GM just released changes to the 2005 Pontiac GTO

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR
i like it. i dont love it or anything but i think its a nice car.

the monaro beat a Ferrari and a couple of porsche in the bathurst 24 hours... of course the Ferrari had mechanical trouble and a few porsche broke down but still...

The Monaro HSV beats out the competition (Ferrari, Porsche, etc..) in the Australian V8 Supercar series all the time.

if GM wasn't so involved with the CTS-v (if you can call it that) in Speed GT series, they would have put in the Monaro/GTO. But instead they managed to create a tube-frame CTS to blow the competition in Speed GT.

the first race of the CTS-V looked pretty horrible for everyone else... hahahaha... they blew everyone out of the water... lol.

that's cause it wasn't really a CTS-v. It was a tube-framed race car with a CTS-v body and drivetrain. They changed the suspension geometry and pick up points..and since it was tube-framed they reduced the weight dramatically.

Well thats the thing I dont even know why they allowed it in only to have it be restricted later on... guess they underestimated it.

do you know how they did in the second round at Lime Rock? I missed the race since I had work.

Well they evened out the field so it didnt dominate like it did... it was still fast enough since it was on a charge right before it ended under yellow... 3rd and 5th for the caddys... 1-2 for the RS6. seeing how those audis launch from the line makes me feel sorry for their trannys. :Q

I honestly didn't see the RS6 winning. Those guys are pigs, you can really see their weight in the corners. They can't carry speed in the bends..and they just understeer. Altho I don't know if they changed the setup in the second round.

how did they even out the field? Did they add ballast to the CTS-v?

 

[Cashmoney995]

Did they spend the extra 15 cents so the car won't fall apart? Probably not...nextttttt.

When my dad worked for GM, they couldnt even get a car that had a half pound balance on the engine. And then, they couldnt even get a higher yield than 85% for cars that worked right off the line. They had a quarter mile lot where they would just line up cars and have fix em up tents at the end. Hiiiiiiyyylarious when I saw it.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR
i like it. i dont love it or anything but i think its a nice car.

the monaro beat a Ferrari and a couple of porsche in the bathurst 24 hours... of course the Ferrari had mechanical trouble and a few porsche broke down but still...

The Monaro HSV beats out the competition (Ferrari, Porsche, etc..) in the Australian V8 Supercar series all the time.

if GM wasn't so involved with the CTS-v (if you can call it that) in Speed GT series, they would have put in the Monaro/GTO. But instead they managed to create a tube-frame CTS to blow the competition in Speed GT.

the first race of the CTS-V looked pretty horrible for everyone else... hahahaha... they blew everyone out of the water... lol.

that's cause it wasn't really a CTS-v. It was a tube-framed race car with a CTS-v body and drivetrain. They changed the suspension geometry and pick up points..and since it was tube-framed they reduced the weight dramatically.

Well thats the thing I dont even know why they allowed it in only to have it be restricted later on... guess they underestimated it.

do you know how they did in the second round at Lime Rock? I missed the race since I had work.

Well they evened out the field so it didnt dominate like it did... it was still fast enough since it was on a charge right before it ended under yellow... 3rd and 5th for the caddys... 1-2 for the RS6. seeing how those audis launch from the line makes me feel sorry for their trannys. :Q

I honestly didn't see the RS6 winning. Those guys are pigs, you can really see their weight in the corners. They can't carry speed in the bends..and they just understeer. Altho I don't know if they changed the setup in the second round.

how did they even out the field? Did they add ballast to the CTS-v?

They basically neutered it...

Added 200lbs more... :Q ...different air restrictor which cut off something increased restriction to 50% instead of 20%... they lowered to 7000 instead of 7900-8000... and a couple more... something with limiting weight distribution, different gearbox, and they cant touch the intake system to improve it for the whole season. That's a lot of changes...

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR
i like it. i dont love it or anything but i think its a nice car.

the monaro beat a Ferrari and a couple of porsche in the bathurst 24 hours... of course the Ferrari had mechanical trouble and a few porsche broke down but still...

The Monaro HSV beats out the competition (Ferrari, Porsche, etc..) in the Australian V8 Supercar series all the time.

if GM wasn't so involved with the CTS-v (if you can call it that) in Speed GT series, they would have put in the Monaro/GTO. But instead they managed to create a tube-frame CTS to blow the competition in Speed GT.

the first race of the CTS-V looked pretty horrible for everyone else... hahahaha... they blew everyone out of the water... lol.

that's cause it wasn't really a CTS-v. It was a tube-framed race car with a CTS-v body and drivetrain. They changed the suspension geometry and pick up points..and since it was tube-framed they reduced the weight dramatically.

Well thats the thing I dont even know why they allowed it in only to have it be restricted later on... guess they underestimated it.

do you know how they did in the second round at Lime Rock? I missed the race since I had work.

Well they evened out the field so it didnt dominate like it did... it was still fast enough since it was on a charge right before it ended under yellow... 3rd and 5th for the caddys... 1-2 for the RS6. seeing how those audis launch from the line makes me feel sorry for their trannys. :Q

I honestly didn't see the RS6 winning. Those guys are pigs, you can really see their weight in the corners. They can't carry speed in the bends..and they just understeer. Altho I don't know if they changed the setup in the second round.

how did they even out the field? Did they add ballast to the CTS-v?

They basically neutered it...

Added 200lbs more... :Q ...different air restrictor which cut off something increased restriction to 50% instead of 20%... they lowered to 7000 instead of 7900-8000... and a couple more... something with limiting weight distribution, different gearbox, and they cant touch the intake system to improve it for the whole season. That's a lot of changes...

well they deserved it. they bended the rules and SCCA bended over to them since Caddy is bringing in the dough for SCCA.

They simply outclassed the rest of the field. This isn't F1!!!

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR
i like it. i dont love it or anything but i think its a nice car.

the monaro beat a Ferrari and a couple of porsche in the bathurst 24 hours... of course the Ferrari had mechanical trouble and a few porsche broke down but still...

The Monaro HSV beats out the competition (Ferrari, Porsche, etc..) in the Australian V8 Supercar series all the time.

if GM wasn't so involved with the CTS-v (if you can call it that) in Speed GT series, they would have put in the Monaro/GTO. But instead they managed to create a tube-frame CTS to blow the competition in Speed GT.

the first race of the CTS-V looked pretty horrible for everyone else... hahahaha... they blew everyone out of the water... lol.

that's cause it wasn't really a CTS-v. It was a tube-framed race car with a CTS-v body and drivetrain. They changed the suspension geometry and pick up points..and since it was tube-framed they reduced the weight dramatically.

Well thats the thing I dont even know why they allowed it in only to have it be restricted later on... guess they underestimated it.

do you know how they did in the second round at Lime Rock? I missed the race since I had work.

Well they evened out the field so it didnt dominate like it did... it was still fast enough since it was on a charge right before it ended under yellow... 3rd and 5th for the caddys... 1-2 for the RS6. seeing how those audis launch from the line makes me feel sorry for their trannys. :Q

I honestly didn't see the RS6 winning. Those guys are pigs, you can really see their weight in the corners. They can't carry speed in the bends..and they just understeer. Altho I don't know if they changed the setup in the second round.

how did they even out the field? Did they add ballast to the CTS-v?

They basically neutered it...

Added 200lbs more... :Q ...different air restrictor which cut off something increased restriction to 50% instead of 20%... they lowered to 7000 instead of 7900-8000... and a couple more... something with limiting weight distribution, different gearbox, and they cant touch the intake system to improve it for the whole season. That's a lot of changes...

well they deserved it. they bended the rules and SCCA bended over to them since Caddy is bringing in the dough for SCCA.

They simply outclassed the rest of the field. This isn't F1!!!

Hahah... well they look awfully stupid now. Anyone who saw that car blitz the field at sebring new damn well that car was no way related to the production car. i mean Caddy sucked balls at lemans... and they failed miserably there... all of a sudden they bring this thing out just runs circles around everyone... heh.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR
i like it. i dont love it or anything but i think its a nice car.

the monaro beat a Ferrari and a couple of porsche in the bathurst 24 hours... of course the Ferrari had mechanical trouble and a few porsche broke down but still...

The Monaro HSV beats out the competition (Ferrari, Porsche, etc..) in the Australian V8 Supercar series all the time.

if GM wasn't so involved with the CTS-v (if you can call it that) in Speed GT series, they would have put in the Monaro/GTO. But instead they managed to create a tube-frame CTS to blow the competition in Speed GT.

the first race of the CTS-V looked pretty horrible for everyone else... hahahaha... they blew everyone out of the water... lol.

that's cause it wasn't really a CTS-v. It was a tube-framed race car with a CTS-v body and drivetrain. They changed the suspension geometry and pick up points..and since it was tube-framed they reduced the weight dramatically.

Well thats the thing I dont even know why they allowed it in only to have it be restricted later on... guess they underestimated it.

do you know how they did in the second round at Lime Rock? I missed the race since I had work.

Well they evened out the field so it didnt dominate like it did... it was still fast enough since it was on a charge right before it ended under yellow... 3rd and 5th for the caddys... 1-2 for the RS6. seeing how those audis launch from the line makes me feel sorry for their trannys. :Q

I honestly didn't see the RS6 winning. Those guys are pigs, you can really see their weight in the corners. They can't carry speed in the bends..and they just understeer. Altho I don't know if they changed the setup in the second round.

how did they even out the field? Did they add ballast to the CTS-v?

They basically neutered it...

Added 200lbs more... :Q ...different air restrictor which cut off something increased restriction to 50% instead of 20%... they lowered to 7000 instead of 7900-8000... and a couple more... something with limiting weight distribution, different gearbox, and they cant touch the intake system to improve it for the whole season. That's a lot of changes...

well they deserved it. they bended the rules and SCCA bended over to them since Caddy is bringing in the dough for SCCA.

They simply outclassed the rest of the field. This isn't F1!!!

Hahah... well they look awfully stupid now. Anyone who saw that car blitz the field at sebring new damn well that car was no way related to the production car. i mean Caddy sucked balls at lemans... and they failed miserably there... all of a sudden they bring this thing out just runs circles around everyone... heh.

hehe yea..well Caddy wasn't that bad where they? But they cleaned up with the C5-R.

Personally, the most exciting tv racing I saw was an SCCA racing series a long time ago in Speed. They had average cars (Civic, Neons, Talons, Eclipse, Probes, etc..) racing on a road circuit. It was such a close race...very exciting..there was a good battle between the Talon and the Neon I believe. I wish they showed more grassroots racing on Speed..and not those with the old British roadster replicas or Formula cars.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: bR
i like it. i dont love it or anything but i think its a nice car.

the monaro beat a Ferrari and a couple of porsche in the bathurst 24 hours... of course the Ferrari had mechanical trouble and a few porsche broke down but still...

The Monaro HSV beats out the competition (Ferrari, Porsche, etc..) in the Australian V8 Supercar series all the time.

if GM wasn't so involved with the CTS-v (if you can call it that) in Speed GT series, they would have put in the Monaro/GTO. But instead they managed to create a tube-frame CTS to blow the competition in Speed GT.

the first race of the CTS-V looked pretty horrible for everyone else... hahahaha... they blew everyone out of the water... lol.

that's cause it wasn't really a CTS-v. It was a tube-framed race car with a CTS-v body and drivetrain. They changed the suspension geometry and pick up points..and since it was tube-framed they reduced the weight dramatically.

Well thats the thing I dont even know why they allowed it in only to have it be restricted later on... guess they underestimated it.

do you know how they did in the second round at Lime Rock? I missed the race since I had work.

Well they evened out the field so it didnt dominate like it did... it was still fast enough since it was on a charge right before it ended under yellow... 3rd and 5th for the caddys... 1-2 for the RS6. seeing how those audis launch from the line makes me feel sorry for their trannys. :Q

I honestly didn't see the RS6 winning. Those guys are pigs, you can really see their weight in the corners. They can't carry speed in the bends..and they just understeer. Altho I don't know if they changed the setup in the second round.

how did they even out the field? Did they add ballast to the CTS-v?

They basically neutered it...

Added 200lbs more... :Q ...different air restrictor which cut off something increased restriction to 50% instead of 20%... they lowered to 7000 instead of 7900-8000... and a couple more... something with limiting weight distribution, different gearbox, and they cant touch the intake system to improve it for the whole season. That's a lot of changes...

well they deserved it. they bended the rules and SCCA bended over to them since Caddy is bringing in the dough for SCCA.

They simply outclassed the rest of the field. This isn't F1!!!

Hahah... well they look awfully stupid now. Anyone who saw that car blitz the field at sebring new damn well that car was no way related to the production car. i mean Caddy sucked balls at lemans... and they failed miserably there... all of a sudden they bring this thing out just runs circles around everyone... heh.

hehe yea..well Caddy wasn't that bad where they? But they cleaned up with the C5-R.

Personally, the most exciting tv racing I saw was an SCCA racing series a long time ago in Speed. They had average cars (Civic, Neons, Talons, Eclipse, Probes, etc..) racing on a road circuit. It was such a close race...very exciting..there was a good battle between the Talon and the Neon I believe. I wish they showed more grassroots racing on Speed..and not those with the old British roadster replicas or Formula cars.

caddy had a lot of expectations at lemans... they improved overall but their program was a failure... if they werent reliable enough they had respectable speed... if they were reliable enough they were just dog slow... sometimes they were both unreliable and slow... hahaha.

i think i missed those grassroots races... the earliest scca i remember on speed was when they had RX-7s running in front of f-bodies... that's if they were working of course... but they sure won when they did. i think my GFs dentist raced in that series you're talking about though since he had pictures in his office of him and his prelude racing with those kind of cars.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Hans5849
i really wish GM would super/turbocharge some of their V8's, but its still a kick ass car i can't wait to drive my dads 67' goat

When you are making 400HP and 395lbs/ft, you dont really need forced induction. Thats roughly equal to the numbers for the current Mustang Cobra, but without needing a supercharger.

EDIT: mAdD INDIAN and bR... can you stop with the nested quotes? I'm losing text.

 

[Hans5849]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: Hans5849
i really wish GM would super/turbocharge some of their V8's, but its still a kick ass car i can't wait to drive my dads 67' goat

300+HP isn't enough for you?

They really don't need to super/turbocharge the V8s, it makes more than enough power. The LS1/LS2 based engines are great designs.

Everyone says its bland, but I think the GTO looks nice.

Don't you mean 400+ HP


I love how if Pontiac has hood scoops or aggressive body everybody says its to much, but Pontiac comes out with a fast car, seats 4, and has nice clean lines and it is ALSO ugly.
No BIAS here

:roll:


I like it alot. Leaves room to be riced if thats what EVERYBODY here wants. Take a guess what, your scoops and 3 foot wing might look good :roll: on yoru toyota or honda, but keep them off teh GTO

You ever look at a WS6 or a Camaro SS, i see hood scoops

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Hans5849
i really wish GM would super/turbocharge some of their V8's, but its still a kick ass car i can't wait to drive my dads 67' goat

When you are making 400HP and 395lbs/ft, you dont really need forced induction. Thats roughly equal to the numbers for the current Mustang Cobra, but without needing a supercharger.

EDIT: mAdD INDIAN and bR... can you stop with the nested quotes? I'm losing text.

if you added a super it would make it even more powerful is my point, and then it would kill the mustang like nothing

 

[styrafoam]

It would also raise the price by a couple thousand at least. No need to make things complicated when they are in front in the power game.

Have there been any pics released of what the '05 will look like with the new stuff added?

 

[DainBramaged]

I :heart: GTO.

 

New aluminum block casting with revised oil galleries and provisions for external knock sensors ? external sensors improve serviceability
Camshaft lift increased to take advantage of increased cylinder head flow
Camshaft sensor relocated from the rear of the block to the front of the block provides room for new oil galleries
Flat-top piston design with lower ring tension reduces friction
Piston floating wrist pins help quiet the engine
More efficient ignition coils require less energy to provide a comparable spark
Compression raised to 10.9:1
Larger, 90-mm single-blade throttle body
Reduced-mass water pump design with improved sealing capability
Engine ?redline? raised to 6500 rpm
Revised and more powerful engine controller incorporates all electronic throttle control functions.

Either this a misprint or G.M. has found a new way of stiffening full floating wrist pins.

Full floating wrist pin, this makes assembly and disassembly easy but the assembly is only supported at all three points by oil which causes piston rocking which in turn causes noise and excessive wear at this highly stressed point.

Semi-floating piston pin, this is much stronger over all, notice that the piston pin is a press fit in the connecting rod, this makes for a much stronger assembly which greatly reduces piston rocking but it is much more difficult to assemble, this design is almost used universally throughout the industry in production automobile engines.