God is bigger than your imagination

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Sho'Nuff

Diamond Member
Jul 12, 2007
6,211
121
106
Any Being capable of creating the ENTIRE FUCKING UNIVERSE is powerful beyond your imagination. You are a speck on top of a moldy rock that orbits on of trillions and trillions of stars. If you think that your particular religion is the only one that explains the nature of this Being then you are just an arrogant fool.

He/she/it might be bigger than my imagination . . . but I'm pretty sure he/she/it is not bigger than my . . . well . . . you know.

And not to wax philosophical but surely god is capable of creating something "bigger" than itself, right? Or at least bigger than "part" of itself.

I keed of course. God's junk is slightly bigger than my own. But only slightly.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
26,353
1,862
126
Which god is your favorite god?

I think Freyr is my favorite. Every time I make an offering to Freyr, I get laid.
It's a real shame that Freyr had to give up his magic sword for a woman. Yes, he still kicks ass as is evident by him defeating Beli with just an antler, but it sucks that he will be killed by that asshole fire giant Surtr during Ragnarok.

You guys can believe in crazy separation anxiety impossibly omnipotent gods, but, I choose instead the much more realistic norse gods as my favorites.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
27,928
143
106
I don't understand why anyone thinks there HAS to be a creator.

1) In the first part of his Summa Theologica, Thomas Aquinas developed his five arguments for God's existence. These arguments are grounded in an Aristotelian ontology and make use of the infinite regression argument.[19][20] Aquinas did not intend to fully prove the existence of God as he is orthodoxly conceived (with all of his traditional attributes), but proposed his Five Ways as a first stage, which he built upon later in his work.[21] Aquinas' Five Ways argued from the unmoved mover, first cause, necessary being, argument from degree, and the teleological argument.

1a)The unmoved mover argument asserts that, from our experience of motion in the universe (motion being the transition from potentiality to actuality) we can see that there must have been an initial mover. Aquinas argued that whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another thing, so there must be an unmoved mover.[19]

2a)Aquinas' argument from first cause started with the premise that it is impossible for a being to cause itself (because it would have to exist before it caused itself) and that it is impossible for there to be an infinite chain of causes, which would result in infinite regress. Therefore, there must be a first cause, itself uncaused.[19]

3a)The argument from necessary being asserts that all beings are contingent, meaning that it is possible for them not to exist. Aquinas argued that if everything can possibly not exist, there must have been a time when nothing existed; as things exist now, there must exist a being with necessary existence, regarded as God.[19]

4a)Aquinas argued from degree, considering the occurrence of degrees of goodness. He believed that things which are called good, must be called good in relation to a standard of good – a maximum. There must be a maximum goodness that which causes all goodness.[19]

5a)The teleological argument asserts the view that things without intelligence are ordered towards a purpose. Aquinas argued that unintelligent objects cannot be ordered unless they are done so by an intelligent being, which means that there must be an intelligent being to move objects to their ends: God.[19]

2) Charles Taylor contends that the real is whatever will not go away. If we cannot reduce talk about God to anything else, or replace it, or prove it false, then perhaps God is as real as anything else.[15]

3) In George Berkeley's A Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge of 1710, he argued that a "naked thought" cannot exist, and that a perception was a thought; therefore only minds could be proven to exist, since all else was merely an idea conveyed by a perception. This viewpoint has been used in popular fiction, including The Matrix movie series. From this Berkeley argued that the universe is based upon observation and is non-objective. However, he noted that the universe includes "ideas" not perceptible to mankind (or not always perceptible), and that there must therefore exist an omniscient superobserver, which perceives such things. Berkeley considered this proof of the existence of the Christian God.
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
15,987
2
81
Any Being capable of creating the ENTIRE FUCKING UNIVERSE is powerful beyond your imagination. You are a speck on top of a moldy rock that orbits on of trillions and trillions of stars. If you think that your particular religion is the only one that explains the nature of this Being then you are just an arrogant fool.
The problem is that all or most religions make stupid claims that are known to be wrong. The only way to get some understanding of god is to abandon religion and its idiotic ideas.

A short list of crazy things claimed by religions:
-young earth creationism
-condoms don't prevent HIV (christians have fought against condom use in Africa)
-global flood
-outer space is filled with water (separated by the "firmament")
-sprinkling bird blood on a person will cure leprosy
-sex with a virgin cures HIV (widely believed in Africa)

As people get more religious, their understanding of god decreases. How can you understand your own maker without understanding the maker's creation?

Where did the universe come from?
Made in China
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
11,684
5,228
136
So, believing in God means you believe in predestination, correct? And that "free will" is a complete illusion, right? Since God knows all, past, present, and future, no matter what choice anyone makes, God already knows that choice will be made, ergo, only an illusion of free will.

And if we're the reason God created earth, the Milky Way, our galaxy and universe, why did God waste time creating the multiplicity of galaxies, universes, etc? Since we're the only sentient beings around, why the waste of effort, time, resources, etc?

And why are there no kangaroos in California? Or no duck billed platypuses in Africa? Guess the story of Noah and the ark was rather incomplete as Noah must have motored all around the earth, distributing his cargo rather poorly as many species of animals/birds/etc. only exist in rather narrow confines within certain continents. Always wondered why we have so many species that are only found in one spot on the globe, and nowhere near where the Ark supposedly came to rest.

And if the designer of us is so all knowing, why the horrible design of us? Seriously, iron as the oxygen/carbon dioxide carrying agent in our body? Couldn't think of anything else that might have worked better, esp. considering iron has a greater affinity for carbon monoxide---so much so that once hemaglobin takes up CO, it holds onto it despite being exposed to oxygen afterward. And the appendix? Really? Who's good idea was that? Maybe we weren't "supposed" to discover fire, eh?


And where are my slaves? Notice nowhere in the Bible is slavery condemned; instead there are numerous references in the Bible for the "care" of slaves, like slavery is completely acceptable and almost routine. Strange, that the inspired word of God is curiously on the wrong side of human bondage.
 
Last edited:

Juddog

Diamond Member
Dec 11, 2006
7,851
6
81
So, believing in God means you believe in predestination, correct? And that "free will" is a complete illusion, right? Since God knows all, past, present, and future, no matter what choice anyone makes, God already knows that choice will be made, ergo, only an illusion of free will.

And if we're the reason God created earth, the Milky Way, our galaxy and universe, why did God waste time creating the multiplicity of galaxies, universes, etc? Since we're the only sentient beings around, why the waste of effort, time, resources, etc?

And why are there no kangaroos in California? Or no duck billed platypuses in Africa? Guess the story of Noah and the ark was rather incomplete as Noah must have motored all around the earth, distributing his cargo rather poorly as many species of animals/birds/etc. only exist in rather narrow confines within certain continents. Always wondered why we have so many species that are only found in one spot on the globe, and nowhere near where the Ark supposedly came to rest.

And if the designer of us is so all knowing, why the horrible design of us? Seriously, iron as the oxygen/carbon dioxide carrying agent in our body? Couldn't think of anything else that might have worked better, esp. considering iron has a greater affinity for carbon monoxide---so much so that once hemaglobin takes up CO, it holds onto it despite being exposed to oxygen afterward. And the appendix? Really? Who's good idea was that? Maybe we weren't "supposed" to discover fire, eh?


And where are my slaves? Notice nowhere in the Bible is slavery condemned; instead there are numerous references in the Bible for the "care" of slaves, like slavery is completely acceptable and almost routine. Strange, that the inspired word of God is curiously on the wrong side of human bondage.

Might as well link the discussion from Neil DeGrasse Tyson against Intelligent Design:
http://youtu.be/Ti3mtDC2fQo
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
24,326
68
91
From this Berkeley argued that the universe is based upon observation and is non-objective. However, he noted that the universe includes "ideas" not perceptible to mankind (or not always perceptible), and that there must therefore exist an omniscient superobserver, which perceives such things. Berkeley considered this proof of the existence of the Christian God.
lol, why?

Thanks for the info though. It's good to read about those philosophical concepts.
 

mattpegher

Platinum Member
Jun 18, 2006
2,203
0
71
He does bring up that old crap argument that religions have used for centuries, that of "the nature of god is beyond human understanding". I contend that nothing is beyond understanding, it may be difficult to discuss but we humans have contemplated this and we call it metaphysics. It utilizes rules of logic to establish certain inconsistencies. If as stated there is a god then this god must be defined. The definitions carry with them certain requirements and if logical consistencies exist then the definitions must be changed. Much like the scientific method uses physical evidence, metaphysic uses logical evidence.
 

blankslate

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2008
8,797
572
126
Any Being capable of creating the ENTIRE FUCKING UNIVERSE is powerful beyond your imagination. You are a speck on top of a moldy rock that orbits on of trillions and trillions of stars. If you think that your particular religion is the only one that explains the nature of this Being then you are just an arrogant fool.

But what about the BEING that created the universe that the Being your mention resides in and was able to create his universe in a high school science experiment from?

In short which BEING created the universe of the Being who created this universe?

Universes may be in to process of being "created" as we speak. It's really mind blowing if you think about it.
 

Pray To Jesus

Diamond Member
Mar 14, 2011
3,622
0
0
1) In the first part of his Summa Theologica, Thomas Aquinas developed his five arguments for God's existence. These arguments are grounded in an Aristotelian ontology and make use of the infinite regression argument.[19][20] Aquinas did not intend to fully prove the existence of God as he is orthodoxly conceived (with all of his traditional attributes), but proposed his Five Ways as a first stage, which he built upon later in his work.[21] Aquinas' Five Ways argued from the unmoved mover, first cause, necessary being, argument from degree, and the teleological argument.

1a)The unmoved mover argument asserts that, from our experience of motion in the universe (motion being the transition from potentiality to actuality) we can see that there must have been an initial mover. Aquinas argued that whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another thing, so there must be an unmoved mover.[19]

2a)Aquinas' argument from first cause started with the premise that it is impossible for a being to cause itself (because it would have to exist before it caused itself) and that it is impossible for there to be an infinite chain of causes, which would result in infinite regress. Therefore, there must be a first cause, itself uncaused.[19]

3a)The argument from necessary being asserts that all beings are contingent, meaning that it is possible for them not to exist. Aquinas argued that if everything can possibly not exist, there must have been a time when nothing existed; as things exist now, there must exist a being with necessary existence, regarded as God.[19]

4a)Aquinas argued from degree, considering the occurrence of degrees of goodness. He believed that things which are called good, must be called good in relation to a standard of good – a maximum. There must be a maximum goodness that which causes all goodness.[19]

5a)The teleological argument asserts the view that things without intelligence are ordered towards a purpose. Aquinas argued that unintelligent objects cannot be ordered unless they are done so by an intelligent being, which means that there must be an intelligent being to move objects to their ends: God.[19]

2) Charles Taylor contends that the real is whatever will not go away. If we cannot reduce talk about God to anything else, or replace it, or prove it false, then perhaps God is as real as anything else.[15]

3) In George Berkeley's A Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge of 1710, he argued that a "naked thought" cannot exist, and that a perception was a thought; therefore only minds could be proven to exist, since all else was merely an idea conveyed by a perception. This viewpoint has been used in popular fiction, including The Matrix movie series. From this Berkeley argued that the universe is based upon observation and is non-objective. However, he noted that the universe includes "ideas" not perceptible to mankind (or not always perceptible), and that there must therefore exist an omniscient superobserver, which perceives such things. Berkeley considered this proof of the existence of the Christian God.

Thanks. The reasoning is pretty awesome.