goddamn sick of truth commercials

[Amused]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: Amused

What right do you have to force the PRIVATE owner of a business to do what makes you comfortable on their PRIVATE PROPERTY?

If a business owner allows smoking, just don't go there. It's that simple. He obviously doesn't want your business anyhow.

Originally posted by: nater
I dont' care if second hand smoke is less harmful than what everyone says, I sitll think all indoor smoking in public places should be BANNED.

I really don't care either way but I if they set it up so it's banned in public places, go for it. Smoke doesn't bother me but it sure as hell isn't pleasing. Private businesses should have their own options but in public, I think it could be interpreted as a health risk and therefore I'm sure there are people trying to get laws passed.

-silver

What public places? Government buildings? Fine, if the majority vote in folks who back that and make it a law, fine. However, no valid study, not even the heavily biased and fraudulent EPA pile of crap maintains that smoke out doors is a hazard. And any other place is PRIVATE. Malls are PRIVATE. Restaurants are PRIVATE. Bars are PRIVATE. Retail stores are PRIVATE.

BTW, I own a number of restaurants. In my state they could be smoking, or not. All my stores are non-smoking. Also, I'm non-smoker myself. I really hate the smell of smoke, too. However, private property rights are more important than my comfort.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: jjyiz28
my fave so far is Project S.C.U.M. that is hilarious. sub culture urban marketing. 😀

and that bum darryl, you ARE scum you dirt. i love how you contribute to society by taking our welfare money. he's probably a damn smoker, most likely you're shooting crack or getting drunk too

stop posting.

p.s. I presume you'd rather have people destroy themselves with cigarettes? I'd rather not. Hey, he might be a bum to you, but he's famous. I don't see you in any commercials. So shutup.

-silver

I agree..

The author of the post is just a sh!t-starter and nothing else.. AND I doubt he can say he has ever done ANYTHING positive for society.

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: iamme
I don't like the "Can you hear me now?" commercials.

i Gaawwd... i just wanna fking kick him square in the nuts. :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|

 

[Cycad]

I hate the stupid "Truth" commercials atleast the tobacco ads are cool. They make me want to be like the poeple in them. I don't want to be like the idiots in the truth commercials.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nater
I dont' care if second hand smoke is less harmful than what everyone says, I sitll think all indoor smoking in public places should be BANNED.

What right do you have to force the PRIVATE owner of a business to do what makes you comfortable on their PRIVATE PROPERTY?

If a business owner allows smoking, just don't go there. It's that simple. He obviously doesn't want your business anyhow.

What if the owner feels like placing arsenic in his food he serves as well? Does he have every right to do that?

We heard this pathetic argument before. First, there is no valid study showing second hand smoke is dangerous. The EPA report was so obviously biased, it was thrown out of federal court.

Secondly, even if you think it is a risk, you know instantly that a place allows smoking or not. It cannot be missed. Hell, just for you, we'll put notification signs on the door. Your comparison is invalid.

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: jjyiz28
my fave so far is Project S.C.U.M. that is hilarious. sub culture urban marketing. 😀

and that bum darryl, you ARE scum you dirt. i love how you contribute to society by taking our welfare money. he's probably a damn smoker, most likely you're shooting crack or getting drunk too

stop posting.

p.s. I presume you'd rather have people destroy themselves with cigarettes? I'd rather not. Hey, he might be a bum to you, but he's famous. I don't see you in any commercials. So shutup.

-silver

I agree..

The author of the post is just a sh!t-starter and nothing else.. AND I doubt he can say he has ever done ANYTHING positive for society.

That reminds me of what me psychology teacher today said after talking about the man who popularized frontal lobotomies in America, "The greatest thing some people have done for society was to die."

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: Amused

What public places? Government buildings? Fine, if the majority vote in folks who back that and make it a law, fine. However, no valid study, not even the heavily biased and fraudulent EPA pile of crap maintains that smoke out doors is a hazard. And any other place is PRIVATE. Malls are PRIVATE. Restaurants are PRIVATE. Bars are PRIVATE. Retail stores are PRIVATE.

BTW, I own a number of restaurants. In my state they could be smoking, or not. All my stores are non-smoking. Also, I'm non-smoker myself. I really hate the smell of smoke, too. However, private property rights are more important than my comfort.

Government buildings, state parks, schools, etc. Those kinds of places.

Private places can do what they want as the owner feels is necessary. I'm sure there will be people for both sides on this one. I think the owner should be able to decide on this one.

I disagree with the fact of smoke being hazardous though. That's like saying that any toxic gas that's outdoors isn't really a risk since it's in such smaller porpotion to the rest of the air. The smoke is still bad for you and can be a health risk, just like if somebody took chlorine gas and put you in a room with it. If you were outside and they were putting chlorine gas in the vicinity, sure, not too many people get hurt. If you're in a smaller area though, it really adds up. Maybe I'm mistaken what's actually in smoke (I thought it had carcinogens, carbon monoxide, etc) so don't take my word for this.

-silver

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nater
I dont' care if second hand smoke is less harmful than what everyone says, I sitll think all indoor smoking in public places should be BANNED.

What right do you have to force the PRIVATE owner of a business to do what makes you comfortable on their PRIVATE PROPERTY?

If a business owner allows smoking, just don't go there. It's that simple. He obviously doesn't want your business anyhow.

What if the owner feels like placing arsenic in his food he serves as well? Does he have every right to do that?

We heard this pathetic argument before. First, there is no valid study showing second hand smoke is dangerous. The EPA report was so obviously biased, it was thrown out of federal court.

Secondly, even if you think it is a risk, you know instantly that a place allows smoking or not. It cannot be missed. Hell, just for you, we'll put notification signs on the door. Your comparison is invalid.

Okay what if the owner puts up a sign that their delectable meat contains BSE. If you don't know what that is Amused it is bovine
spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease

 

[element]

Originally posted by: althor27

Originally posted by: Spac3d
I don't even know why they advertise it. People who smoke are WELL aware of the problems associated with it. Even little kids knows it is "bad" ... althought I am not saying it is good or bad.

If you live in America, you know that consequences. Seeing a commercial is not going to make those people quit. They will quit when they are ready.

DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner. You are absolutely correct!

GONG! We have two idiots. And plenty more where they came from I'll bet. All the more reason for truth commercials, to educate the ignorant public. Newsflash! People who already smoke are not the target group, people (teens) who have yet to pick up their first cig are.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: Amused

What public places? Government buildings? Fine, if the majority vote in folks who back that and make it a law, fine. However, no valid study, not even the heavily biased and fraudulent EPA pile of crap maintains that smoke out doors is a hazard. And any other place is PRIVATE. Malls are PRIVATE. Restaurants are PRIVATE. Bars are PRIVATE. Retail stores are PRIVATE.

BTW, I own a number of restaurants. In my state they could be smoking, or not. All my stores are non-smoking. Also, I'm non-smoker myself. I really hate the smell of smoke, too. However, private property rights are more important than my comfort.

Government buildings, state parks, schools, etc. Those kinds of places.

Private places can do what they want as the owner feels is necessary. I'm sure there will be people for both sides on this one. I think the owner should be able to decide on this one.

I disagree with the fact of smoke being hazardous though. That's like saying that any toxic gas that's outdoors isn't really a risk since it's in such smaller porpotion to the rest of the air. The smoke is still bad for you and can be a health risk, just like if somebody took chlorine gas and put you in a room with it. If you were outside and they were putting chlorine gas in the vicinity, sure, not too many people get hurt. If you're in a smaller area though, it really adds up. Maybe I'm mistaken what's actually in smoke (I thought it had carcinogens, carbon monoxide, etc) so don't take my word for this.

-silver

:::sigh:::

There are carcinogens EVERYWHERE YOU GO AND ON NEARLY EVERYTHING YOU TOUCH. The key to carcinogens is the amount and rate of exposure.

The sun can cause skin cancer. Does this make you stay indoors all day long and hide from the sun like a vampire? No? Why not? You're applying the same standard to cigarette smoke.

Diesel fumes are far, FAR more dangerous than tobacco smoke. Are you calling for bans on diesel trucks and cars? Why not?

Before you take away the freedom of another, you MUST prove their freedom causes you harm. So far, that proof just does not exist for ETS. And even among those who claim it does, not a SINGLE one has made the claim that outdoor smoke presents any hazard.

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nater
I dont' care if second hand smoke is less harmful than what everyone says, I sitll think all indoor smoking in public places should be BANNED.

What right do you have to force the PRIVATE owner of a business to do what makes you comfortable on their PRIVATE PROPERTY?

If a business owner allows smoking, just don't go there. It's that simple. He obviously doesn't want your business anyhow.

What if the owner feels like placing arsenic in his food he serves as well? Does he have every right to do that?

We heard this pathetic argument before. First, there is no valid study showing second hand smoke is dangerous. The EPA report was so obviously biased, it was thrown out of federal court.

Secondly, even if you think it is a risk, you know instantly that a place allows smoking or not. It cannot be missed. Hell, just for you, we'll put notification signs on the door. Your comparison is invalid.

Okay what if the owner puts up a sign that their delectable meat contains BSE. If you don't know what that is Amused it is bovine
spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease

what if this, what if that, cmon. he's talking about smoking in private buildings. stated before, notifications are posted for the people that for some reason can't smell the cigarette smoke.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nater
I dont' care if second hand smoke is less harmful than what everyone says, I sitll think all indoor smoking in public places should be BANNED.

What right do you have to force the PRIVATE owner of a business to do what makes you comfortable on their PRIVATE PROPERTY?

If a business owner allows smoking, just don't go there. It's that simple. He obviously doesn't want your business anyhow.

What if the owner feels like placing arsenic in his food he serves as well? Does he have every right to do that?

We heard this pathetic argument before. First, there is no valid study showing second hand smoke is dangerous. The EPA report was so obviously biased, it was thrown out of federal court.

Secondly, even if you think it is a risk, you know instantly that a place allows smoking or not. It cannot be missed. Hell, just for you, we'll put notification signs on the door. Your comparison is invalid.

Okay what if the owner puts up a sign that their delectable meat contains BSE. If you don't know what that is Amused it is bovine
spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease

An informed risk is an informed risk. If someone wants to commit suicide, who are we to stop them?

Meanwhile, back to reality. Both substances you've come up with are verifiably dangerous to any and all who ingest it. ETS is not, and has not been proven harmful. The only thing people have to point to is that bullsh!t EPA study, and the only people who do that are people who dislike smoke, and will glom on to anything they can to get it banned.

 

[Jhill]

Amused, you will be glad to know that at least one person agrees with you and can think for themself.

BTW I not condoning smoking in any way. Smoking is dangerous and stupid.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: Amused

What public places? Government buildings? Fine, if the majority vote in folks who back that and make it a law, fine. However, no valid study, not even the heavily biased and fraudulent EPA pile of crap maintains that smoke out doors is a hazard. And any other place is PRIVATE. Malls are PRIVATE. Restaurants are PRIVATE. Bars are PRIVATE. Retail stores are PRIVATE.

BTW, I own a number of restaurants. In my state they could be smoking, or not. All my stores are non-smoking. Also, I'm non-smoker myself. I really hate the smell of smoke, too. However, private property rights are more important than my comfort.

Government buildings, state parks, schools, etc. Those kinds of places.

Private places can do what they want as the owner feels is necessary. I'm sure there will be people for both sides on this one. I think the owner should be able to decide on this one.

I disagree with the fact of smoke being hazardous though. That's like saying that any toxic gas that's outdoors isn't really a risk since it's in such smaller porpotion to the rest of the air. The smoke is still bad for you and can be a health risk, just like if somebody took chlorine gas and put you in a room with it. If you were outside and they were putting chlorine gas in the vicinity, sure, not too many people get hurt. If you're in a smaller area though, it really adds up. Maybe I'm mistaken what's actually in smoke (I thought it had carcinogens, carbon monoxide, etc) so don't take my word for this.

-silver

QAmused is right the EPA studies were baised so there is no FACTUAL EVIDENCE that second hand smoke is anything more than an IRRATANT. Bussiness owners should have the choice to decide IF they will allow that behavior in their place of bussiness. You as a consumer and employee have the choice to decide if you want to use of work at said place of bussiness. The Smoking ban in California KILLED many small bars. Personal Property rights should be protected and YOU have the RIGHT to not eat or shop at anyplace that allows smoking.

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: Amused

:::sigh:::

There are carcinogens EVERYWHERE YOU GO AND ON NEARLY EVERYTHING YOU TOUCH. The key to carcinogens is the amount and rate of exposure.

The sun can cause skin cancer. Does this make you stay indoors all day long and hide from the sun like a vampire? No? Why not? You're applying the same standard to cigarette smoke.

Diesel fumes are far, FAR more dangerous than tobacco smoke. Are you calling for bans on diesel trucks and cars? Why not?

Before you take away the freedom of another, you MUST prove their freedom causes you harm. So far, that proof just does not exist for ETS. And even among those who claim it does, not a SINGLE one has made the claim that outdoor smoke presents any hazard.

I think you're taking my responses far more personally than I intended. I actually agree with you, remember? 😛

I'm not one who should be dictating political policies. Hell, if it were up to me, I'd ban smoking ANYWHERE since it's a disgusting, filthy habit that nobody benefits from except some bigshots who are corrupting our political system with their idiotic political lobbying. And that's just the beginning BAYBEE! 😀 I just think that if I had a filthy habit, I wouldn't be exposing it to other people, or make them suffer from my decisions.

-silver

p.s. agnitrate for president 2024

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Okay what if the owner puts up a sign that their delectable meat contains BSE. If you don't know what that is Amused it is bovine
spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease

Can you possibly be any more ignorant? Nobody will eat meat that has a 100% chance of killing you. But lots of people smoke, and if you don't like it go somewhere else. There's plenty of places that cater to your fear of an imaginary problem.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: Amused

:::sigh:::

There are carcinogens EVERYWHERE YOU GO AND ON NEARLY EVERYTHING YOU TOUCH. The key to carcinogens is the amount and rate of exposure.

The sun can cause skin cancer. Does this make you stay indoors all day long and hide from the sun like a vampire? No? Why not? You're applying the same standard to cigarette smoke.

Diesel fumes are far, FAR more dangerous than tobacco smoke. Are you calling for bans on diesel trucks and cars? Why not?

Before you take away the freedom of another, you MUST prove their freedom causes you harm. So far, that proof just does not exist for ETS. And even among those who claim it does, not a SINGLE one has made the claim that outdoor smoke presents any hazard.

I think you're taking my responses far more personally than I intended. I actually agree with you, remember? 😛

I'm not one who should be dictating political policies. Hell, if it were up to me, I'd ban smoking ANYWHERE since it's a disgusting, filthy habit that nobody benefits from except some bigshots who are corrupting our political system with their idiotic political lobbying. And that's just the beginning BAYBEE! 😀 I just think that if I had a filthy habit, I wouldn't be exposing it to other people, or make them suffer from my decisions.

-silver

p.s. agnitrate for president 2024

LOL at least you're honest 🙂

 

[toant103]

i hate the verizon guy.

"can you hear me now"

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Amused


The facts. The EPA report that every state is basing it's laws on is a pile of horsesh!t. Out of dozens of valid studies they picked only the studies that backed their case when in fact, the majority did not. The study was thrown out of federal court for this.

But, just like the breast implant scam, it's grown a life of it's own.

There's a pretty funny commercial here in AZ, they show a stat which is supposed to be shocking---"A child living with 2 smoking parents smokes the equivalent of 100 cigarettes a year"

100 a year? 5 packs? That's 2 cigarettes a week. Who the hell cares? If you go outside without a rebreather you're doing just as much damage.

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Okay what if the owner puts up a sign that their delectable meat contains BSE. If you don't know what that is Amused it is bovine
spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease

Can you possibly be any more ignorant? Nobody will eat meat that has a 100% chance of killing you. But lots of people smoke, and if you don't like it go somewhere else. There's plenty of places that cater to your fear of an imaginary problem.

I never said that smoking should be banned from private businesses, Amused just Assumed that. I was just refuting his philosophy that private business should be able to do whatever the hell they please without Federal consequences.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Okay what if the owner puts up a sign that their delectable meat contains BSE. If you don't know what that is Amused it is bovine
spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease

Can you possibly be any more ignorant? Nobody will eat meat that has a 100% chance of killing you. But lots of people smoke, and if you don't like it go somewhere else. There's plenty of places that cater to your fear of an imaginary problem.

I never said that smoking should be banned from private businesses, Amused just Assumed that. I was just refuting his philosophy that private business should be able to do whatever the hell they please without Federal consequences.

And you completely ignored the difference between assumed risk (if there is any) and unassumed risk.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: jjyiz28

truth commercials are just plain annoying

yes they are, whose truth do you want?

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

There are carcinogens EVERYWHERE YOU GO AND ON NEARLY EVERYTHING YOU TOUCH. The key to carcinogens is the amount and rate of exposure.

The sun can cause skin cancer. Does this make you stay indoors all day long and hide from the sun like a vampire? No? Why not? You're applying the same standard to cigarette smoke.

Diesel fumes are far, FAR more dangerous than tobacco smoke. Are you calling for bans on diesel trucks and cars? Why not?

Before you take away the freedom of another, you MUST prove their freedom causes you harm. So far, that proof just does not exist for ETS. And even among those who claim it does, not a SINGLE one has made the claim that outdoor smoke presents any hazard.

Yeah, carcinogens are everywhere. So do you really need more of them around? How about we just keep polluting the environment till your wifes teat falls off in your lap? And yes I think diesel should be banned, gasoline or better yet CNG is a fine alternative and not nearly as bad. Some busses are already CNG and a step in the right direction. Obviously a step taken by men that can at least put 2 brain cells together to form a coherent thought better than you.

And as far as the sun, do you see anyone sitting in it all day without sunscreen? Every day? Please. Try forming coherent thoughts instead of coherent arguments. And stop trying to rationalize your filthy habit, or support big tobacco because you or the political party you idolize makes money off of it.

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: jjyiz28

truth commercials are just plain annoying

yes they are, whose truth do you want?

like i said before you could do commercials tastefully or not. truth commercials are tacky, and i already stated a commercial that wasn't.

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: element®

Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

There are carcinogens EVERYWHERE YOU GO AND ON NEARLY EVERYTHING YOU TOUCH. The key to carcinogens is the amount and rate of exposure.

The sun can cause skin cancer. Does this make you stay indoors all day long and hide from the sun like a vampire? No? Why not? You're applying the same standard to cigarette smoke.

Diesel fumes are far, FAR more dangerous than tobacco smoke. Are you calling for bans on diesel trucks and cars? Why not?

Before you take away the freedom of another, you MUST prove their freedom causes you harm. So far, that proof just does not exist for ETS. And even among those who claim it does, not a SINGLE one has made the claim that outdoor smoke presents any hazard.

Yeah, carcinogens are everywhere. So do you really need more of them around? How about we just keep polluting the environment till your wifes teat falls off in your lap? And yes I think diesel should be banned, gasoline or better yet CNG is a fine alternative and not nearly as bad. Some busses are already CNG and a step in the right direction. Obviously a step taken by men that can at least put 2 brain cells together to form a coherent thought better than you.

And as far as the sun, do you see anyone sitting in it all day without sunscreen? Every day? Please. Try forming coherent thoughts instead of coherent arguments. And stop trying to rationalize your filthy habit, or support big tobacco because you or the political party you idolize makes money off of it.

"big tobacco"??? aye vai. thats funny.

well, i don't smoke and i don't make money off of "big tobacco". and i agree with all that amused have said so far.



"Newsflash! People who already smoke are not the target group, people (teens) who have yet to pick up their first cig are."

and i don't think teens are oblivious to the fact that cigs are dangerous and bad for you.