goddamn sick of truth commercials

[element]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Amused


The facts. The EPA report that every state is basing it's laws on is a pile of horsesh!t. Out of dozens of valid studies they picked only the studies that backed their case when in fact, the majority did not. The study was thrown out of federal court for this.

But, just like the breast implant scam, it's grown a life of it's own.

There's a pretty funny commercial here in AZ, they show a stat which is supposed to be shocking---"A child living with 2 smoking parents smokes the equivalent of 100 cigarettes a year"

100 a year? 5 packs? That's 2 cigarettes a week. Who the hell cares? If you go outside without a rebreather you're doing just as much damage.

Really? Just as much damage? Where is your evidence of that? Or are you the antithesis of truth commercials?

You tagline could be:
LIES: The lie is out there.

I love the t-shirts calling Bush a liar too. Tards. Yeah and Saddam is a peacenik who doesn't really have a WMD program. Those Samoud missiles he claims to have not had and is now ordered to destroy were just rockets for his space program. He intends to explore the space between your ears.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: element®

Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

There are carcinogens EVERYWHERE YOU GO AND ON NEARLY EVERYTHING YOU TOUCH. The key to carcinogens is the amount and rate of exposure.

The sun can cause skin cancer. Does this make you stay indoors all day long and hide from the sun like a vampire? No? Why not? You're applying the same standard to cigarette smoke.

Diesel fumes are far, FAR more dangerous than tobacco smoke. Are you calling for bans on diesel trucks and cars? Why not?

Before you take away the freedom of another, you MUST prove their freedom causes you harm. So far, that proof just does not exist for ETS. And even among those who claim it does, not a SINGLE one has made the claim that outdoor smoke presents any hazard.

Yeah, carcinogens are everywhere. So do you really need more of them around? How about we just keep polluting the environment till your wifes teat falls off in your lap? And yes I think diesel should be banned, gasoline or better yet CNG is a fine alternative and not nearly as bad. Some busses are already CNG and a step in the right direction. Obviously a step taken by men that can at least put 2 brain cells together to form a coherent thought better than you.

And as far as the sun, do you see anyone sitting in it all day without sunscreen? Every day? Please. Try forming coherent thoughts instead of coherent arguments. And stop trying to rationalize your filthy habit, or support big tobacco because you or the political party you idolize makes money off of it.

First off, I'm a NON-SMOKER who really hates the smell of smoke. I know it makes you feel better to accuse people of being biased, rather than actually address the issue, but you wont get away with that with me.

Secondly, for the umteenth time, ETS has NOT been proven harmful by any reasonable measure. It's as harmful as breast implants, and we all know how that went.

Finally, most carcinogens we experience every day are NATURAL. The sunlight is fine, in moderation. That was my point. To fear cigarette smoke OUTDOORS (that was what I was responding to) is silly. To complain about OCCATIONAL and very light exposure to ETS is even sillier. As I said, that's even more silly than complaining about occational and light exposure to the sun.

BTW, the "big tobacco" argument is a ploy to distract the fusking ignorant. It seems to have worked for you. People smoked BEFORE comapnies sold it, and will continue to smoke even if you put them out of business. They are providing a LEGAL product to people who want it.

Take your bullsh!t elitism somewhere else.

 

[Chaotic42]

ScottyB:

Dude, seriously. Give it up man. You know that your argument has no basis. Heck, I have a fever and I'm doped up on meds, and I could see that with your first post.

Let's say that Bob owns Bob's Restaurant. Bob, being a citizen of the US, is free to set up his business and sell whatever legal products that he wants.

Now, every school child is told that smoking is bad. Every one of them. Even the worst, most run down schools in the poor parts of Louisiana have posters, health classes, and have nurses come in and tell them that. Unless the child is mentally underdeveloped, every 6 year old kid knows this.

Back to Bob. Bob lives in a state where he can allow smoking in his restaurant, or not. His call. Bob owns the land, the building, everything in the restaurant. That means that you do things his way, or you get out. No one is forcing you to be there.

If Bob allows smoking, and puts up a sign that says so, you know this when you walk in the door. You see the sign. When you walk in the door, there is a good chance that there will be smoke. You don't have to open the door. You can go home and make your own dinner, or go to one of the 15 restaurants in town that don't allow smoking. It's your own personal decision to make. You've been informed of what's in there.

If Bob puts up a sign that says: "Bob's Restaurant, now with nickel carbonyl gas!", you know that if you walk in there, you're going to be exposed to nickel carbonyl gas. You make an informed decision on whether or not to go in. If you go in and die, how is that anyone's fault but your own?

I hope that I remember posting this. I'd like to discuss this issue with you further.

🙂

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: element®

Originally posted by: althor27

Originally posted by: Spac3d
I don't even know why they advertise it. People who smoke are WELL aware of the problems associated with it. Even little kids knows it is "bad" ... althought I am not saying it is good or bad.

If you live in America, you know that consequences. Seeing a commercial is not going to make those people quit. They will quit when they are ready.

DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner. You are absolutely correct!

GONG! We have two idiots. And plenty more where they came from I'll bet. All the more reason for truth commercials, to educate the ignorant public. Newsflash! People who already smoke are not the target group, people (teens) who have yet to pick up their first cig are.

We have a more serious problem in this country than smoking if we have to educate people through 30 second shock-content commercials.

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: Amused

What right do you have to force the PRIVATE owner of a business to do what makes you comfortable on their PRIVATE PROPERTY?

If a business owner allows smoking, just don't go there. It's that simple. He obviously doesn't want your business anyhow.

Originally posted by: nater
I dont' care if second hand smoke is less harmful than what everyone says, I sitll think all indoor smoking in public places should be BANNED.

I really don't care either way but I if they set it up so it's banned in public places, go for it. Smoke doesn't bother me but it sure as hell isn't pleasing. Private businesses should have their own options but in public, I think it could be interpreted as a health risk and therefore I'm sure there are people trying to get laws passed.

-silver

don't forget that it is unfair for non-smoking employees to receive second hand smoke
What public places? Government buildings? Fine, if the majority vote in folks who back that and make it a law, fine. However, no valid study, not even the heavily biased and fraudulent EPA pile of crap maintains that smoke out doors is a hazard. And any other place is PRIVATE. Malls are PRIVATE. Restaurants are PRIVATE. Bars are PRIVATE. Retail stores are PRIVATE.

BTW, I own a number of restaurants. In my state they could be smoking, or not. All my stores are non-smoking. Also, I'm non-smoker myself. I really hate the smell of smoke, too. However, private property rights are more important than my comfort.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: Amused

What right do you have to force the PRIVATE owner of a business to do what makes you comfortable on their PRIVATE PROPERTY?

If a business owner allows smoking, just don't go there. It's that simple. He obviously doesn't want your business anyhow.

Originally posted by: nater
I dont' care if second hand smoke is less harmful than what everyone says, I sitll think all indoor smoking in public places should be BANNED.

I really don't care either way but I if they set it up so it's banned in public places, go for it. Smoke doesn't bother me but it sure as hell isn't pleasing. Private businesses should have their own options but in public, I think it could be interpreted as a health risk and therefore I'm sure there are people trying to get laws passed.

-silver

don't forget that it is unfair for non-smoking employees to receive second hand smoke

More bullsh!t. A job is a mutual agreement, not forced slavery. If you don't like smoke, don't take a job at a place that allows smoking. It's really that simple.

What is "unfair" is an employee taking a job knowing full well that they will encounter smoke, and THEN complaining about it.