God I hate the fvcking fox news channel!

[Napsterhaven]

You know with all this shlt going on I just wish I was 5 again and didnt understand what was going wrong with the world today. I do miss the days of eating dirt. Now there is a real problem.

 

[LunarRay]

Quote by Etech

Photon, those who refuse to entertain any view not consistant with there own display the first quadrumanous stages consistant with the regression of thought also found in and around 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Look there goes one now...[/quote]

For some reason I find this interesting. A person that would use quadrumanous in a sentence but also does not know the difference between 'there' and 'their'.[/quote]

To my knowledge there is only one word that defines the action I intended... I saw that I used the there there instead of their their but figured who cares the message is the same regardless so I let it be.. I misspell or misuse wourds all the times. Goes with my NYC upbringing... you'll see your instead of you're at times from me too... or to.
I assume the other part of the message was not interesting and I feel hurt. Sad really, that it did not engender a response from you especially..

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: HJD1
Gee.. now this really surprises me.. CNN et al, NYT, and the Post are a bit left, but the rest are at least mid road, at least to this weary mind.. I guess it is all a matter of distance.. the further away one is from the mainstream the more difficult to hear what one is wishing to hear.
I guess we'll have four more Greenspan years... nice person.

Exactly. Of course they seem middle of the road to a liberal. I'm sure Moonbeam even thinks CNN is part of the "vast right-wing conspiracy". And if the ones you mention seem to be "a bit left" to you, that means they are very left.

I've been on both sides. I used to be very liberal. I can be objective about opinions from both sides. Yes, Fox leans right, but no more than all the other major news stations lean left.
Actually, I'll partially remove MSNBC. While NBC News is clearly liberal, MSNBC actually has a decent number of conservative commentators.

I think the reason everyone sees Fox as more biased is because they are much more open in their political viewpoints. There is no way you can be unclear about the political views of Sheperd Smith and Sean Hannity. They are not afraid to admit it. This is in stark contrast to the subtleness of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN. The vast majority of people at those stations are liberals. But they do not make it so obvious. Instead of making it clear in their statements, they make it clear in their actions and by the stories they choose to do. Just look at the interview with Saddam. He wasn't even questioned on the election results. Oh, 100% voted for you, OK. Yeah, that's good objective reporting.

You can argue all day about how news stations should be objective, but I would much rather know the political views of the reporters rather than having them hide it and pretend to be neutral. Dangerous views are far more dangerous in private than in public.

Are you Moonbeam?
I see your sig, but unless you have a split personality, you can't be the same person, because while your posts are clearly liberal, they have reasonable arguments and are much clearer than the extraordinary strangeness in the Moonbeam posts.

Re: Fox... I listened to Hannity and thought him to be Right of Right and his partner about middle.
The factor guy seemed about mid right and very interesting.
If you use to be "very liberal" was that from your view or from a liberal's view?
Regarding the other Stations you mentioned... I guess I don't spend much time listening to what they suggest X or Y means I try to attach my own meaning. I, choose the station that comes in the clearest... lots of static hereabouts.
Re: The Saddam interview... I don't think the question about election results should have be asked since it would have not produced anything newsworthy. Geraldo, who I know from his work at Willowbrook in Staten Island is left BUT is after the story where ever it goes. When he was a functioning attorney he worked to help in the housing problems and as a deputy DA well... he tried.

RE: Am I Mr. Moonbeam... No and neither is he, I have learned from reading his posts... read deeper if you wish and uncover what mystery is unveiled. The reason a yacht has a keel is to help it sink faster or stay upright as the wind seeks to have its way. Even a casual read of Photon's message (not all of them some are just normal dialog) will reveal something deeper to think about. Having never had the pleasure of this type of forum discussion before I entered with another objective (getting tech info) and soon found it to be addictive but, informative. I never realized that the polar regions were so populated.

 

[EXman]

I love the fox channel! I thought it was funny as hell listening to them making fun of some of the Saddamites. The only channel with out a liberal bias has a lot of appeal these days just look at the ratings.

just go watch CNN the liberal news channel no ones forcing you to watch Fox news so stop whining!

 

[ElFenix]

eh, i hate fox news too.

 

[Moonbeam]

Good Christ, HJD1, don't you dare make any spelling mistakes when you praise me. It could drastically decrease my credibility as well as your own, not that I'm worried much about the former, mind you.

I told etech he is Startrek's Nomad but I guess he's forgotten.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Good Christ, HJD1, don't you dare make any spelling mistakes when you praise me. It could drastically decrease my credibility as well as your own, not that I'm worried much about the former, mind you.

I told etech he is Startrek's Nomad but I guess he's forgotten.

Nomad is Damon backwards.... I now even read the words in reverse... and ya know who he was .... In the movie.
So it's from the future come the past to rule the present with the eternal as the criteria.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: HJD1
Gee.. now this really surprises me.. CNN et al, NYT, and the Post are a bit left, but the rest are at least mid road, at least to this weary mind.. I guess it is all a matter of distance.. the further away one is from the mainstream the more difficult to hear what one is wishing to hear.
I guess we'll have four more Greenspan years... nice person.

Exactly. Of course they seem middle of the road to a liberal. I'm sure Moonbeam even thinks CNN is part of the "vast right-wing conspiracy". And if the ones you mention seem to be "a bit left" to you, that means they are very left.

I've been on both sides. I used to be very liberal. I can be objective about opinions from both sides. Yes, Fox leans right, but no more than all the other major news stations lean left.
Actually, I'll partially remove MSNBC. While NBC News is clearly liberal, MSNBC actually has a decent number of conservative commentators.

I think the reason everyone sees Fox as more biased is because they are much more open in their political viewpoints. There is no way you can be unclear about the political views of Sheperd Smith and Sean Hannity. They are not afraid to admit it. This is in stark contrast to the subtleness of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN. The vast majority of people at those stations are liberals. But they do not make it so obvious. Instead of making it clear in their statements, they make it clear in their actions and by the stories they choose to do. Just look at the interview with Saddam. He wasn't even questioned on the election results. Oh, 100% voted for you, OK. Yeah, that's good objective reporting.

You can argue all day about how news stations should be objective, but I would much rather know the political views of the reporters rather than having them hide it and pretend to be neutral. Dangerous views are far more dangerous in private than in public.

Are you Moonbeam?
I see your sig, but unless you have a split personality, you can't be the same person, because while your posts are clearly liberal, they have reasonable arguments and are much clearer than the extraordinary strangeness in the Moonbeam posts.

Re: Fox... I listened to Hannity and thought him to be Right of Right and his partner about middle.
The factor guy seemed about mid right and very interesting.
If you use to be "very liberal" was that from your view or from a liberal's view?
Regarding the other Stations you mentioned... I guess I don't spend much time listening to what they suggest X or Y means I try to attach my own meaning. I, choose the station that comes in the clearest... lots of static hereabouts.
Re: The Saddam interview... I don't think the question about election results should have be asked since it would have not produced anything newsworthy. Geraldo, who I know from his work at Willowbrook in Staten Island is left BUT is after the story where ever it goes. When he was a functioning attorney he worked to help in the housing problems and as a deputy DA well... he tried.

RE: Am I Mr. Moonbeam... No and neither is he, I have learned from reading his posts... read deeper if you wish and uncover what mystery is unveiled. The reason a yacht has a keel is to help it sink faster or stay upright as the wind seeks to have its way. Even a casual read of Photon's message (not all of them some are just normal dialog) will reveal something deeper to think about. Having never had the pleasure of this type of forum discussion before I entered with another objective (getting tech info) and soon found it to be addictive but, informative. I never realized that the polar regions were so populated.

Well, I mean I protested the first Gulf War, thought republicans were evil, hated Reagan and Bush 1, and always checked the Democrat box on ballots for president, governor, congress, and all state and local elections, even if I had no idea who the people running were. I didn't mean I was a super extremist liberal. Just that all my views on virtually every subject were very clearly liberal.

I agree on Hannity and Colmes. And they do portray it as if it is a balance of conservative vs. liberal. But Colmes is clearly a moderate, and he's not nearly as good at arguing as Hannity.

I really like O'Reilly. (the factor) I think he is conservative, but is unbiased. He makes it very clear what he thinks, but I have heard him complain about conservatives many times. He seems very honest in pointing out things he thinks are right and wrong, regardless of which side they are on.
He's kinda like Bill Maher. Maher is clearly a liberal, but has never been afraid to heavily criticize liberals and democrats.

 

[LunarRay]

Quote by Shanti

I agree on Hannity and Colmes. And they do portray it as if it is a balance of conservative vs. liberal. But Colmes is clearly a moderate, and he's not nearly as good at arguing as Hannity.

I really like O'Reilly. (the factor) I think he is conservative, but is unbiased. He makes it very clear what he thinks, but I have heard him complain about conservatives many times. He seems very honest in pointing out things he thinks are right and wrong, regardless of which side they are on.
He's kinda like Bill Maher. Maher is clearly a liberal, but has never been afraid to heavily criticize liberals and democrats.[/quote]

Hannity rationilizes from a perspective that, at times, seems to negate those aspects that run contra to his dogma.
Because of that I don't find him entertaining... His guests are another story. They are the movers and shakers and what they have to say IS important.

I somehow lost the first part of your post... but, I remember the gist. Reagan, Bush the elder and others during that era were not impressive in what I consider important... The Economy. From the economy comes the strength to do much in the other areas of an administration's responsibility. To increase the Debt via targeted spending is one thing but, to use that vehicle to Supply Side Trickle Down is not targeting anything but the ones who got tax cuts or Defense Spending benifits. If they created infastructure and used debt to finance it ok. But, He who uses debt to finance current spending is on the road to ruin. The other aspects of that era regarding Ollie North and illegal arms sales and Cap et. al. was flat wrong. The fact that they did little to promote domestic programs... remember the HUD fiasco... indicates a foreign policy agenda at the cost of everything else.... Maybe that was a good thing... but, I see what is near me more clearer than what is so very far away... The cold war would have ended anyhow even if the Soviets could match our spending...

I said before, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative... I am willing to forsake foreign agenda for domestic agenda and thereby isolate until we have a strong Mfg. base in the US and full employment and then I'll look across the ocean... The foundation that our foreign affairs rests on is our economy and if others can influence it to the extent they can we are week.

 

[DT4K]

I was just trying to answer your question:

If you use to be "very liberal" was that from your view or from a liberal's view?

Social Liberal and Fiscal Conservative? Sounds like an impossible balancing act.

How does the Fiscal Conservative side of you intend to pay for the Social Liberal's programs?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Shanti
I was just trying to answer your question:

If you use to be "very liberal" was that from your view or from a liberal's view?

Social Liberal and Fiscal Conservative? Sounds like an impossible balancing act.

How does the Fiscal Conservative side of you intend to pay for the Social Liberal's programs?

It is not easy or very easy depending on ones values.. I always start with the Fiscal side of things. I am prone to advocate economic stimulus that seeks to remedy the blips in the economic stream not wholesale changes in the hope of righting some inequity or another. I could care less if a millionaire pays 10% tax or 90% tax if all other things are equal. I advocate curtailment in spending that does not achieve my objectives as it relates to anything foreign. I advocate a balanced budget via a strong economy based on a strong manufacturing base. I accept a 3% unemployment rate as being full employment. I refuse to "give fish when I have the option to teach the art of fishing" regarding social programs in general. I know that all things will achieve equilibrium over time regarding minimum wage, cost of goods sold and the income of the classes... the rich will always be rich compared to the middle and lower class... it is the way of things regardless of the cost to employers of health care etc.. IF the competition is from within the USA. When you allow sweat shop labor coupled with weakness of foreign currency to compete against American companies we can't win.
So I advocate letting them sink or swim as they see fit and change their lives accordingly...
Now... having said that... I understand the downside of not helping our foreign friends and all... and I'm all for it if they pay for it... We should get free oil from Kuwait for awhile and pay down our debt for the effort there...
The Hard part is that all things must work toward the same objective... no piecemeal this or that... everything going in the same direction otherwise it won't work at all..
Oh... I forgot...War.. invade a friend or me and watch out... I have no problem in breaking some nation of that habit through whatever means are necessary... MAD notwithstanding.

 

[MrPALCO]

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What you hate is being confronted with Truth.

 

[MajorCaliber]

You're parents must be really disappointed in you!