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GM going all electric by 2035

This is actually huge. GM and V8's are as much an identity of America as Apple Pie and Baseball.
 
You do realize there is going to be an infrastructure issue if they were to do that. The fact is that majority of apartment buildings in the US were built before the shift to electric vehicles started, and thus they do not have outlets at their parking. I can see this as a start to disenfranchising people who live in apartment buildings.
 
Amol S. said:
You do realize there is going to be an infrastructure issue if they were to do that. The fact is that majority of apartment buildings in the US were built before the shift to electric vehicles started, and thus they do not have outlets at their parking. I can see this as a start to disenfranchising people who live in apartment buildings.
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OR it presents an opportunity to create the necessary infra structure and the jobs associated with that effort. Also if tenants want electric cars and that becomes a factor driving where they rent then land lords will address that need.
 
Amol S. said:
You do realize there is going to be an infrastructure issue if they were to do that. The fact is that majority of apartment buildings in the US were built before the shift to electric vehicles started, and thus they do not have outlets at their parking. I can see this as a start to disenfranchising people who live in apartment buildings.
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Moot.
 
brycejones said:
OR it presents an opportunity to create the necessary infra structure and the jobs associated with that effort. Also if tenants want electric cars and that becomes a factor driving where they rent then land lords will address that need.
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Its going to be a massive cluster fuck no matter how much people try to make it work.
Even if everyone has access to a charging outlet its going to create massive issues.
Population of America knocks of work and drives home. Population off America plugs their cars in. *LIGHTS GO OFF*
 
Amol S. said:
You do realize there is going to be an infrastructure issue if they were to do that. The fact is that majority of apartment buildings in the US were built before the shift to electric vehicles started, and thus they do not have outlets at their parking. I can see this as a start to disenfranchising people who live in apartment buildings.
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Competent government is able to work with businesses to help build out infrastructure. It’s what we’ve done since the railroads, oil, telephones, and roads among many other things.

I get it though, when you’ve been told your whole life that government is the problem it can be jarring to come to the realization that that’s an incorrect statement and one that’s usually made by those that are incapable of running a good government.
 
Amol S. said:
You do realize there is going to be an infrastructure issue if they were to do that. The fact is that majority of apartment buildings in the US were built before the shift to electric vehicles started, and thus they do not have outlets at their parking. I can see this as a start to disenfranchising people who live in apartment buildings.
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The first Tesla Model S was sold in 2012. 9 years ago. We have almost 15 more years to prepare for this. 15 years is an eternity with as rapid as technology is progressing. The bigger issue for me is range anxiety which still exists without some very clunky overhead (total battery swaps instead of charging for example). The current fast charge is 44 miles for an hour charge top off. That's simply not viable for anyone that wants to use their primary vehicle for a long distance trip.

The other thing that's important is that dense urban/suburban environments need to do some deep reflections in how they are structured. Covid is going to make a long term impact in white collar commuters. Shifts in public policy will encourage alternate transportation methods (public transit, biking, ect) to cut down on parking/street infrastructures. All of that comes into play as well.
 
ivwshane said:
Competent government is able to work with businesses to help build out infrastructure. It’s what we’ve done since the railroads, oil, telephones, and roads among many other things.

I get it though, when you’ve been told your whole life that government is the problem it can be jarring to come to the realization that that’s an incorrect statement and one that’s usually made by those that are incapable of running a good government.
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If everyone in America swapped their cars for electric today what is the power that those batteries would pull from the grid overnight?
Can the grid stand up to that? Is there the energy generation capacity to supply that need?
 
WelshBloke said:
If everyone in America swapped their cars for electric today what is the power that those batteries would pull from the grid overnight?
Can the grid stand up to that? Is there the energy generation capacity to supply that need?
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Today is not 2035. That's also GM switching to producing only electric vehicles NOT replacing every vehicle on the road with an electric vehicle in 2035.
 
WelshBloke said:
If everyone in America swapped their cars for electric today what is the power that those batteries would pull from the grid overnight?
Can the grid stand up to that? Is there the energy generation capacity to supply that need?
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Why are you making up an imaginary scenario?
 
brycejones said:
Today is not 2035. That's also GM switching to producing only electric vehicles NOT replacing every vehicle on the road with an electric vehicle in 2035.
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Yes but the end goal is to have everyone driving an electric vehicle. I just want to see what sort of infrastructure change that would involve.
 
WelshBloke said:
If everyone in America swapped their cars for electric today what is the power that those batteries would pull from the grid overnight?
Can the grid stand up to that? Is there the energy generation capacity to supply that need?
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Upgrading the Grid is a constant Need in the US/Canada due to high Immigration. So the Grid will keep up with the Demand as it grows.
 
sandorski said:
Upgrading the Grid is a constant Need in the US/Canada due to high Immigration. So the Grid will keep up with the Demand as it grows.
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Will it? Thats the sort of assumption that ends up with all the lights going off.

Edit: Or the sudden need to quickly build whatever dirty power stations that can be brought into commission in the very short term because no one asked any hard questions before.
 
WelshBloke said:
Its a hypothetical to see what is need to achieve the goal of a fully electric national fleet.
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Well that’s a better question. I’d imagine solar with battery storage would be the way to go in terms of relatively cheap and easy.

Long term though, we are looking at an increase in alternative energy sources like wind, solar, and probably tidal along with mass storage capabilities.

The amount of jobs needed to make this happen will be huge as well as good paying. Sadly this is something we should have been investing in and preparing for since carter. 40+ years of Republican policies has seriously put us behind in so many categories.
 
ivwshane said:
Well that’s a better question. I’d imagine solar with battery storage would be the way to go in terms of relatively cheap and easy.

Long term though, we are looking at an increase in alternative energy sources like wind, solar, and probably tidal along with mass storage capabilities.
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I'd like figures though. How much power is available now, how much would be needed.
If solar then what sized solar generation would be needed, and how big would the battery capacity be to supply a nation as huge and power hungry as America?

I get that I should look these figures up myself but I'm tired and feeling pretty ill right now. I'll use my googlefu later.
 
WelshBloke said:
Will it? Thats the sort of assumption that ends up with all the lights going off.

Edit: Or the sudden need to quickly build whatever dirty power stations that can be brought into commission in the very short term because no one asked any hard questions before.
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This is not happening overnight, but over Decades. It will not be a problem as there are people who already understand what will likely be Needed.
 
WelshBloke said:
I'd like figures though. How much power is available now, how much would be needed.
If solar then what sized solar generation would be needed, and how big would the battery capacity be to supply a nation as huge and power hungry as America?

I get that I should look these figures up myself but I'm tired and feeling pretty ill right now. I'll use my googlefu later.
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12 the answer is 12.
 
sandorski said:
This is not happening overnight, but over Decades. It will not be a problem as there are people who already understand what will likely be Needed.
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I dunno. I very much don't trust the people who make decisions that actually implement change listen to the people who know what actually needs to be done.

In short politicians think in the short term.
 
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