GM fires 500 engineers

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
In other news, Managment gets 10% raise at GM. Management also decides to bump up SUV production another 20%.

...idiots.

just wait till you see Sales on the 07 SUV's GM is releasing.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: PeeluckyDuckee
Now this begs the question, what happens to all existing GM vehicle owners if they do go down, in terms of service and parts availability?

This doens't beg any question - if you had any understanding of economics and our government, you'd understand that even if GM filled for Bankruptcy, the government will support them. You would see no disruption in anything that GM provides.

A LARGE part of our economy is supported by GM, you don't understand waht we'd loose if they were gone.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: PeeluckyDuckee
Now this begs the question, what happens to all existing GM vehicle owners if they do go down, in terms of service and parts availability?

This doens't beg any question - if you had any understanding of economics and our government, you'd understand that even if GM filled for Bankruptcy, the government will support them. You would see no disruption in anything that GM provides.

A LARGE part of our economy is supported by GM, you don't understand waht we'd loose if they were gone.

DOWN WITH GM.

they only like employ %10 of the population or indirectly employ them...

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: desy
GM won't go under
A major restructure yes, gov't bailout probably, they still sell more cars than anybody, so if everybody else has better quality and better looking cars how come GM is number one worldwide? 9 million cars to Toyotas 8 million. . . yes that is likely to change in less than 5 yrs, regardless they still sell a crapload of vehicles
"it is losing ground to Asian rivals unencumbered by huge legacy costs"
There is the problem.
I don't know how they fix that part, but Nissan almost went under 6 years ago Renault bought them saved their arses hired Carlos Gohen to run the company turned it around and are now the most profitable company per car sold, outsell Renault and have a 4 million cars per yr market share.
It can be done

Actually - the margin is closing - Toyota is expected to possibly grab #1 car maker in the world this year.

Also - Nissan was a MUCH smaller company during those times, it's easier to divert a small boat from disaster than it is the Titanic (which, GM, unarguably, is).

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
In other news, Managment gets 10% raise at GM. Management also decides to bump up SUV production another 20%.

...idiots.

Well unfortunately for GM, SUV's are the only product that generates any money for them which is why they've been losing so much of it

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: desy
GM won't go under
A major restructure yes, gov't bailout probably, they still sell more cars than anybody, so if everybody else has better quality and better looking cars how come GM is number one worldwide? 9 million cars to Toyotas 8 million. . . yes that is likely to change in less than 5 yrs, regardless they still sell a crapload of vehicles
"it is losing ground to Asian rivals unencumbered by huge legacy costs"
There is the problem.
I don't know how they fix that part, but Nissan almost went under 6 years ago Renault bought them saved their arses hired Carlos Gohen to run the company turned it around and are now the most profitable company per car sold, outsell Renault and have a 4 million cars per yr market share.
It can be done

Actually - the margin is closing - Toyota is expected to possibly grab #1 car maker in the world this year.

dont forget Chrysler doing it, and GM ALMOST doing it like 20 years ago.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Chiller2

Originally posted by: Ime
GM should fire all the engineers for desgining the crap they put out. If GM wants to survive they should be trying to steal Toyota's or Honda's engineers!

AMEN!! now maybe they will get some decent designers. I love Chevys but can think of only a couple of products that I like (SSR, Trailblazer) the rest look like crap.

are you kidding? the SSR is a hideous, overpriced piece of junk!

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Chadder007
In other news, Managment gets 10% raise at GM. Management also decides to bump up SUV production another 20%.

...idiots.

Well unfortunately for GM, SUV's are the only product that generates any money for them which is why they've been losing so much of it

not true.

they have the #3 selling Entry level Sedan, #3 selling Midsize car, #1 selling SUV, and quite a few other high sales number vehicles.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Chadder007
In other news, Managment gets 10% raise at GM. Management also decides to bump up SUV production another 20%.

...idiots.

Well unfortunately for GM, SUV's are the only product that generates any money for them which is why they've been losing so much of it

not true.

they have the #3 selling Entry level Sedan, #3 selling Midsize car, #1 selling SUV, and quite a few other high sales number vehicles.

they do have the #3 selling sedan and midsized cars but are they making any profit off of them, the profit is coming from the SUV's, and GMAC of course

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new Tahoe and Suburban, Yukon, YukonXL, Escalade. will sell like gold priced at 1/4 of its actual value. they will just plain out sell the hell out of them. and then you will have the new Trucks as well.

Err, if it is selling at a 1/4 of its actual value, would that not mean GM is paying for the other 3/4? How exactly is this helping GM again?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new Tahoe and Suburban, Yukon, YukonXL, Escalade. will sell like gold priced at 1/4 of its actual value. they will just plain out sell the hell out of them. and then you will have the new Trucks as well.

you're joking right, if fully loaded Tahoe is about 40 grand then according to you they'll sell at 10 grand 😕

 

[TheSlamma]

All 3 deserve to go down for their quick buck scemes.

Long live Honda and Toyota, long term cars for long term gains and relationships.

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: radioouman
The part in bold is absolutely incorrect.

Absolutely correct

First learn the definition of this word: Kaizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen

Then read how it's applied in real life....

http://www.billsims.com/headline.php

In the August 13, 1996 issue, a recent article entitled "Kentucky Plant Workers are Cranking Out Good Ideas", Robert Lee Rose, Staff Reporter, writes....
"Jason Moncer has earned a nickname at a Johnson Controls Incorporated auto-parts factory in Georgetown, Kentucky.

Co-workers call him Mr. Kaizen, a reference to the Japanese word for continuous improvement. In June alone, Mr. Moncer came up with 30 suggestions for improving the plant. "I go on sprees," says the 21-year-old, whose latest ideas involve better ways to organize the metal seat components in his work area before he and others insert them into the foam used to make car seats.

In factories across the country, workers are suggesting ways to make their companies more efficient. But nowhere is the art practiced better than at Johnson Control's FoaMech factory, a key supplier to Toyota Motor Corporation's auto assembly plant in Georgetown. Out of 631 employee suggestions last year, the company found 221 good enough to implement. It says that each of the 230 workers provided at least one suggestion, either individually or as part of a team.

By saving money for the company workers improve their collective chances of getting bonuses at the same time they work toward individual awards. Mr. Moncer, for example, is saving up "FoaMech Perks" to get a large screen TV.

Detroit is sinking because the bottomline is what matters to consumers. If gas is going to cost them $80 a week to refill the gas tank, they can't afford to have a gas guzzling SUV. This is the 80's all over again, right back to the 55mph cars again.

Terumo

 

[CPA]

Pontiac Montana SV6 = Chevrolet Uplander = Saturn Relay

They are the exact fricken same vehicle. Can anyone explain why GM would do this? It's silly to me.

and now that they have two hot cars - Solstice and Sky - they are limiting production. What the hell are they thinking up there?

 

[KillerCharlie]

$30+ per hour for unskilled labor?! Dang, no wonder why they're going down.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
$30+ per hour for unskilled labor?! Dang, no wonder why they're going down.

Comparable wages can be found in foriegn-owned U.S. plants.

 

[desy]

Uhm Ryan that s why I said this
'that is likely to change in less than 5 yrs'

GM is a platinum employer thats gonna have to change. According to JD powers GM's turned the corner on quality, styling, well thats a personal choice still styled well enough to be that world's #1 producer of cars.

Price of gas, welll that a little bit misleading we paid more in the early 80's per capita I remember 😉 Energy costs us less a percentage of our disposable income than ever on average I think people have been lullled into cheap energy now that its finally going up again after historic lows its surfaced on the radar. Just means if you want the SUV Just like you wanted your 70's Chrsler Newport your going to have to pay more to fill it up and have less money for big screen TV's or 3000 square ft housing.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Unfortunately GM's white collar workers are responsible for the boring crap they churn out so they are starting to feel the crunch too.

Actually, management is ultimately responsible for the corporation, but they get a golden parachute, not a pink slip.

 

[astrosfan90]

Just wanted to reiterate those numbers for every person who's ever called Toyota more American than GM. I'm no math person, but that looks to show that GM employs 3.5 times as many workers in the US as Toyota.

GM:

White collar: 36,000

Production: 106,000.

Toyota:

White collar: 17,000

Production: 21,000

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new Tahoe and Suburban, Yukon, YukonXL, Escalade. will sell like gold priced at 1/4 of its actual value. they will just plain out sell the hell out of them. and then you will have the new Trucks as well.

you're joking right, if fully loaded Tahoe is about 40 grand then according to you they'll sell at 10 grand 😕

i was saying that if you tried to sell gold for 1/4 of its market value, thats how fast the Tahoes will sell

TheSlamma is a moron...

CPA, no one really knows.

iamwiz, its not the wages that kill them, but the overhead (the 250k retirees or whatever they have)

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
iamwiz, its not the wages that kill them, but the overhead (the 250k retirees or whatever they have)

I know. I was pointing out that wages are similar among all manufacturers.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new Tahoe and Suburban, Yukon, YukonXL, Escalade. will sell like gold priced at 1/4 of its actual value. they will just plain out sell the hell out of them. and then you will have the new Trucks as well.

you're joking right, if fully loaded Tahoe is about 40 grand then according to you they'll sell at 10 grand 😕

i was saying that if you tried to sell gold for 1/4 of its market value, thats how fast the Tahoes will sell

TheSlamma is a moron...

CPA, no one really knows.

iamwiz, its not the wages that kill them, but the overhead (the 250k retirees or whatever they have)

Ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up, btw i agree

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new Tahoe and Suburban, Yukon, YukonXL, Escalade. will sell like gold priced at 1/4 of its actual value. they will just plain out sell the hell out of them. and then you will have the new Trucks as well.

you're joking right, if fully loaded Tahoe is about 40 grand then according to you they'll sell at 10 grand 😕

i was saying that if you tried to sell gold for 1/4 of its market value, thats how fast the Tahoes will sell

TheSlamma is a moron...

CPA, no one really knows.

iamwiz, its not the wages that kill them, but the overhead (the 250k retirees or whatever they have)

Ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up, btw i agree

i know three people right now who will go into showrooms the minute they get word the Tahoe is in (one is waiting for the Denali Yukon) and buy them, my dad, and a friend who will pay cash for it.

 

[intogamer]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Americans love big cars, for example SUVs, with big engines. Detroit builds them and makes big profits. When the price of gas goes up Americans stop buying large cars and Detroit loses money.

Firing engineers is not going to change the kind or the quality of the cars Detroit builds. Only replacing upper management and changing the Detroit's culture will do that.

hmmm when the price of gas drops down very low.. I don't think people will still go SUV for the sake when gas prices rockets up.

 

[mrrman]

knew this would be happening soon