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[igor_kavinski]

THATS THE BIG QUESTION IMO.....

If that happens, does AMD have a contingency plan? Some secret architecture they are holding back on, to unleash only when things get too hairy? That's my big question

 

[Markfw]

If that happens, does AMD have a contingency plan? Some secret architecture they are holding back on, to unleash only when things get too hairy? That's my big question

With all the hype on Zen 5 ? Not worried about that. We need Intel to come back before AMD gets complacent.

 

[jpiniero]

Here's the story from PC magazine - which includes the confirmation from Lisa Su that AM4 will continue until 2028:

Makes me think that this might not be the last AM4 SKU. Although that doesn't necessairly mean it would be Zen 3D.

 

[aigomorla]

Makes me think that this might not be the last AM4 SKU. Although that doesn't necessairly mean it would be Zen 3D.

I think this is the last cpu...
It makes no sense to continue coming out with more products on a almost EOL socket.
They moved the pins off the cpu and put them on the boards.
It would make no sense to keep making products with pins on the cpu, unless the current socket is bad.

I think there will be a revision of the AM5, like a AM5.5 or something where they balance out the power draw so EXPO doesn't melt your cpu.

But AMD is still learning how to balance out pin arrangement.
Remember it took intel almost 3 generations to get this down as to not melt the CPU socket from too much current draw.

 

[jpiniero]

I think this is the last cpu...
It makes no sense to continue coming out with more products on a almost EOL socket.

It's not EOL until 2028...

 

[aigomorla]

It's not EOL until 2028...

If they still make a AM4 cpu in 2 yrs, you can call me on it...
But it makes little to no financial sense to keep 2 different platforms like that.
At the very least, i don't think board makers will still make AM4 boards to fill for another 5 yrs.

 

[jpiniero]

If they still make a AM4 cpu in 2 yrs, you can call me on it...

AMD screwed up by not supporting DDR4 on AM5, at least to start.

 

[aigomorla]

AMD screwed up by not supporting DDR4 on AM5, at least to start.

I completely agree with you on that... lol....
I think its another standard case of trying to put too much improvement out in 1 gen, instead of trying to slowly adapt it.

 

[Thibsie]

You'd imagine so. There must be a mechanism that causes the failure of a couple cores while they're assembling it. Maybe parametric with a hot spot issue meaning a core can't reach frequency without overheating?

Probably failed 7900X3D IMO

 

[Thunder 57]

If they still make a AM4 cpu in 2 yrs, you can call me on it...
But it makes little to no financial sense to keep 2 different platforms like that.
At the very least, i don't think board makers will still make AM4 boards to fill for another 5 yrs.

I don't think she means new models. Just that at least a few SKU's will still be made.

Probably failed 7900X3D IMO

The 7900X3D never made sense. I don't see the point of vcache on 6 cores.

 

[MrTeal]

Probably failed 7900X3D IMO

Not sure the failure mechanism that would turn a 7900X3D into a Zen3 chip.

 

[jpiniero]

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BTW, 5800X3D is 28% faster in games than the 5800X. That at 720p with a 4090 though... The 5600X3D is probally not that much worse than the 5800X3D.

 

[Thibsie]

Not sure the failure mechanism that would turn a 7900X3D into a Zen3 chip.

Huh, got me 😁

 

[AnitaPeterson]

If they still make a AM4 cpu in 2 yrs, you can call me on it...
But it makes little to no financial sense to keep 2 different platforms like that.
At the very least, i don't think board makers will still make AM4 boards to fill for another 5 yrs.

Remember: AMD kept the FM1 and FM2 socket CPUs in parallel with -- and as a cost-conscious alternative to -- AM3.

And at this point, considering the difference in DDR/architecture, they could very well keep AM4 as a budget option, while offering AM5 to gamers and people who absolutely need the latest and greatest, regardless of costs (and power consumption), for the sake of bragging rights.

 

[LightningZ71]

On AMD keeping AM4 around until 2028... I still think it makes sense to release a refresh of the 5000 series on N6. N7 to N6 migration is supposed to be a "low" effort and "low" cost affair and TSMC is supposedly actively pushing their clients to use it. Moving the Zen3 CCDs to N6 would allow for higher all-core boosts as it is a friendlier process for power draw and resulting heat dissipation and would likely make a notable improvement for the 5900X and 5950X parts. No need to change anything else about them.

 

[Shivansps]

If they still make a AM4 cpu in 2 yrs, you can call me on it...
But it makes little to no financial sense to keep 2 different platforms like that.
At the very least, i don't think board makers will still make AM4 boards to fill for another 5 yrs.

AMD released the A6-7480 and A8-7680 for FM2+ in 2018. The 2400G and 2200G were already in the streets for almost a year when that happened. So it is totally possible if they are sitting on top of unsold silicon.

The problem they are going to have here is the DDR4.

 

[aigomorla]

The problem they are going to have here is the DDR4.

Yeah... but also note, that board makers were not really cut dry in cost saving back then.
Quality was better on boards as well.

Now quality is all over the place, and i don't think a vendor wants to waste resources making a 150 dollar board when they can make a 400 dollar one with almost the same cost.

 

[Shivansps]

Yeah... but also note, that board makers were not really cut dry in cost saving back then.
Quality was better on boards as well.

Now quality is all over the place, and i don't think a vendor wants to waste resources making a 150 dollar board when they can make a 400 dollar one with almost the same cost.

In fact the problem with the 7480 and 7680 were that all boards were EOL except for 3 that were still in production and those were the boards that got the bios update for those cpus.

AM4 is still petty much alive, A520 and B550 still are, A320 just got killed 3 months ago not sure about B450, i think AM4 still has about 2 more years. AMD depends on it for the low end. With that in mind i would not be suprised if they launch another Ryzen 3/Athlon on it, maybe a refresh of the APU line.

 

[Thunder 57]

In fact the problem with the 7480 and 7680 were that all boards were EOL except for 3 that were still in production and those were the boards that got the bios update for those cpus.

AM4 is still petty much alive, A520 and B550 still are, A320 just got killed 3 months ago not sure about B450, i think AM4 still has about 2 more years. AMD depends on it for the low end. With that in mind i would not be suprised if they launch another Ryzen 3/Athlon on it, maybe a refresh of the APU line.

I just found a BIOS update for my B450 that is little more than a month old.

 

[Shivansps]

I just found a BIOS update for my B450 that is little more than a month old.

Yes all motherboards are still supported so far as i know, i was talking about production, the A320 production ended recently, not sure what is the current status of B450, as far as i know, AMD want to keep only the A520 in production.

 

[Mopetar]

So there would the be some defective CCDs included.

But low end SKU generally include working parts gimped to match demand for various product segments. AMD isn't planning to do that for the 5600X3D for some reason.

The yields for TSMC 7nm were already amazing when Zen 3 first launched. I don't recall the exact figures, but something like 97% or better yield. If the node has continued to mature, it wouldn't be too surprising for the yield to be even better by now.

Of the defective dies, some can no doubt be salvaged by turning off a core, but others will be junk due to a defect in something that doesn't have redundancy.

Most of the time you get a six core chiplet it's because it can't hit specific clock speeds on all of the cores at the desired voltages. With v-cache the clock speeds aren't going to be as high anyways and so the number of dies that couldn't make the cut would be a lot lower.

If AMD were using only dies that had an actually defective core, it's not surprising that it took them a while to stockpile enough to do even a special launch like this.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Aaaand... the review is out:

 

[Hans Gruber]

The yields for TSMC 7nm were already amazing when Zen 3 first launched. I don't recall the exact figures, but something like 97% or better yield. If the node has continued to mature, it wouldn't be too surprising for the yield to be even better by now.

Of the defective dies, some can no doubt be salvaged by turning off a core, but others will be junk due to a defect in something that doesn't have redundancy.

Most of the time you get a six core chiplet it's because it can't hit specific clock speeds on all of the cores at the desired voltages. With v-cache the clock speeds aren't going to be as high anyways and so the number of dies that couldn't make the cut would be a lot lower.

If AMD were using only dies that had an actually defective core, it's not surprising that it took them a while to stockpile enough to do even a special launch like this.

They are all defective 2x CCD silicon. They have one defective CCD and one that passes the binning process. The 5600x3d only needs one functional CCD. So they are from premium failed 8 core CPU's or higher. I think the baseline of failed CCD's would be the 5800x.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Aaaand... the review is out:

No surprises at all. A VERY good gaming CPU. Often very close to 5800X3D.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Wow. LOVE 5600X3D!!!

MS Flight Simulator performance is awesome!

Beats the 7600X in some games and almost keeps up with it in others.

It's like a farewell gift to AM4 owners, thanking them for their loyalty.

Imagine someone on the original Zen, being able to upgrade to this CPU and get the baseline AM5 gaming performance for a fraction of the price. Simply beautiful!

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