GM already building 2007 SUVs...

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Lifer
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DETROIT-- General Motors Corp. has begun producing a new lineup of full-size SUVs earlier than expected after saying last spring it would speed up the program to help restore profits and boost lagging sales.

The automaker started producing the 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe, GMC Yukon and Cadillac Escalade in the last week of November, one week ahead of an already accelerated timetable aimed to begin output five weeks early.

Gary White, GM vice president over full-size trucks, said the automaker was able to shave off the time after prototype testing was completed early. The SUV program further benefited from a new engineering approach that stresses the use of more common parts among GM vehicles, he said.

"Really, we did all the things we needed to do two years ago to be able to move faster at the end," White said in an interview Thursday.

The same efficiencies will let GM move up the launch of its redesigned full-size pickups -- the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra -- by three months to October 2006, he said.

GM Chairman Rick Wagoner decided to speed the SUVs to market earlier this year as part of his effort to resurrect the automaker's North American operations.

GM's North American automotive division lost $4.8 billion in the first nine months of 2005 amid falling sales, rising material costs and increased competition. But the large SUVs face challenges in a U.S. market is rife with smaller, more nimble and more fuel-efficient alternatives to traditional truck-based SUVs.

"Any expectation for those vehicles has to be somewhat muted," said Erich Merkle, industry analyst with IRN Inc. in Grand Rapids, who believes GM's large SUV sales will remain flat with the new entries.

While GM said the large SUV market is unlikely to reach around one million annual sales -- as it did at its 2002 peak, the company expects to remain the dominant player in the highly profitable segment.

To woo buyers, GM made a raft of improvements to the new SUVs, adding more upscale interiors, new safety features and revamped powertrains that improve fuel economy to an average 20 miles per gallon.http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051216/AUTO01/512160364/1148
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Toyota makes great SUVs. They are great because their MPG are pretty amazing for their size/power.

I believe 6-speed auto transmissions help also in fuel economy. Toyota has 5-speed but they are moving to 6-speed with the new Rav4. I'm sure GM is also doing this.
 

Scouzer

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Jun 3, 2001
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GM has always been the slowest when it comes to new transmission. I bet its the steadfast 4 speed.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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i just filled up my tank at 2.09 a gallon in the bay area...so i guess suv's are still on. and the euro/brits are probably grinding their teeth now lol:)
 

Colt45

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Originally posted by: Scouzer
GM has always been the slowest when it comes to new transmission. I bet its the steadfast 4 speed.



/waits for the carburated 454 with a powerglide.

woot efficency
 
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As long as it still snows in the world and people need to carry a lot of passengers or stuff there will always be SUV's and trucks.
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Toyota makes great SUVs. They are great because their MPG are pretty amazing for their size/power.

I believe 6-speed auto transmissions help also in fuel economy. Toyota has 5-speed but they are moving to 6-speed with the new Rav4. I'm sure GM is also doing this.

dude what are you talking about, Toyota's SUV's are pigs, GM' are the most fuel effecient. Link

And that was with the old 4-speeds tranny, this next generation will be even more fuel effecient when they get the 6-speeds
 

DougK62

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Originally posted by: Scouzer
GM has always been the slowest when it comes to new transmission. I bet its the steadfast 4 speed.

I'll take a super reliable transmission over a less reliable version that has an extra gear.

 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: Scouzer
GM has always been the slowest when it comes to new transmission. I bet its the steadfast 4 speed.



/waits for the carburated 454 with a powerglide.

woot efficency

LOL!!
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: JoePa
As long as it still snows in the world and people need to carry a lot of passengers or stuff there will always be SUV's and trucks.

You mean,
as long as there are men with small penises or small women with insecurity issues in the world...

(disclaimer: I have no problem with people who do carry a lot of passengers, or a lot of stuff, or drive in heavy snow or mud in their SUVs)
 

MikeMike

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Feb 6, 2000
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the new GM SUV's are Best in class MPG.

Toyotas do NOT, i repeat do NOT get good MPG in their SUV's.

the new GM SUV's (Tahoe) get 19/21 city/highway while the Toyota Sequoia gets 15/18
 

toekramp

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new GM SUV's are Best in class MPG.

Toyotas do NOT, i repeat do NOT get good MPG in their SUV's.

the new GM SUV's (Tahoe) get 19/21 city/highway while the Toyota Sequoia gets 15/18

???? the new Rav4 get something like 30mpg, non-hybrid

how many hybrid GMs are there?

 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: toekramp
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new GM SUV's are Best in class MPG.

Toyotas do NOT, i repeat do NOT get good MPG in their SUV's.

the new GM SUV's (Tahoe) get 19/21 city/highway while the Toyota Sequoia gets 15/18

???? the new Rav4 get something like 30mpg, non-hybrid

how many hybrid GMs are there?

your calling the Rav4 an SUV, its a cute-ute. and it gets a max of 29 HIGHWAY.

its a small, economical, car based, fwd, inline 4 suv. (the older one)

you go about non-hybrids and then say how many GM suv's are there?

you know what real world Hybrid SUV MPG get? the same as their non-hybrid Partners.

how many hybrid busses does Toyota make?
 

Ktulu

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Dec 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: toekramp
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new GM SUV's are Best in class MPG.

Toyotas do NOT, i repeat do NOT get good MPG in their SUV's.

the new GM SUV's (Tahoe) get 19/21 city/highway while the Toyota Sequoia gets 15/18

???? the new Rav4 get something like 30mpg, non-hybrid

how many hybrid GMs are there?

We're talking Full-Size SUV's, not cute utes

the HHR is considered an SUV and gets 30 mpg non-hybrid, same as the Rav4, so what's your point
 

MikeMike

Lifer
Feb 6, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: toekramp
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new GM SUV's are Best in class MPG.

Toyotas do NOT, i repeat do NOT get good MPG in their SUV's.

the new GM SUV's (Tahoe) get 19/21 city/highway while the Toyota Sequoia gets 15/18

???? the new Rav4 get something like 30mpg, non-hybrid

how many hybrid GMs are there?

We're talking Full-Size SUV's, not cute utes

the HHR is considered an SUV and gets 30 mpg non-hybrid, same as the Rav4, so what's your point

i was gunna do that, but i found it unfair. so i compared to the equinox which is larger.
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
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GM just refuses to see the writing on the wall. Post-Katrina was only a small glimpse of what is to come. If GM doesn't want to prepare for what is to come, then they can welcome bankruptcy.
 

Ktulu

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Dec 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: toekramp
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new GM SUV's are Best in class MPG.

Toyotas do NOT, i repeat do NOT get good MPG in their SUV's.

the new GM SUV's (Tahoe) get 19/21 city/highway while the Toyota Sequoia gets 15/18

???? the new Rav4 get something like 30mpg, non-hybrid

how many hybrid GMs are there?

We're talking Full-Size SUV's, not cute utes

the HHR is considered an SUV and gets 30 mpg non-hybrid, same as the Rav4, so what's your point

i was gunna do that, but i found it unfair. so i compared to the equinox which is larger.

Hahaha, yeah it is a bit unfair, the Nox is a better comparison, although it does have a pitiful engine
 

toekramp

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: toekramp
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the new GM SUV's are Best in class MPG.

Toyotas do NOT, i repeat do NOT get good MPG in their SUV's.

the new GM SUV's (Tahoe) get 19/21 city/highway while the Toyota Sequoia gets 15/18

???? the new Rav4 get something like 30mpg, non-hybrid

how many hybrid GMs are there?

We're talking Full-Size SUV's, not cute utes

the HHR is considered an SUV and gets 30 mpg non-hybrid, same as the Rav4, so what's your point

i was gunna do that, but i found it unfair. so i compared to the equinox which is larger.

Hahaha, yeah it is a bit unfair, the Nox is a better comparison, although it does have a pitiful engine

i stand corrected.