Go Team Obama!!!....Voter fraud?....theres no voter fraud here.

[Wheezer]

Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess.

Probably stopped on the way and bought them a bottle of Boones Farm and a carton of smokes to "show appreciation."

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CLEVELAND - Volunteers supporting Barack Obama picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, soup kitchens and drug-rehab centers and drove them to a polling place yesterday on the last day that Ohioans could register and vote on the same day, almost no questions asked.

The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency.

Republicans have argued that the window could lead to widespread voter fraud because officials wouldn't have an opportunity to verify registration information before ballots were cast.

Among the volunteers were Yori Stadlin and Vivian Lehrer of the Upper West Side, who got married last week and decided to spend their honeymoon shepherding voters to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.

Early today, Stadlin's van picked up William Woods, 59, at the soup kitchen of the Bishop Cosgrove Center.

"I never voted before," Woods said, because of a felony conviction that previously barred him from the polls. "Without this service, I would have had no way to get here."

 

[Genx87]

We complain about Diebold(hey havent heard any complaints about them this cycle, cant imagine why!) but we have no idea who is really voting in our elections do we?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87
We complain about Diebold(hey havent heard any complaints about them this cycle, cant imagine why!) but we have no idea who is really voting in our elections do we?

Are you suggesting that the destitute should be disenfranchised?

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
We complain about Diebold(hey havent heard any complaints about them this cycle, cant imagine why!) but we have no idea who is really voting in our elections do we?

Are you suggesting that the destitute should be disenfranchised?

your not disenfranchised if you lost the right to vote because you are a felon.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
We complain about Diebold(hey havent heard any complaints about them this cycle, cant imagine why!) but we have no idea who is really voting in our elections do we?

Are you suggesting that the destitute should be disenfranchised?

your not disenfranchised if you lost the right to vote because you are a felon.

So all those people are felons? Doesn't the registration board vett those who are registering before allowing them to vote? If not then the problem is with the registrar of voters not with those volunteers.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
We complain about Diebold(hey havent heard any complaints about them this cycle, cant imagine why!) but we have no idea who is really voting in our elections do we?

Are you suggesting that the destitute should be disenfranchised?

your not disenfranchised if you lost the right to vote because you are a felon.

Are you saying they're all felons?

This 'story' is a joke. They aren't doing anything illegal. If there's a problem with the system, fix it.

Edit: Apparently I should have said, 'What RD said'.

 

[chess9]

Convicted felons should be required to vote. It should be a condition of their parole or probation, IMHO.

A few states have restored voting rights to convicted felons, and that is a salutory trend. Some states let convicted felons vote. Imagine that....

The largest block of people who don't vote are young people-the group with the most to lose if a bum is elected. They are the ones ignoring their franchise and civil rights! If you are concerned about voting, start there.

What's worse than a convicted felon voting? Let's see:

1. Voting for someone who supported the illegal Contra Death Squads?
2. Voting for someone who has climbed into bed with the man who caused the biggest S & L crisis in US History?
3. Voting for someone who would eviscerate health care in the USA?
4. Voting for someone who has so little value for his principles that he's done a 180 on almost all of them just to get elected Prez?
5. Voting for somone whose judgement is so piss poor he selected a running mate who probably couldn't have found Buenos Aires on a map before September 2008.

-Robert

 

[chess9]

By the way, you haven't made the argument that the guy voted illegally. You've merely inferred it without sufficient evidence. But, in these desperate times for Republicans, this passes for critical thinking.

-Robert

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
your not disenfranchised if you lost the right to vote because you are a felon.

In a large portion of states this is ONLY until you have served your sentence.

In fact Ohio ALLOWS those who are felons but now on parole to vote.

This means its INDISPUTABLY LEGAL for him to vote! (The only exception might be if he actually broke out of jail and is now on the run, but someone I don't think he would be giving his full name in a newspaper article or taking the risk of registering to vote and attracting attention in the first place in that situation.)

In fact the only area I have a huge problem with on this topic is permanently baring those who previously committed felonies from voting as some states do. This means if a state manufactures a rather bogus felony they can use it as a tool to permanently disenfranchise part of their population that they want to target. (Who will have trouble changing the law in question in the future because they can't vote anymore.)

 

[heyheybooboo]

The great thing about America is that one vote each from a homeless guy and a drug addict cancel out the votes of Wheezer and GenX.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: chess9
Convicted felons should be required to vote. It should be a condition of their parole or probation, IMHO.

A few states have restored voting rights to convicted felons, and that is a salutory trend. Some states let convicted felons vote. Imagine that....

The largest block of people who don't vote are young people-the group with the most to lose if a bum is elected. They are the ones ignoring their franchise and civil rights! If you are concerned about voting, start there.

What's worse than a convicted felon voting? Let's see:

1. Voting for someone who supported the illegal Contra Death Squads?
2. Voting for someone who has climbed into bed with the man who caused the biggest S & L crisis in US History?
3. Voting for someone who would eviscerate health care in the USA?
4. Voting for someone who has so little value for his principles that he's done a 180 on almost all of them just to get elected Prez?
5. Voting for somone whose judgement is so piss poor he selected a running mate who probably couldn't have found Buenos Aires on a map before September 2008.

-Robert

Ummmm....what? I'm sorry, but I didn't realize that we only had 2 options, vote for a Republican or letting convicted felons vote. What an idiotic post. But just for fun, I'll play your game.

What's worse than a convicted felon voting? Let's see:

1. Voting for someone that uses a racist, American hating, hate spewing, radical preacher as his moral compass.
2. Voting for someone that has climbed into bed with Tony Rezko.
3. Voting for someone who would drown us in even more debt with promising world class healthcare to everyone.
4. Voting for someone who has so little value for his principles that he doesn't take a stand on ANYTHING, and votes "present".
5. Voting for someone whose judgment is so piss poor he pals around with a terrorist.

Is that change you can believe in?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
The great thing about America is that one vote each from a homeless guy and a drug addict cancel out the votes of Wheezer and GenX.

So whose vote are you canceling out, GenX or Wheezer?

Edit - Oh, let me guess, somewhere in this thread your going to go into counterstrike mode and post "FAIL".

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
The great thing about America is that one vote each from a homeless guy and a drug addict cancel out the votes of Wheezer and GenX.

So whose vote are you canceling out, GenX or Wheezer?

Edit - Oh, let me guess, somewhere in this thread your going to go into counterstrike mode and post "FAIL".

And a vote from one gay muslim felon will cancel out your vote, JD ...

:disgust:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
The great thing about America is that one vote each from a homeless guy and a drug addict cancel out the votes of Wheezer and GenX.

So whose vote are you canceling out, GenX or Wheezer?

Edit - Oh, let me guess, somewhere in this thread your going to go into counterstrike mode and post "FAIL".

Wait for it, the FAIL claim will come out, it never FAILS!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
We complain about Diebold(hey havent heard any complaints about them this cycle, cant imagine why!) but we have no idea who is really voting in our elections do we?

Are you suggesting that the destitute should be disenfranchised?

I am suggesting if we dont know who is voting to begin with the system has issues.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am suggesting if we dont know who is voting to begin with the system has issues.

We know who he is and that he's legally eligible to vote given everything we know.

We can add measures to prevent the possiblity of a homeless person doing something like voting twice, (people with homes could certainly try to pull that too) but you appear to be arguing there is something actually with this person voting period which is disturbing in of itself.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
We complain about Diebold(hey havent heard any complaints about them this cycle, cant imagine why!) but we have no idea who is really voting in our elections do we?

Are you suggesting that the destitute should be disenfranchised?

I am suggesting if we dont know who is voting to begin with the system has issues.

The system is rife with opportunity for voter fraud. While nothing is perfect, one of the best ways to defeat voter fraud is through the requirement of a valid, state issued license of some type. Could be drivers license, military ID card, but that will go a long way towards eliminating fraud in our voting system.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
We complain about Diebold(hey havent heard any complaints about them this cycle, cant imagine why!) but we have no idea who is really voting in our elections do we?

Are you suggesting that the destitute should be disenfranchised?

your not disenfranchised if you lost the right to vote because you are a felon.

So all those people are felons? Doesn't the registration board vett those who are registering before allowing them to vote? If not then the problem is with the registrar of voters not with those volunteers.

I never said that they all were.

But the chances are slim that he is the only one in this group or in the state who is being shuttled to the voting places and taking advantage of the system.


Like it or not this is happening and if "voter fraud" was really something people cared about Republican or Democrat then this should be unacceptable by anyones standards.

I totally agree, this is should be handled at the source...this kind of legislation is beyond ignorant.

There is a reason why we have verification before you are allowed to vote.

I would be calling out the Republicans for the same thing...when a story is published I will be sure to post it here as well.

I really don't give a fuck who wins this election......they are all crooks and robbers.

the integrity of the system is far more important.

Ohio lawmakers who put this in place should all be shot....this is complete bullshit.

Do I blame a broken system? hell yes.

Do I blame the people taking advantage of a broken system...hell yes.

Democrats bitch whine and complain about how many loop holes Palin took advantage of in her tax return and yet taking advantage of a loophole in the voting system is completely acceptable.

Nice double standard you got there.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am suggesting if we dont know who is voting to begin with the system has issues.

We know who he is and that he's legally eligible to vote given everything we know.

We can add measures to prevent the possiblity of a homeless person doing something like voting twice, (people with homes could certainly try to pull that too) but you appear to be arguing there is something actually with this person voting period which is disturbing in of itself.

That is your interpretation of what I am saying.

This is the part I am commenting on.

takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency.

If you cant prove residency or dont have to. What is stopping somebody or something from voting multiple times? Or hell even voting without being a real person? This goes beyond just this article. We have many issues like this across this nation where election laws are designed in a way so it is easily exploited.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I never said that they all were.

But the chances are slim that he is the only one in this group or in the state who is being shuttled to the voting places and taking advantage of the system.

HE'S NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM.

Its indisputably legal for him to vote, your whole argument in this thread is based on an utterly bogus premise.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Genx87
If you cant prove residency or dont have to. What is stopping somebody or something from voting multiple times? Or hell even voting without being a real person? This goes beyond just this article. We have many issues like this across this nation where election laws are designed in a way so it is easily exploited.

If you cared, there are registration ID requirements to prevent what you mentioned.

They also are keeping votes given in this way separate so they can double check later and make sure the same person didn't try voting again. There are certainly plenty of other ways someone could try to commit voter fraud such as requesting an absentee ballot and still later showing up at a polling station to vote for example.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Arrgh!!!..Grrrr!!!!...Arrgh!!!..Whine!!!!
Nice double standard you got there.

Double standard? Where did I say it was OK for a felon to vote? What I said was it's up to the Registrar of Voters to determine whether any of these people are allowed to vote or not, not those trying to get the destitute to vote.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Only people with homes should be able to vote. Homeless people should be rounded up in the middle of the night and be "disappeared".

 

[mrCide]

Wow, screams of desperation.

 

[RKDaley]

In some states, felons are allowed to vote.
In mine, people with one felony who have served their time, paid fines and complete probation automatically have their voting rights restored. If you have two or more, you can petition the judge to get them back.