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[AZGamer]

But the movie clearly shows Moore is an anti-Gun nut who has no real arguements, rather tries to bash everyone he can.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: AZGamer
But the movie clearly shows Moore is an anti-Gun nut who has no real arguements, rather tries to bash everyone he can.

what? did you watch the same movie?

i left the movie feeling no different about the ownership of guns.

 

[tcsenter]

Michael Moore is not anti-gun at all. He NEVER bashes gun use, and in fact is a member of the NRA. Not once does he bash owning guns.

And I was counting that you were a bit brighter than that....

Moore's constant attack of the NRA and his position on guns are diametrically opposed to everything the NRA is about. So I hardly see how Moore's being a member of the NRA would be any sort of defense, except being able to pull out his NRA membership card to deflect any accusation that he is antigun. Sorta like a racist pulling out an ACLU membership card as an answer to those who accuse him of being a racist. It doesn't wash. Or hey, how about this one, "I have black friends, so I'm not racist, but..."

Moore's demagoguery constitutes one giant "but". He has an NRA membership card for no other reason than to qualify his positions, because he certainly does not share any of the NRA's positions or principles.

But I agree that Moore isn't explicitly bashing guns in his mockumentary, nor did I say he was. Moore's mockumentary thesis is merely another variation on the same old tired and predictable Michael Moore theme, which when parsed to cut through the smoke and mirrors, goes something like this:

"America is an evil racist blood-lusting country founded by a bunch of corrupt racist blood-lusting whites. The disturbing violent crime rate in the US is the result of the pervasive fear and hatred driven by racism. But, its not our fault really, its those evil greedy corporations that are to blame! That is how they want us, fearing and hating, because people buy guns when they fear and hate. Its not too late, however, we can change all this. Unionize!

For more information about how to accomplish global peace and cure all of the world's ills, to which racist corporate white America is a primary contributor, contact the AFL/CIO or Teamsters at (888) xxx-xxxx and request more information about organizing a union."

[This message has been brought to you by the AFL/CIO and you local labor union.]

 

[tcsenter]

ok, well i would like to see any convincing argument that a tec-9 should stay legal.

1. Its obviously not used for hunting. Its a small 9mm automatic.

In the words of Newt Gingrich as he listened to Clinton promise hunters that a new assault weapons bill would not prevent them from hunting (paraphrased because I don't remember the words verbatim):

"Is that what he thinks the 2nd Amendment is about....hunting ducks? Does he think that a militia is a duck hunting party?"

So, I must ask the same of you. Do you believe the 2nd Amendment, as well as the more than 30 state constitutions which have a right to keep and bear arms provision, such as Michigan's Consitution of 1963, whose Article 1 Section 6 reads "Every person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of themselves and the state", is about protecting the rights of people to hunt ducks?

Even if you think that the govt is evil and we need guns to save ourselves when the real enemy attacks, this gun is a piece of crap. Get an mp5 if you want to kill someone. It will shoot straighter, and not fall apart.

Umm, genius. A used MP5 is several thousand dollars, heavily regulated, and only legal for private ownership if it was manufactured before 1986, which makes the available pool of pre-ban MP5's extremely limited and always in high demand.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

He may claim to support the NRA, but clearly he is pro-Gun Control, which is strictly against the NRA ideals.

That's like John Ashcroft joining the ACLU. It may happen, but in the end it's just publicity BS.

True, true. Canadian Bacon was on today. Damn funny . . . unfortunately timeless. I haven't seen the movie but a cohort did and was quite turned off by Moore's MO. My friend pretty much agreed with Moore's broader message but he objected to Moore's methodology. His opinion was that Moore took advantage of Heston.

I saw Moore on Dennis Miller Live or Oprah (yeah, I know) and he seemed almost genuinely regretful about the Heston interview.

 

[tcsenter]

Moore himself doesn't bother me nearly as much as how his brand of demagoguery and specious populism can command the attention of so many dullards and imbeciles who would follow Moore straight off a cliff because he entertains them. Except, they think its because he "makes a good point" (i.e. because he is 'right').

As Michael Douglas' character in "The American President" retorted to the character played by Michael Fox: "People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference."

Moore exemplifies the same sort of demagogue played by Richard Dreyfuss in Senator Rumson (for those who remember the movie).

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Moore exemplifies the same sort of demagogue played by Richard Dreyfuss in Senator Rumson (for those who remember the movie).

Or Gary Oldman as Runyon in The Contender. Then again I do believe Bush toured the nation as demagogue in chief decrying the depravity of anyone who didn't toe the GOP line (and belong to the Party).

Moore is entertaining until he takes himself too seriously. I used to love Limbaugh . . . then I realized he REALLY thought he was right.