oh oh oh, where did you meet this god that "told" you these things? i wanna ask him for some cuties.
oh oh oh, where did you meet this god that "told" you these things? i wanna ask him for some cuties.
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I read somewhere that the catholics will be forced to close a bunch of parishs soon, I guess "firing" a part of the congregation and downsizing are part of the corporate restructuring process 
"Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!"
..........Psalms 137:9
"Samar'ia shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open."
..........Hosea 13:16
"...Men'ahem sacked Tappuah and all who were in it and its territory from Tirzah on; because they did not open it to him, therefore he sacked it, and ripped up all the women in it who were with child."
..........2 Kings 15:16
"Behold the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger...Whoever is found will be thrust through and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes, their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished."
..........Isaiah 13:9, 13:15
"I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with your flowing blood..."
..........Ezekiel 32:5
And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
..........Jeremiah 13:14
Life is precious to God? Yeah, right. Anyway, this is the Old Testament....Jewish Law....so we must close our eyes and forget about that half of the Bible. Right?[/quote]
only about two of those quotes support what you're saying.
First quote is a psalm written by one of the Jews in exile. There is no way this could be interpreted as "God approving of murder"
The second could be considered that, but it's more of a trend in motion...in other words, the invaders are already on their way, and God just steps back and allows it to continue, rather than saving Samaria.
The third one is historical reporting. Unless you're trying for the "if God is good why does he allow evil to exist", it doesn't apply.
The fourth one is another trend in motion.
The next two are the closest to the point you were making.
As for the thread: Abortion is very much a moot point when it comes to elections...the Republicans aren't going to stop it, the Democrats aren't going to extend it. So seriously, if you're going to vote based on single issues, make it something else...
0roo0roo
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remember the churches position on this is as constant as their position on whether clergy can marry. the catholic churches original position was that abortion within the 40 days or so was allowed. same as in early jewish law... where even the punishment for causing a woman to miscarry was only a monetary fine, it was not considered murder. same with early islamic law etc etc
Good grief, Passions done gone and put da' juice bruce back in da' bile thumpers.
Call ConEd and report this thief....
-Robert
Call ConEd and report this thief....
-Robert
There are a lot of things that aren't covered specifically in the scripture but there are enough
pricinciples of what is right and what is wrong to educate most people. But people who have an
axe to grind can take out a few verses and try to build their case on those verses only but
it doesn't wash when you take in all the principles of the scripture.
Most of the scripture you quoted has to do with God's judgement against a sinful and wicked world.
Now if you don't think this world is sinful and wicked in it's nature that's a whole nother thread
sandorski
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Originally posted by: jyates
There are a lot of things that aren't covered specifically in the scripture but there are enough
pricinciples of what is right and what is wrong to educate most people. But people who have an
axe to grind can take out a few verses and try to build their case on those verses only but
it doesn't wash when you take in all the principles of the scripture.
Most of the scripture you quoted has to do with God's judgement against a sinful and wicked world.
Now if you don't think this world is sinful and wicked in it's nature that's a whole nother thread
"th Principles of the scripture" are way open for interpretation, which is the cause of many disagreements throughout the Ages, including much blood letting. I think Paul had the right idea when he said, "Mind thine own business"(taken great liberties with the interpretation
).
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jyates
hehe.....you'll have to give me the verse on that paraphrase!
No verse, but checkout his discussions of Meat sacrificed to Idols.
That's found in 1 Corinthians Chapter 8 verses 4 through 13 and it deals
with the Christian's freedom to eat meat that has been offered to idols
(an issue in the early church)
but Paul says even though Christians know there is nothing wrong with the
meat since it was actually offered to an idol and not to the one and true God,
that he would not eat it in the presence of a "weak" brother or one that
has a problem with it (lack of spiritual maturity) because it would be an offense
to the weaker brother in Christ.
Not actually teaching to "mind thine own business" but rather to be concerned
about the "weaker" brethen in the body of Christ.
sandorski
No Lifer
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Originally posted by: jyates
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jyates
hehe.....you'll have to give me the verse on that paraphrase!
No verse, but checkout his discussions of Meat sacrificed to Idols.
That's found in 1 Corinthians Chapter 8 verses 4 through 13 and it deals
with the Christian's freedom to eat meat that has been offered to idols
(an issue in the early church)
but Paul says even though Christians know there is nothing wrong with the
meat since it was actually offered to an idol and not to the one and true God,
that he would not eat it in the presence of a "weak" brother or one that
has a problem with it (lack of spiritual maturity) because it would be an offense
to the weaker brother in Christ.
Not actually teaching to "mind thine own business" but rather to be concerned
about the "weaker" brethen in the body of Christ.
It teaches both actually.
I think the Catholic Church is taking the stand it needs to take.
To recieve communion your soul cannot be in a major state of peril (forgive me, I've forgotten how to phrase this properly). Summary: No mortal sin on your soul.
It teaches that abortion is wrong, that it is murder. Murder is a mortal sin, capable of sending a soul to hell. Advocating murder through political support is close enough to murder for it to be a mortal sin (leading others into sin maybe?). Therefore, no communion.
Active euthanasia is also murder. Denying someone food or other NON-EXTREME measures is murder in the eyes of the Catholic Church. Not spending $5000 a day for respirators and other devices is not necessarily murder though, it's a fine line. Read above if you need more of an explanation as to the logic that follows.
Homosexual actions are prohibited by the Church. I believe they use the same part of scripture that they use to condem masturbation here, as well as Lot's exodus from sodom. (Can't find the first passage I'm talking about here off hand. It equates to god killing a man for ejaculating on some chick's back instead of getting her pregnant.) A legal marriage would be condoning the actions of the homosexual lifestyle. It's a sin. A mortal sin. No communion.
Stem-cell research is a more worth-while debate here. I think the problem really becomes apparent when abortionists are PAYING potential mothers for the bodies of the dead fetuses/babies (pick whichever one you believe it is). Using the plecenta or umbilical cord for stem cell research shouldn't be a problem, since no one had to die (in the Church's eyes) to get the stem cells. Their view is probably something along the lines of: Stem cell research promotes abortion, which is murder, which is a mortal sin.
Over all I think the Catholic Church is taking the stance it has to take here. It doesn't have a choice. If you can't agree with the Catholic Church (to the point where you are actively disagreeing with it) you are not truly a Catholic. But there is one MAJOR thing I disagree with here, and it might have been covered in the actual letter and glossed over int he article in favor of more media savvy topics like abortion:
Stem cell research is quite possibly the best thing that we could be putting money into at the moment. It has more potential than just about everyother technology out there, but many ignore it. It's a damn shame. Hmmm $150,000,000,000USD used on stem cell research with the "throw away" parts of a birth could have gone a long way in advancing the search for cures to cancer, HIV/AIDS, MS, etc...
EDIT: Gen 38:8-10. Onan was killed for not impregnating his brother's wife.
To recieve communion your soul cannot be in a major state of peril (forgive me, I've forgotten how to phrase this properly). Summary: No mortal sin on your soul.
It teaches that abortion is wrong, that it is murder. Murder is a mortal sin, capable of sending a soul to hell. Advocating murder through political support is close enough to murder for it to be a mortal sin (leading others into sin maybe?). Therefore, no communion.
Active euthanasia is also murder. Denying someone food or other NON-EXTREME measures is murder in the eyes of the Catholic Church. Not spending $5000 a day for respirators and other devices is not necessarily murder though, it's a fine line. Read above if you need more of an explanation as to the logic that follows.
Homosexual actions are prohibited by the Church. I believe they use the same part of scripture that they use to condem masturbation here, as well as Lot's exodus from sodom. (Can't find the first passage I'm talking about here off hand. It equates to god killing a man for ejaculating on some chick's back instead of getting her pregnant.) A legal marriage would be condoning the actions of the homosexual lifestyle. It's a sin. A mortal sin. No communion.
Stem-cell research is a more worth-while debate here. I think the problem really becomes apparent when abortionists are PAYING potential mothers for the bodies of the dead fetuses/babies (pick whichever one you believe it is). Using the plecenta or umbilical cord for stem cell research shouldn't be a problem, since no one had to die (in the Church's eyes) to get the stem cells. Their view is probably something along the lines of: Stem cell research promotes abortion, which is murder, which is a mortal sin.
Over all I think the Catholic Church is taking the stance it has to take here. It doesn't have a choice. If you can't agree with the Catholic Church (to the point where you are actively disagreeing with it) you are not truly a Catholic. But there is one MAJOR thing I disagree with here, and it might have been covered in the actual letter and glossed over int he article in favor of more media savvy topics like abortion:
Stem cell research is quite possibly the best thing that we could be putting money into at the moment. It has more potential than just about everyother technology out there, but many ignore it. It's a damn shame. Hmmm $150,000,000,000USD used on stem cell research with the "throw away" parts of a birth could have gone a long way in advancing the search for cures to cancer, HIV/AIDS, MS, etc...
EDIT: Gen 38:8-10. Onan was killed for not impregnating his brother's wife.
Jesus came to fufill the prophesies. The rules changed, god got happy. Jesus is prozac for the soul.
Or something.
Not really. Doing what is right is doing what is right. I don't need a religion to tell me what I should believe, but I -MUST- vote my conscience.
I don't have the freedom to "judge" anyone
but do not and would not support any
candiate from any party that supports abortion
or any of the issues that God has plainly said in
his word that displease him.
Ultimate judgement is for God only but he's given
us enough sense to know what is right and wrong
and if we say we can't tell the difference we are
truly blind.
but do not and would not support any
candiate from any party that supports abortion
or any of the issues that God has plainly said in
his word that displease him.
Ultimate judgement is for God only but he's given
us enough sense to know what is right and wrong
and if we say we can't tell the difference we are
truly blind.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jyates
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jyates
hehe.....you'll have to give me the verse on that paraphrase!
No verse, but checkout his discussions of Meat sacrificed to Idols.
That's found in 1 Corinthians Chapter 8 verses 4 through 13 and it deals
with the Christian's freedom to eat meat that has been offered to idols
(an issue in the early church)
but Paul says even though Christians know there is nothing wrong with the
meat since it was actually offered to an idol and not to the one and true God,
that he would not eat it in the presence of a "weak" brother or one that
has a problem with it (lack of spiritual maturity) because it would be an offense
to the weaker brother in Christ.
Not actually teaching to "mind thine own business" but rather to be concerned
about the "weaker" brethen in the body of Christ.
It teaches both actually.
Expound on how it teaches "mind thine own business" please.
sandorski
No Lifer
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Originally posted by: jyates
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jyates
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jyates
hehe.....you'll have to give me the verse on that paraphrase!
No verse, but checkout his discussions of Meat sacrificed to Idols.
That's found in 1 Corinthians Chapter 8 verses 4 through 13 and it deals
with the Christian's freedom to eat meat that has been offered to idols
(an issue in the early church)
but Paul says even though Christians know there is nothing wrong with the
meat since it was actually offered to an idol and not to the one and true God,
that he would not eat it in the presence of a "weak" brother or one that
has a problem with it (lack of spiritual maturity) because it would be an offense
to the weaker brother in Christ.
Not actually teaching to "mind thine own business" but rather to be concerned
about the "weaker" brethen in the body of Christ.
It teaches both actually.
Expound on how it teaches "mind thine own business" please.
Each side of the equation(the 2 viewpoints) has a position: 1 has the position of "don't eat meat sacrificed to idols", the other, "there is nothing wrong with that meat". Certainly, the one with no problem with it shouldn't cause the other to "sin", but OTOH, the one with a problem with it shouldn't loook down on the other. In short, "Mind your own business", "Be true to yourself", "Follow your Conscience", take your pick.
"Each side of the equation(the 2 viewpoints) has a position: 1 has the position of "don't eat meat sacrificed to idols", the other, "there is nothing wrong with that meat". Certainly, the one with no problem with it shouldn't cause the other to "sin", but OTOH, the one with a problem with it shouldn't loook down on the other. In short, "Mind your own business", "Be true to yourself", "Follow your Conscience", take your pick. "
That scripture refers to not leading another "brother", who maybe weaker, into sin. It does NOT sat to "mind your own business".
"That scripture refers to not leading another "brother", who maybe weaker, into sin. It does NOT sat to "mind your own business".
the church needs to stop molesting its followers and a certain primate-like politician need to stop bringing church and state together just because he needs to distract ppl from some invasion he cant complete. the chuch and state should molest each other and live happily ever after
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