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GM Employee Discount for everyone Now Extended till 10/1!!!!

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Question for those more experienced than I:

I've got a employee pricing certificate from a family member and am looking at the Pontiac Vibe. I know that the GMS price is calculated, then incentives are subtracted. Base MSRP is $17,690.00, and with the Discount for Everyone it is priced at 15,137.65 after incentives. I assume that the current $1000 cash allowance incentive is factored into that price? If so, that is roughly $2500 off the MSRP.

My question is: should I buy this month, or wait until next month? Am I correct in reasoning that next month there will again be comperable dollar value incentives (about $2500), and I could use my employee price certificate AND then take off the incentives for a price around $13,000?
 
the discounts ends on july 5th.

I believe this discount only makes a big difference if you are buying the higher end models, like SUVs or trucks. It doesn't help much for the lower end cars that start out below 20k.
 
straubs

Interesting post. I'm sure the ancedotal stuff about the hand full of people you know is at least as valid as 810,000 written surveys from owners. Please try to understand, it is not Consumer Reports just making up their ratings on the basis of any bias by a couple dozen people who work for the magazine, it is those 810,000 surveys from owners.
 
Good try Mavtek ... how much do GM public relations pay you to be their FOXNEWS ..
People on the internet are not as stupid as people being brain washed by foxnews to comply with some retarded policy that would f*** them over.
Anyone who is not blind can see the difference in quality between the cars built in the US and any foreign car.
It very unfortunate that American automobile manufacturer have sunk that low in quality .. but in this world only the fittest can survive .. and it's time for GM and Ford to kick the bucket and quit making cars once and for good .. or even better being bought up by a foreign company so the few good cars they still make will be saved, the same way Chrysler lucked out.
I say that and I am very sad to see those great cars companies, with their great history and contribution, to the world of automobile industry back in the 50s and 60s, they made THE best and greatest looking cars in the world ... unfortunately it was down hill starting from the 70s till today .. it?s time for them to go.


Originally posted by: Mavtek
Wow, I hate being called Republican........... I belong to no party thank you, and no, I certainly don't work for GM..........

You're right the media runs the country, and GM runs the media, hence why we see Honda and Toyota ruling the charts and most of the automotive media.......... HUHM yea that makes sense.

Look I really don't care what your views are on America, GM, or the media are, I just thought alot of what you were spouting off as fact was just completely false and to be honest, downright ignorant. It's pretty obvious you can't accept just admitting you're wrong, and that's fine, cause I think the evidence speaks for itself.

 
Originally posted by: MowSow

It very unfortunate that American automobile manufacturer have sunk that low in quality .. but in this world only the fittest can survive .. and it's time for GM and Ford to kick the bucket and quit making cars once and for good .. or even better being bought up by a foreign company so the few good cars they still make will be saved, the same way Chrysler lucked out.
I say that and I am very sad to see those great cars companies, with their great history and contribution, to the world of automobile industry back in the 50s and 60s, they made THE best and greatest looking cars in the world ... unfortunately it was down hill starting from the 70s till today .. it?s time for them to go.

Then the economy would really be screwed. Wow there goes the american heritage out the door if anyone listens to you.
 
Consumer Reports obviously knows nothing about the reliability of cars! Your facts bear that out. They simply conduct surveys and publish results. A better question is "Does Consumer Reports know anything about conducting surveys?".
That I am sure you have no idea of. It is hard to conduct a fair survey. Lots of people will give answers that support their biases.

Originally posted by: spyboy64
Do any of you think Consumer Reports knows anything about the reliability of cars? Unlike JD Powers, CR follows each car model for 8 years. They do this through the responses of 810,000 returned subscriber surveys. That's right 810,000 surveys from vehichle owners going back 8 years! Of 44 GM models, they recommend 10, (and that includes the Toyota twin, Pontiac Vibe). So, they recommend 23% of GM models.

Then consider Toyota. Of 17 models of Toyota, including sedans, sporty cars, sports cars, minivans, SUVs, and trucks, they recommend 14 models. So they recommend 80% of Toyota models.

For you GM fans, here are the recommended GM models.

Buick LeSabre
Buick Park Avenue
Buick Rendevous
Cadillac CTS
Chevrolet Avalanche
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Siverado/GMC Sierra 1500
Chevrolet Tahoe
Pontiac Vibe
Saab 9-5

Perhaps this will be of some help to those considering a new GM product, during or after this particular promotion.

 
So far, it doesn't look like the cash rebate stacks. I "built" a GMC Sierra online this morning, and according to the GM Employee cost with rebates, etc. this should be it:

GMC SIERRA 1500, 2WD BAse Long Bed Ext. Cab
GMC Employee Price + $21,927.23
Cash Back Promotion - $ 3,000.00
Vortec 4800 V8 - $ 1,050.00
Cloth/split Bench - $ 282.00
Expected cost $17,595.23

I sent this out to over 6 area dealers (SF east bay, close to Sac.), none of them came back acting like they know anything about the GM Buy Power plan. The replies have been "We can get you a work truck (Vinyl seats, etc). for $2K more than that but we need to get it delivered for $350, etc.)., or we have a better model in stock for $31K starting."

Can anyone confirm the the Cash Rebates stack?? And if so, any links would be helpful...I have not found a thing.

CarsDirect has the cheapest quote I found, the configuration above was $20,855
 
I can confirm. Purchased a new Bonneville, and the cash rebates stacked with the GMS pricing, plus I got them to throw in a free AstroStart.
 
Originally posted by: MowSow
Anyone who is not blind can see the difference in quality between the cars built in the US and any foreign car.
It very unfortunate that American automobile manufacturer have sunk that low in quality ..

You're truely clueless, aren't you? This isn't 1970 anymore.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosconsumer/0506/04/G01-192200.htm
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp...on_id=14&article_id=2273&page_number=1
http://www.jdpower.com/special/powerreport/gm/GM_SPR.pdf


 
dfedders

On the other hand if, as does Consumer Reports, you follow hundreds of thousands of cars for 8 years you come up with this: at one year or less American cars average 18 problems per hundred vehicles while Asian cars average 16 problems per hundred vehicles. But down the road things change dramatically: at the 3 year mark, American vehicles average 55 problems per hundred vehicles while Asian cars average 33. At 8 years, American cars average 136 problems per 100 vehicles, while Asian vehicles average 66 problems per hundred vehicles.

The problem with the sources you sight is that they all revolve around JD Powers INITIAL QUALITY SYUDY . They only look at the first 90 DAYS OF OWNERSHIP . Unfortunately, as described in the first paragraph, American cars just get worse relatively quickly. If you are one of those people who gets a new car every 2 or 3 years, an American car, picked carefully, won't give you too much trouble.
 
I would not buy a GM car no matter how cheap it is. The cars are low quality and will break on you within a few months after driving it. Your car will spend most of its time in the shop.
 
>I can confirm. Purchased a new Bonneville, and the cash rebates stacked with the GMS pricing, plus I got them to throw in a free AstroStart.


I have not found that, unfortunately. You would think that on-line direct car sales sites like CarsDirect would be able to get close to GM Employee pricing + stack Cash Rebates. CarsDirect price is the lowest I can get confirmed and it is ~ $200 less then GM Employee pricing. The Sierra has a $3,000 rebate on it normally until the end of the month but it doesn't appear to be an available with GM Empoyee pricing :<
 
http://www.tctimes.com/site/news.cf...id=497461&rfi=6

Interesting Article covering GM and Toyota.

If I were king 5/26/05 (By Foster Childs, Tri-County News)

Some things never change

There's a Toyota ad running currently that brags about the fact that they have eight manufacturing plants in the U.S. building more than a million vehicles a year. The ad then finishes with some patriotic music and the statement "Toyota - a company that has created over 200,000 U.S. jobs - a company proud to do its small part to add to the landscape of America."

Pass the barf bag please.

Take just four or five minutes to read this article. Read some actual facts about the U.S. auto industry, not the spin put out by those wiley Japanese.

In terms of quality, of Toyota's eight plants, their best quality ranking is 16th. Of the top 10 plants for quality, GM has eight of the top 10 and four of the top five.

And then there's the myth of the happy, teamwork-oriented worker who labors in a unionless paradise surrounded by caring Japanese employers who only have his or her best interest at heart.

Fact: Toyota workers work for less money and are five times more likely than a GM worker to sustain an on-the-job injury and 10 times more likely to be injured seriously enough to lose work days.

Toyota likes to propagate the myth of their commitment to the environment as evidenced by the standard set by the Prius. What you don't hear about are the scores of Prius owners who are extremely unhappy with the performance and mileage of their Prius. Ads claim 60 mpg - the reality is that many Prius owners get about half that mileage - about 36 mpg. GM has five models that get similar mileage to the Prius and carry no price premium like the Prius - but you never read about that.

If GM had a vehicle that advertised 60 mpg but actually delivered 36 mpg, you can bet that it would be front page news, plus a nice segment on 60 Minutes.

But I digress. My point is that there is an incredibly unfair double standard in the media these days. Inexplicably, U.S. bashing has become the fashionable thing to do. There's no better example than the constant warm fuzzy stories churned out regularly about Toyota's legendary teamwork, safety and quality. And yet, the facts simply don't bear this out. The fact is that Toyota gets a free ride from our lazy and complicit media.

But it's time to separate fact from fiction. Toyota is, and has been, waging a very successful PR war with way too much assistance from our media. This results in a skewed viewpoint that dramatically affects how buyers perceive a new car purchase.

For instance, how many of you know that Chevrolet was the best selling passenger car brand in the U.S. last year?

How many of you know that for three years in a row, Cadillac has sold more luxury cars than anyone else - including Lexus and BMW?

How many of you are aware that, according to J.D. Power, GM was the number one multi-line manufacturer in Sales Satisfaction last year? Where was Toyota (including Lexus)? Seventh place.

GM was ranked second in the critical Customer Service Satisfaction index in multi-line manufacturers last year. Where was Toyota? Fifth place.

GM's lowest quality-rated vehicle is the Pontiac Vibe, assembled in California by - you guessed it - Toyota.

While Toyota is wrapping itself in the American flag with paid advertisements and help from our incompetent media, GM, Ford and Chrysler manufactured over 75 percent of all vehicles built in the U.S. last year. And their average domestic content is 82 percent. Toyota's is 40 percent (Lexus is 3 percent).

Every 100 GM, Ford or Chrysler vehicles produced in the U.S. supports the livelihood of 23 full-time workers. Conversely, every point share gained by Toyota represents 18,000 lost American jobs and countless profit dollars that are shipped overseas to Japan.

I am not suggesting that GM, Ford or Chrysler needs your charity, but I am suggesting that you should know the facts before you buy.

In the book "Ghost Soldiers," the author recounts the story of the Bataan Death March. When the Americans arrived at their destination with over half of them dead due to unspeakable cruelties from their captors, the camp commander stood on a box and shouted, "You Americans are the enemy, you will always be the enemy, one hundred years from now we will still be enemies."

What has changed since then?

Think about that the next time you go to buy a Toyota.
 
Mavtek, Talk about needing a barf bag. Posting an Op-Ed article!?...not a very solid piece of journalism for supporting your viewpoint. And by the way, this is 2005, not 1945. Bataan Death March is about as relevant to car quality as the Japanese internment camps. I followed this thread thinking it actually had something to do with GM's employee discount and car deals, only to find it taken over by jingoism. I'm out of here.
 
So far, the GM Employee pricing looks like a farce to me. Many manufacturers are offering cash rebate incentives on their vehicles, including GM. When you look at GM employee pricing compared to other manufacturer vehicles with rebate incentives the price is still close on competing brands. I have checked many on-line car dealers (AutoBytel, Carsdirect, AutoWeb, etc) and not les than 6 dealers in a 100 mile radius of where I live. Not one appears to offer the GM Employee pricing stacked with Cash Rebates/Incentives. So, in looking for a full-sized truck the distinction between GM/Dodge/Nissan pricing is negligible. I am in the market for a truck, and would not have had a problem with a GM purchase but it appears this GM marketing is just a gimmick and is turning me off from purchasing from them!
 
Originally posted by: seanbigdealer
So far, the GM Employee pricing looks like a farce to me. Many manufacturers are offering cash rebate incentives on their vehicles, including GM. When you look at GM employee pricing compared to other manufacturer vehicles with rebate incentives the price is still close on competing brands. I have checked many on-line car dealers (AutoBytel, Carsdirect, AutoWeb, etc) and not les than 6 dealers in a 100 mile radius of where I live. Not one appears to offer the GM Employee pricing stacked with Cash Rebates/Incentives. So, in looking for a full-sized truck the distinction between GM/Dodge/Nissan pricing is negligible. I am in the market for a truck, and would not have had a problem with a GM purchase but it appears this GM marketing is just a gimmick and is turning me off from purchasing from them!

What about a Ford or Toyota?
 
I like the Ford trucks, but they are a good $2K-$3K more than Dodge/GM. Toyota Tundra seems a bit smaller, more like a larger Mid-size than a Full size. And on another subject - GM still have a 3/36 warranty, why is that? Dodge has double the warranty! GM is really peaving me with this stupid "GM Employee price for everyone" BFD!
 
How many of you know that for three years in a row, Cadillac has sold more luxury cars than anyone else - including Lexus and BMW?

lol that's because 90% of their sales are for rental fleets/limos. try again.
 
IHYLN, the DTS is the only cadillac that is primarily sold as fleet for limos. The DTS only accounts around %15 of Cadillac's total sales, and I doubt all of them are sold to fleets. And besides, is it a bad thing that they make luxury Limo's out of Cadillacs? I don't get it sorry.
 
Originally posted by: spyboy64
dfedders

On the other hand if, as does Consumer Reports, you follow hundreds of thousands of cars for 8 years you come up with this: at one year or less American cars average 18 problems per hundred vehicles while Asian cars average 16 problems per hundred vehicles. But down the road things change dramatically: at the 3 year mark, American vehicles average 55 problems per hundred vehicles while Asian cars average 33. At 8 years, American cars average 136 problems per 100 vehicles, while Asian vehicles average 66 problems per hundred vehicles.

The problem with the sources you sight is that they all revolve around JD Powers INITIAL QUALITY SYUDY . They only look at the first 90 DAYS OF OWNERSHIP . Unfortunately, as described in the first paragraph, American cars just get worse relatively quickly. If you are one of those people who gets a new car every 2 or 3 years, an American car, picked carefully, won't give you too much trouble.

I don't put a lot of stock into that Consumer Reports data, because EVERY car manufacturer is averaging over 100 problems per 100 cars according to the JD Powers INITIAL QUALITY STUDY, so how come Consumer Reporets data is so low for their initial quality (16 & 18 per 100 as you listed)?!?!?

Somehow the data that after 8 years there were only 66 problems per 100 vehicles does NOT match up to JD Powers Initial Quaility where there are over 100 problems per 100 vehicles within the first few months. 😕

 
Originally posted by: IHYLN
How many of you know that for three years in a row, Cadillac has sold more luxury cars than anyone else - including Lexus and BMW?

lol that's because 90% of their sales are for rental fleets/limos. try again.

So, now we're just making up our own stats?

 
Mavtek, what IHYLN was pointing out was the same exact thing FORD did a few years back with the Taurus. Claiming it was the number one sold car in it's class for a couple of years... What they failed to mentioned was they conned the American Military and a few other major organizations into buying the vehicle. IE Fleet sales. Guess what... the military doesn't buy those POS taurus crapola cars anymore. The regular joe blow consumer never did.

Caddy's are the same way right now. GM is giving huge price breaks for fleet sales to particular organizations. A couple years down the road, those organizations are going to be really PO'd.
 
Cash rebates stack with GM pricing. Saab 9-2X Aero gets about $1600 off for GM pricing, and another $6k off in cash rebates. Dealer did the math right in front of me and took off the rebate without me even saying a word.
 
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