Go Cali! Way to give money to Stem Cell Research!

[MrDingleDangle]

This was a great victory for science in California. Hopefully a lot of good will come from this and it is only the start of stem cell research in the US

 

[cHeeZeFacTory]

glad i live in Cali

 

[illustri]

same here

 

[Geekbabe]

Thank you California,this is great news!

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Thank you California,this is great news!

 

[TheNinja]

boooo. I voted no on that bill. Why should I, Joe Taxpayer, have to pay for some company's R&D costs just so they can charge me an arm and a leg later? Ya California for being retards and upping my taxes.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: TheNinja
boooo. I voted no on that bill. Why should I, Joe Taxpayer, have to pay for some company's R&D costs just so they can charge me an arm and a leg later? Ya California for being retards and upping my taxes.

Realize that the bulk of basic research in science is performed by academic and public institutes which you ALREADY pay for with your taxes. Private companies only commit their efforts once significant work has been achieved on a discovery by those mentioned. People who argue this is a subsidy to biotech and pharms aren't complete informed.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: TheNinja
boooo. I voted no on that bill. Why should I, Joe Taxpayer, have to pay for some company's R&D costs just so they can charge me an arm and a leg later? Ya California for being retards and upping my taxes.

Realize that the bulk of basic research in science is performed by academic and public institutes which you ALREADY pay for with your taxes. Private companies only commit their efforts once significant work has been achieved on a discovery by those mentioned. People who argue this is a subsidy to biotech and pharms aren't complete informed.

Which is exactly why we shouldn't give them even MORE money.. Education gets a HUGE portion of our tax dollars.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: TheNinja
boooo. I voted no on that bill. Why should I, Joe Taxpayer, have to pay for some company's R&D costs just so they can charge me an arm and a leg later? Ya California for being retards and upping my taxes.

Realize that the bulk of basic research in science is performed by academic and public institutes which you ALREADY pay for with your taxes. Private companies only commit their efforts once significant work has been achieved on a discovery by those mentioned. People who argue this is a subsidy to biotech and pharms aren't complete informed.

Which is exactly why we shouldn't give them even MORE money.. Education gets a HUGE portion of our tax dollars.

Don't worry you won't have too living in the Frozne Tundra of Wisconsin. It's the Californians who have taken this responsibility upon themselves.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

LOL. 6 BILLION over 10 years. Yes, and we're already like 50 BILLION in debt. If Bill Gates and Brad Pitt want stem cell research, let them pay for it...nobody's stopping them.

In any case, all I care about is that they don't harvest the stem cells from fertilized eggs. That wasn't specified in the proposition, only that they couldn't research cloning.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Which is exactly why we shouldn't give them even MORE money.. Education gets a HUGE portion of our tax dollars.

I disagree, higher education get disproportionately less money than it produces.

 

[Infohawk]

California should not share any of its scientific results with red states. No freeloaders.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
LOL. 6 BILLION over 10 years. Yes, and we're already like 50 BILLION in debt. If Bill Gates and Brad Pitt want stem cell research, let them pay for it...nobody's stopping them.

In any case, all I care about is that they don't harvest the stem cells from fertilized eggs. That wasn't specified in the proposition, only that they couldn't research cloning.

It's actually 6 billion over 30 years. And judging by the vote a little more than just Bill Gates and Brad Pitt want stem cell research.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
California should not share any of its scientific results with red states. No freeloaders.

Other than LA and SF, California IS a red state.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
LOL. 6 BILLION over 10 years. Yes, and we're already like 50 BILLION in debt. If Bill Gates and Brad Pitt want stem cell research, let them pay for it...nobody's stopping them.

In any case, all I care about is that they don't harvest the stem cells from fertilized eggs. That wasn't specified in the proposition, only that they couldn't research cloning.

There are such things in this world as public utilities where benefits reaped by all should be supported likewise. I agree it should not have come to california alone bearing the cost but with federal money tied by irrevelant religious concerns there was no choice.

 

[The Stigenator]

way to go.. im glad this passed.. we nereded that.. when ready charge the other states up their ass.

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Infohawk
California should not share any of its scientific results with red states. No freeloaders.

Other than LA and SF, California IS a red state.

Other than any metropolitan center, the US IS a red country.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Infohawk
California should not share any of its scientific results with red states. No freeloaders.

Other than LA and SF, California IS a red state.

That's the majority of the people. Land doesn't get to vote.

 

[illustri]

Now that the measure has passed its up to us Californians (Californianans? Californides? fornicans?) to keep diligent through the work ahead. Just because the proponents won doesn't eliminate some of the concerns of the opposing side. One significant issue: oversight is still inadequate IMO.

 

[cHeeZeFacTory]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Infohawk
California should not share any of its scientific results with red states. No freeloaders.

Other than LA and SF, California IS a red state.

That's the majority of the people. Land doesn't get to vote.

It looks like if you grow potatoes for a living, you're in a red state.

There really needs to be more metropolitan cities...

 

[Chris A]

It is pretty sad that here in California we cant get a Bond measure through that would fix leaky roofs in our schools but yet we can vote through a bond measure that gives billions to some drug company for research...

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Chris A
It is pretty sad that here in California we cant get a Bond measure through that would fix leaky roofs in our schools but yet we can vote through a bond measure that gives billions to some drug company for research...

Originally posted by: illustri

Realize that the bulk of basic research in science is performed by academic and public institutes which you ALREADY pay for with your taxes. Private companies only commit their efforts once significant work has been achieved on a discovery by those mentioned. People who argue this is a subsidy to biotech and pharms aren't complete informed.

So in a way the bond money IS going to school (obviously not those you're thinking of). Listen, the length of time over which the measure is paid out, 11 years? That less than the average amount of time the science moves out of the academic research setting and goes into industry. I'll be willing to bet that few if any major drug companies even pick up and commit their time and money before that.

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[b0mbrman]

Yup. It had my vote

 

[SuperTool]

I voted against it, because it's too expensive. I think private companies can afford to pay for it.
There is a chance it'll make CA the biotech hub of the world, but it's a big risk. I think I voted against all bond issues this election. I think there will be other states who'll follow suit to try to attract biotech companies with stem cell funding, so there could be a windfall of money for stem cell research. I am glad the mental health system proposition passed with tax 1% tax hike for $1M+ earners instead of bond issue.

 

[glenn1]

way to go.. im glad this passed.. we needed that.. when ready charge the other states up their ass.

Good, you get a passing grade in Capitalism 101, you're taking the risk and if it turns up with something worthwhile it we'll gladly pay for it. If CA wants to support this with their tax dollars, go for it. Maybe if it works out you can give NJ a go for their money (that's where basically all the major American pharma companies are incorporated).