ'ing in the world is great, but normalizing audio imho is maybe the most important feature audio wise, and Google apparently doesn't give 2 shits about it.

Are you talking about sound check? Doesn't that massively compress the dynamic range of the file?

I'd rather have a decent sound and cope with adjusting the volume or do it all properly and do the normalization on my PC before syncing it.

 

[Phokus]

It's hilarious because the useability of the iphone has hardly changed from the OG iphone to the iphone 5. It's ridiculous that Apple are considered design 'geniuses' when the useability of the phone is so horrible.

 

[Zaap]

Apple wouldn't, they would cry if they only sold 10 million iPhones.

Apple makes how many current models of iPhone again?

Samsung makes many different models, and sells twice as many smartphones as Apple. You're on crack if you think selling 10 million of something is a small number.

 

[bearxor]

By what measure is selling 10 million units (at $200-$500 a pop) not considered a huge hit?

People are smoking crack at what they've been led to believe are measures of business success. Any business in history would kill for sales figures like those.

By the mobile phone industry's measure. The iPhone 4S sold 4 million the first weekend it was on sale. The iPhone 5 sold 7 million in 4 days. The HTC One X is estimated to have sole 7-8 million over its lifetime and would largely be regarded as a flop. The sales numbers for the sgs2 and sgs3 were already noted. Samsung sold 5 million Note 2's the first two months of availability and if they kept that pace up would have exceeded the Note 1's sales in February.

Again, I'm not trying to discount how successful the Note ended up being but, in the mobile phone market, how could selling 10 million units over the lifetime of your device be considered 'a huge hit'?

 

[Zaap]

Again, I'm not trying to discount how successful the Note ended up being but, in the mobile phone market, how could selling 10 million units over the lifetime of your device be considered 'a huge hit'?

Because you made this last part up.
The Note sold 10 million units in a matter of months. http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246378/samsung-galaxy-note-sales-10-million-worldwide.

Over the life of the product, to date? I have no idea how many units it sold total- the Note 2 came out and sales figures of the original Note weren't news worthy anymore, but it's a pretty safe bet they've sold millions more since then.

And once more- it goes to show you ( and others) have a WACKED sense of business that you think selling 10 million units of something that's a mult-hundred dollar item isn't a huge success that any business would kill for. It just shows you're simply not comprehending the numbers involved- not in a sense of just how many of something that is, or the massive dollar amounts. (For an album that costs just $10 for example, that'd be considered 10x platinum. If you think even that figure happens every other week for recording artists- and in a matter of months no less- again, you're smoking something.)

10 million units (and however many since that figure was recorded last year) is a staggering sales achievement. People's complete ignorance of business doesn't change that.

 

[bearxor]

Because you made this last part up.
The Note sold 10 million units in a matter of months. http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246378/samsung-galaxy-note-sales-10-million-worldwide.

Over the life of the product, to date? I have no idea how many units it sold total- the Note 2 came out and sales figures of the original Note weren't news worthy anymore, but it's a pretty safe bet they've sold millions more since then.

Ok, you understand that you linked the exact sales sales figure article that I linked in my original post, correct? And that it's dated for August 2012, 10 months after the release of the Note in October 2011? And that the Note 2 came out in September 2012, one month after this press release and that, obviously, GNote sales dropped off since then. So we are estimating here, but it's highly doubtful they doubled that number since then or even increased it by 50%. If I had to guess, I'd probably say the Note's lifetime sales sit at around 12-13m which, for the sake of this discussion, don't make a significant difference in my viewpoint.

I'm not sure what you think I made up. I posted the same article you did and clearly stated that 10m units were for the first 10 months of its release, a rate of about 1m a month. I suppose I would need to know what your definition of "a matter of months" is. is it 11? For me, a "matter of months would be about 4. 5 tops. 6 becomes half a year.

And once more- it goes to show you ( and others) have a WACKED sense of business that you think selling 10 million units of something that's a mult-hundred dollar item isn't a huge success that any business would kill for. It just shows you're simply not comprehending the numbers involved- not in a sense of just how many of something that is, or the massive dollar amounts. (For an album that costs just $10 for example, that'd be considered 10x platinum. If you think even that figure happens every other week for recording artists- and in a matter of months no less- again, you're smoking something.)

10 million units (and however many since that figure was recorded last year) is a staggering sales achievement. People's complete ignorance of business doesn't change that.

Again, for the THIRD AND FINAL TIME, I do not mean to discount the success of the original Note. But you can't look at those sales figures and then wildly compare them to some other industry. You must put them in some sort of framework. Some sort of category. For the Note, that is the mobile device market. And, in the mobile device market, the Galaxy Note is not "an insanely huge hit". I'll go with my original label of "surprising hit" and feel that it adequately describes the sales figures of the Galaxy Note.

Clearly, Samsung saw the potential and I'm sure they didn't lose money on it (though I/no one else has ever claimed that it did). But to try and compare sales figures of a mobile phone to something completely unrelated like a album is just grasping for straws.

 

[Zaap]

You're just making things up bearxor to suit an agenda.

There's no rule set anywhere that says selling a huge amount of products in a matter of months (and yes, a matter of months is less than a year) isn't a success, because of some false benchmark you set up based on Apple or whoever else you want to cite.

That's just silly.

Show me *any* single model of product, of *any* type that sells 10 million units in a few months, and then show me that product that sells for multiple hundreds of dollar per unit.

According to your 'logic' on this subject, a record company selling 10 million copies of an album in 10 months would be a *HUGE FAILURE! BOO HOO* because they have to compare it to Thriller which sold 60 million copies... IN THIRTY YEARS!

Oh my god, what a horrible failure. Hang your head in shame.

Newsflash: if you're selling 10 million of virtually *ANY* product, it's a glowing success by any measure. That you've been conned into believing that Apple's iPhone figures are commonplace for *ANYONE* selling *ANY* single product line (let alone to keep repeating numbers like that across multiple product lines, as Samsung has) to believe that now 10 million is some lowball figure- it only shows that you're out in left field somewhere when it comes to having an accurate gauge of what constitutes a success in business.

There's no company that would be crying over having a product sell 1 million units a month, only to be surpassed by a newer version of its own product. Every company on earth no matter what it sells dreams of numbers like that. There are only a handful of companies in existence that ever even come anywhere close to figures like those. If everything lesser than these types of numbers were 'failures' then about 98% of all businesses on earth would have to go out of business immediately.

 

[QueBert]

Apple makes how many current models of iPhone again?

Samsung makes many different models, and sells twice as many smartphones as Apple. You're on crack if you think selling 10 million of something is a small number.

I never said 10 million was a small number, I was replying to someone saying any company would die to have a product that sold that well. The reality is if Apple releases an iPhone in the future that only sells 10 million, it will be considered a huge flop on their part.

 

[Oyeve]

Apple wouldn't, they would cry if they only sold 10 million iPhones.




Yet they have audio normalization, which Android doesn't. All the EQ'ing in the world is great, but normalizing audio imho is maybe the most important feature audio wise, and Google apparently doesn't give 2 shits about it.

Are you serious? Normalization over quality sound. I'm done. That's pretty pathetic.

 

[ControlD]

Yet they have audio normalization, which Android doesn't. All the EQ'ing in the world is great, but normalizing audio imho is maybe the most important feature audio wise, and Google apparently doesn't give 2 shits about it.

I always normalize my stuff with MP3gain first anyhow, that way it is normalized for every device I have, not just my iDevices.

Also, you can simply download an Android audio player that has normalization (like Neutron) and set it as your default media player.

 

[QueBert]

Are you serious? Normalization over quality sound. I'm done. That's pretty pathetic.

SQ doesn't mean much when your songs vary up to 3db in volume. I'll always take both if I can, but if I can only use 1, with my collection it'll be normalization every time. Thankfully Jailbroken iOS has a few great SQ apps, where Android has 1 meh XDA made player for normalizing.

 

[cheezy321]

You're just making things up bearxor to suit an agenda.

There's no rule set anywhere that says selling a huge amount of products in a matter of months (and yes, a matter of months is less than a year) isn't a success, because of some false benchmark you set up based on Apple or whoever else you want to cite.

That's just silly.

Show me *any* single model of product, of *any* type that sells 10 million units in a few months, and then show me that product that sells for multiple hundreds of dollar per unit.

According to your 'logic' on this subject, a record company selling 10 million copies of an album in 10 months would be a *HUGE FAILURE! BOO HOO* because they have to compare it to Thriller which sold 60 million copies... IN THIRTY YEARS!

Oh my god, what a horrible failure. Hang your head in shame.

Newsflash: if you're selling 10 million of virtually *ANY* product, it's a glowing success by any measure. That you've been conned into believing that Apple's iPhone figures are commonplace for *ANYONE* selling *ANY* single product line (let alone to keep repeating numbers like that across multiple product lines, as Samsung has) to believe that now 10 million is some lowball figure- it only shows that you're out in left field somewhere when it comes to having an accurate gauge of what constitutes a success in business.

There's no company that would be crying over having a product sell 1 million units a month, only to be surpassed by a newer version of its own product. Every company on earth no matter what it sells dreams of numbers like that. There are only a handful of companies in existence that ever even come anywhere close to figures like those. If everything lesser than these types of numbers were 'failures' then about 98% of all businesses on earth would have to go out of business immediately.

Who are you even arguing with? Nowhere did he say the Note was a failure. You made that up. He hasn't said that once and he repeated his viewpoint a multitude of times. You seem to miss that. The only failure here is your reading comprehension.

You have to prove your point by talking about some random business in some other industry. Why not compare the note to the business and industry that it is in? Wouldn't that make a lot more sense than pulling out some nonsensical comparison to Michael Jackson?

The note was a successful phone. It created the phablet category. Was it a 'smash hit' and 'record breaking'? No, sorry to say it wasn't. It was more successful than a lot of people thought it would be.

 

[Zaap]

I never said 10 million was a small number, I was replying to someone saying any company would die to have a product that sold that well. The reality is if Apple releases an iPhone in the future that only sells 10 million, it will be considered a huge flop on their part.

And once again, you're comparing apples and oranges. Apple doesn't sell 10 million units of everything it makes. You're once more acting like the iPhone is the measure of all success before something can be called a huge hit. It isn't.

Even Apple can't constantly live up to its own numbers like the iPhone- it's the reason that their stock is headed for the toilet despite the fact that they're still one of the most successful companies on the planet- because people have insanely-stupid false goalposts about what constitutes a success anymore.

It's been pointed out to you before- the iPhone is the only phone Apple makes, so there's no choice. Samsung makes many different phones and sells twice as many total as Apple does. It's a different business model, therefore you using iPhone sales as a metric of success pertaining to Samsung is false. They never set out with the Note to beat the iPhone in sales, and that's not the measure of its success. The fact that it sold beyond anyone's (including Samsung's) expectations and has spawned two successors and a whole new smartphone size category makes it an insanely successful model, not some false yardstick based on an improper comparison to someone else's product.

 

[Zaap]

Who are you even arguing with?

As always, I'd ask the same of you. Butt out.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

The good?

Stable, polished, fluid, consistent UI experience across apps. It makes all the difference on a phone platform.

Android is a buggy, laggy, mess. And has been since its inception.

 

[cheezy321]

As always, I'd ask the same of you. Butt out.

Standard fare. Nonsensical response to further your nonsensical point. Want to talk about record sales some more? lol

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Everyone's ears are different, but I had both the iphone 3g and 4 and they sounded terrible TO ME. You don't get to tell me how I felt it sounded. Usually I can get around that via equalizer, but they don't have custom EQs and only had presets. EQ presets are never set up right for me (not iphone specific) so none of them helped. It sounded bad enough that I decided to carry an entire extra device just for music. That's not an exaggeration, it's the truth. It may have been an overreaction, but it still happened. I did the same thing with my android phones until I found the music app that gave decent sound quality. The UI for it is pretty bad, but I can live with that for what else it provides.

so I went back to my nexus 7 and played around with the eq and found that it does sound fuller, if not a little bit more echo-ie.
but I was hearing things in tracks where I didn't notice in the ip5.

I guess I was fooled by the bassiness of the stock ip5 earbuds (although I'm not one that equates more bass as better).

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

so I went back to my nexus 7 and played around with the eq and found that it does sound fuller, if not a little bit more echo-ie.
but I was hearing things in tracks where I didn't notice in the ip5.

I guess I was fooled by the bassiness of the stock ip5 earbuds (although I'm not one that equates more bass as better).

Objective tests always show the iPhone way ahead in terms of audio quality. Not sure how any of these Android devices even come close.

http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_google_nexus_7-review-797p6.php

 

[cronos]

Objective tests always show the iPhone way ahead in terms of audio quality. Not sure how any of these Android devices even come close.

http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_google_nexus_7-review-797p6.php

Did you mean iPad? No iPhone is listed there related to audio, unless I misunderstood and that link (a review of the Nexus 7 tablet) has nothing to do with your statement regarding the iPhone (that you claimed to be 'way ahead' in audio quality).

And which devices are you referring to when you said 'any of these Android devices'? Were you talking about Android phones or tablet? Or both?

 

[dawheat]

Objective tests always show the iPhone way ahead in terms of audio quality. Not sure how any of these Android devices even come close.

http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_google_nexus_7-review-797p6.php

I believe the newer Samsung phones are considered the equal of the iPhone - I only bring up the Note 2 review since that's the phone I have. I think at the high end smartphone market, most phones have pretty good audio and you're not going to see much differentiation here.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii-review-824p8.php

I've never had to go higher than 1/2 volume, though I do use noise cancelling earbuds.