GM's Sales Slide 45%; Chrysler's Fall 42%

waggy

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wall street journal

General Motors Co. said its September sales plunged 45% from a year earlier and Chrysler's fell 42%, while Ford Motor Co. saw a much more modest drop of 5.1%. All three were hurt by the industry's weakness after the expiration of the U.S. government's "cash-for-clunkers" rebate program.

Toyota Motor Corp., meantime, said its September sales declined 16.1% from a year earlier, while Nissan Motor Co. saw its results fall 7% and Honda Motor Co. said its U.S. sales slid 23.3%.

GM, the largest U.S. auto maker, said it sold 156,673 cars and light trucks in September. It said that figure represents a 36% decline from the prior month.


Industrywide, car sales surged in late July and most of August while the clunkers program was in effect, giving certain new-car buyers up to $4,500 in rebates if they traded in a gas-guzzler.

Analysts believe the rush to buy a car under the program siphoned sales from September and possibly later in the year, leading to projections of sharp year-over-year declines for the industry


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ouch. but err yeah no surprise. should be interesting to see how the next 4-5 months are that will be the real story.

not really a suprise that sales fell so damn sharp. just hope they pick up but nobody expects them to. I figured those that purchased were going to purchase soon anyway but the C4C just uped the time table.
 

PricklyPete

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I think's Ford's numbers are pretty impressive post clunkers. I was expecting a fairly big drop off for everyone as I certainly think the clunkers deal had to have pulled some purchases from neighboring months (both before and after).
 

spidey07

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Good for Ford. That's actually way up industry averages right now only being down 5%. But yeah, everybody saw this coming. I bet Hyndai and Kia are still positive in sales.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: newnameman
I'm glas to see that Ford picked up a couple of points of market share.

same. i have owned a lot of fords and Honda's. Granted most of the fords i have owned were F150's. But i have had a few mustangs and a taurus. All of them have been great cars.

i also have had a few honda accords and a prelude. My favorite car ever was my 88 honda accord. i loved the style, handeling etc. it was a great car.

oddly the worst car i have ever owned was a 92 honda accord. i had more problems with it then i should have.
 

Slew Foot

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Duh

Just like housing, youre just stealing sales away from the future when you add in govt stimulus. When its taken away, sales will plunge for a loooong time.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Duh

Just like housing, youre just stealing sales away from the future when you add in govt stimulus. When its taken away, sales will plunge for a loooong time.

It's almost as bad as doctor's salaries being cut in half since the 80's, huh slew foot? :D
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Duh

Just like housing, youre just stealing sales away from the future when you add in govt stimulus. When its taken away, sales will plunge for a loooong time.

i said that in a thread about C4C and was shouted down. seems soem thought i was wrong..

i hope i am. bu ti supsect the numbers are going to prove me right.
 

kalrith

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Another :thumbsup: for Ford. I wonder how the auto sales over this entire year would be different with and without the cash-for-clunkers deal. I'm thinking that overall (as with a lof of things recently) a lot of taxpayers' dollars were spent for few gains.
 

ElFenix

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as i posted in the repost thread, some of the slowdown has to be due to the lack of vehicles on dealer lots. your chances of finding blue, leather, and sunroof are much lower when there are only 5 on the lot than when there are 55.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
as i posted in the repost thread, some of the slowdown has to be due to the lack of vehicles on dealer lots. your chances of finding blue, leather, and sunroof are much lower when there are only 5 on the lot than when there are 55.

I am sure that also has to do with part of it. but if you really want blue with leather and a sunroof and buying new teh dealership can order that with a downpayment or find one from another dealership.
 

OCGuy

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I have an idea. Why dont we let businesses try and survive on their own without running to the taxpayer?


If they arent selling cars, they either need to lower prices, or build cars people want to buy. Creating a false demand with taxpayer money only leads to more of the same thing, as your idea to "do it again" shows.

Where do we stop?
 

BassBomb

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You can really tell Ford is doing well simply by their lineup!

I am a Honda guy but Fords would easily take my consideration next time... OK I lied, but they do look nice.

So if we are down another 45% on GM, how much are sales down from 2007->2009? Because I recall 2007->2008 was a big drop too
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: ElFenix
as i posted in the repost thread, some of the slowdown has to be due to the lack of vehicles on dealer lots. your chances of finding blue, leather, and sunroof are much lower when there are only 5 on the lot than when there are 55.

I am sure that also has to do with part of it. but if you really want blue with leather and a sunroof and buying new teh dealership can order that with a downpayment or find one from another dealership.

People buy on the spur of the moment, they don't go to the lot and order one. Car inventories are at 30 year lows, with less than a 25 day supply. My company's production is ramping up quickly because the car companies have run their inventories into the ground and are trying to make it up.

I'm not saying that's the reason, but it does not help. There were 8 cars on the Ford lot in Auburn, Indiana last week. 8 new cars.
 

woodie1

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Originally posted by: OCguy
I have an idea. Why dont we let businesses try and survive on their own without running to the taxpayer?


If they arent selling cars, they either need to lower prices, or build cars people want to buy. Creating a false demand with taxpayer money only leads to more of the same thing, as your idea to "do it again" shows.

Where do we stop?

Did you forget, Government Motors has thousands of UAW workers that they need to keep employed until the 2010 elections. If it takes taxpayer money to keep them building unwanted cars, so be it. We really don't know what's best for us - remember.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: ElFenix
as i posted in the repost thread, some of the slowdown has to be due to the lack of vehicles on dealer lots. your chances of finding blue, leather, and sunroof are much lower when there are only 5 on the lot than when there are 55.

I am sure that also has to do with part of it. but if you really want blue with leather and a sunroof and buying new teh dealership can order that with a downpayment or find one from another dealership.

People buy on the spur of the moment, they don't go to the lot and order one. Car inventories are at 30 year lows, with less than a 25 day supply. My company's production is ramping up quickly because the car companies have run their inventories into the ground and are trying to make it up.

I'm not saying that's the reason, but it does not help. There were 8 cars on the Ford lot in Auburn, Indiana last week. 8 new cars.

8? are they going out of business?

many are going starting to order them (well before the economy went to shits). Many manufacters were even trying to get it so you can order online the car you want and how you want it.

but yeah it was still a small amount compared to the number that buy cars.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: ElFenix
as i posted in the repost thread, some of the slowdown has to be due to the lack of vehicles on dealer lots. your chances of finding blue, leather, and sunroof are much lower when there are only 5 on the lot than when there are 55.

I am sure that also has to do with part of it. but if you really want blue with leather and a sunroof and buying new teh dealership can order that with a downpayment or find one from another dealership.

People buy on the spur of the moment, they don't go to the lot and order one. Car inventories are at 30 year lows, with less than a 25 day supply. My company's production is ramping up quickly because the car companies have run their inventories into the ground and are trying to make it up.

I'm not saying that's the reason, but it does not help. There were 8 cars on the Ford lot in Auburn, Indiana last week. 8 new cars.

8? are they going out of business?

many are going starting to order them (well before the economy went to shits). Many manufacters were even trying to get it so you can order online the car you want and how you want it.

but yeah it was still a small amount compared to the number that buy cars.

I ask someone in town if they were going out of business and was told no. Was told that they had reduced their inventories down sharply during the spring and that they had sold all the rest recently and that they could not get cars fast enough. My dad told me that the local dealership (Ford) had 15 cars on the lot. About 3/4 of the lot was empty.

Ford started inventory reduction before the others did so that would be probably why.
 

sandorski

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Trying to blame this on C4C is really bad analysis. I suggest sticking to your day job.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Trying to blame this on C4C is really bad analysis. I suggest sticking to your day job.

The auto manufacturers directly stated C4C is the reason, what are you talking about? They new this would happen.
 

Brigandier

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Saturn got shut down. Saturn, one of GM's best brands, got shut down. GM is sinking too fast for bucketfuls of water to be any help. Who here thinks it will actually become Government Motors?
 

PricklyPete

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski
Trying to blame this on C4C is really bad analysis. I suggest sticking to your day job.

The auto manufacturers directly stated C4C is the reason, what are you talking about? They new this would happen.

Your on a roll today :)
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski
Trying to blame this on C4C is really bad analysis. I suggest sticking to your day job.

The auto manufacturers directly stated C4C is the reason, what are you talking about? They new this would happen.

Your on a roll today :)

So are you.

;)
 

PricklyPete

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski
Trying to blame this on C4C is really bad analysis. I suggest sticking to your day job.

The auto manufacturers directly stated C4C is the reason, what are you talking about? They new this would happen.

Your on a roll today :)

So are you.

;)

LOL...nice.