GM Debuting Full-Size Hybrid Trucks in Fall 07

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: eshtog

Originally posted by: archcommus
Let's do some math, folks. Let's say you own the truck for seven years and drive 12,000 miles/year. That's 84,000 miles.

Let's say your regular V8 gets 17 MPG. That is then 4941 gallons of gas, or $14,823 at $3/gal.
Let's say the hybrid V8 gets 23 MPG. That is 3652 gallons of gas, or $10,956 at $3/gal.

Savings of $3867, factoring in the price of the hybrid vehicle, only $867 over a seven year time period.

lol I have an 06 BMW and in 10 months I have driven 24k miles

i drive an 07 BMW 985, and i have 150k miles on it already.

the car was a 1 off custom bimmer for myself, featuring an 8.5 liter V12, in an E class sedan.

E-Penis++

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
12k miles a year, that is funny

There are records on this data. The EPA says:

The number of miles driven per year is assumed to be 12,000 miles for all passenger vehicles. This number is based on several sources. Calculations from EPA?s MOBILE6 model show an average annual mileage of roughly 10,500 miles per year for passenger cars and over 12,400 miles per year for light trucks across all vehicles in the fleet. However, these numbers include the oldest vehicles in the fleet (vehicles 25 years of age and older), which are likely not used as primary vehicles and are driven substantially less than newer vehicles. Since this calculation is for a typical vehicle, including the oldest vehicles may not be appropriate. For all vehicles up to 10 years old, MOBILE6 shows an annual average mileage of close to 12,000 miles per year for passenger cars, and over 15,000 miles per year for light trucks.

Originally posted by: archcommus
So you drive far more than average, why should I use your numbers?

These calculations should be done personally. If someone will drive 1000 miles per year, the average 15,000 mile number is meaningless. Similarly if someone will drive 100,000 miles per year, the average number is meaningless. I can see the point of using average numbers on a general internet post, however, you have to realize that averages rarely apply to specific responders to that post.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
12k miles a year, that is funny

There are records on this data. The EPA says:

The number of miles driven per year is assumed to be 12,000 miles for all passenger vehicles. This number is based on several sources. Calculations from EPA?s MOBILE6 model show an average annual mileage of roughly 10,500 miles per year for passenger cars and over 12,400 miles per year for light trucks across all vehicles in the fleet. However, these numbers include the oldest vehicles in the fleet (vehicles 25 years of age and older), which are likely not used as primary vehicles and are driven substantially less than newer vehicles. Since this calculation is for a typical vehicle, including the oldest vehicles may not be appropriate. For all vehicles up to 10 years old, MOBILE6 shows an annual average mileage of close to 12,000 miles per year for passenger cars, and over 15,000 miles per year for light trucks.

Originally posted by: archcommus
So you drive far more than average, why should I use your numbers?

These calculations should be done personally. If someone will drive 1000 miles per year, the average 15,000 mile number is meaningless. Similarly if someone will drive 100,000 miles per year, the average number is meaningless. I can see the point of using average numbers on a general internet post, however, you have to realize that averages rarely apply to specific responders to that post.

o, i knew that 12k was the average.

but as shown in your own post.

he sshould use around 16k miles.

"and over 15,000 miles per year for light trucks."

 

[archcommus]

Okay I edited my numbers with 16k/year.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: eshtog

Originally posted by: archcommus
Let's do some math, folks. Let's say you own the truck for seven years and drive 12,000 miles/year. That's 84,000 miles.

Let's say your regular V8 gets 17 MPG. That is then 4941 gallons of gas, or $14,823 at $3/gal.
Let's say the hybrid V8 gets 23 MPG. That is 3652 gallons of gas, or $10,956 at $3/gal.

Savings of $3867, factoring in the price of the hybrid vehicle, only $867 over a seven year time period.

lol I have an 06 BMW and in 10 months I have driven 24k miles

So you drive far more than average, why should I use your numbers?

EDIT: Also clearly the make and year of your car have NOTHING to do with how much you've driven. But I guess adding that in made you feel better. Whatever helps that e-penis grow...

you tell'em archcommus. My dad has a 1995 ford escort with only 62K miles. He's an exceptional data point just like eshtog is.

12K/year is close to the average.

 

[zephyrprime]

By the way, are all GM trucks using their variable displacement technology nowadays?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: archcommus
Okay I edited my numbers with 16k/year.

dont forget tax breaks, if there will be any when it comes out.

so maybe $5k in savings over 7 years?

how many years/miles is the break even point?

 

[theeedude]

Sounds like a great idea. 4 speed auto for towing and low gears, and a CVT for fuel economy and high gears. Why didn't Toyota think of that?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: archcommus
Okay I edited my numbers with 16k/year.

dont forget tax breaks, if there will be any when it comes out.

so maybe $5k in savings over 7 years?

how many years/miles is the break even point?

I was about to say the same. So if it was break even, the tax breaks would put it over. That and like the other Hybrids the resale will be high, and GM trucks have a pretty good resale already. Can someone say OVER MSRP pricing when they first come out.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Rather they just put a smaller diesel in their mid and light duty full sized trucks.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Rather they just put a smaller diesel in their mid and light duty full sized trucks.

Twould be nice, but America is afraid of diesels.

Reminds me of a guy I used to work for, a home contractor. He had a beat up old 1993 Chevy Suburban with the 5.7L V8. This thing was beat to hell, had tons of exhaust leaks, he put like $75 of gas in it (like 2 years ago) every 3 days. He had a huge open trailer, probably 10-12' long that would get filled with construction debris from his houses and we'd haul it to the dump. That truck was barely able to get going with the pedal to the floor with that trailer.

Enter: Brand new Silverado 2500HD with turbo diesel. Can you say like 600+ ft-lbs of torque? Not only did it pull that trailer without showing a hint of strain, but he got exceptionally better gas mileage. I wanna say he was getting around 20MPG driving around the city, but I could be wrong.

It was great when the road was just a little damp, we had just turned onto a road & straightened out when he gave it like 3/4 throttle. The tires spun at like 30-40MPH :Q Damn that thing had some serious torque

 

[RU482]

cool! I worked on this project when I worked for Allison Transmission in Indy. Nice to see it didn't get shelved

 

[foghorn67]

Why in California is diesel more expensive then super unleaded. This state is run by children.

 

[RU482]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Transmission probably adds some weight, but I can't imagine the extra transmission weighs more than 200-300 pounds, even with all the linkages associated with it.

It fits in the same length bell housing as the regular automatic transmission

 

[RU482]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Rather they just put a smaller diesel in their mid and light duty full sized trucks.

Hehe, I helped put together a truck for the 02 LA Auto Show that had a Duramax engine and an early prototype of this transmission.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/112_news011003_army/

 

[otispunkmeyer]

CVT's are wierd, its a queer feeling. getting faster n faster without any real change in engine note. in theory/practice it keeps the engine in its power band so you can accelerate well at any time, but some how its just boring...

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
CVT's are wierd, its a queer feeling. getting faster n faster without any real change in engine note. in theory/practice it keeps the engine in its power band so you can accelerate well at any time, but some how its just boring...

I've never driven a car with a CVT and can't picture what that would be like. What does the tach do?

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: eshtog

Originally posted by: archcommus


lol I have an 06 BMW and in 10 months I have driven 24k miles

Whup dee do. I have a ten year old Acura that has 85K miles. Time to bring the average down.

 

[Nyati13]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I've never driven a car with a CVT and can't picture what that would be like. What does the tach do?

Depends on the situation, but you can actually be accelerating with the tach needle holding still at whatever RPM the engine works best at. The engine's RPMs are no longer directly connected to the speed of the vehicle.

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Kenazo
Now if they can make a 350hp truck get 25mpg, give me a 200hp truck that gets 40mpg and I'd be even more happy.

Won't happen, the reason why a larger displacement engine is ideal on trucks in regards to fuel economy is because it can handle the weight and the work load better than a smaller engine. So really, the smaller engine has to work harder to keep up.

I never said anything about giving up displacement, I said that I would prefer a 40mpg truck, even if it didn't have the balls. Look at vehicles in the 80's. They all had 100-200hp max. Since then we suddenly think we all need 250-350hp vehicles. Let's rather take the technological advances that got today's 350hp vehicles to have the same mileage as the 150hp vehicles from 20 years ago and use it to make a 150hp vehicle that gets 3x the mileage. I know it's not quite that simple, but you get the idea of what I'd like to see.

(Disclaimer, I actually like fast, powerful vehicles. My pocket book just doesn't like them)

 

[OrganizedChaos]

i wonder how long those CVTs will last.

 

[eshtog]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: eshtog

Originally posted by: archcommus
Let's do some math, folks. Let's say you own the truck for seven years and drive 12,000 miles/year. That's 84,000 miles.

Let's say your regular V8 gets 17 MPG. That is then 4941 gallons of gas, or $14,823 at $3/gal.
Let's say the hybrid V8 gets 23 MPG. That is 3652 gallons of gas, or $10,956 at $3/gal.

Savings of $3867, factoring in the price of the hybrid vehicle, only $867 over a seven year time period.

lol I have an 06 BMW and in 10 months I have driven 24k miles

So you drive far more than average, why should I use your numbers?

EDIT: Also clearly the make and year of your car have NOTHING to do with how much you've driven. But I guess adding that in made you feel better. Whatever helps that e-penis grow...

lol dont be jealous