Global Warming Scientists Trapped in Antarctic Ice

[fskimospy]

The further we get from the short term trend of the 80s and 90s, the more insignificant it looks.

This is simply not accurate.

 

[werepossum]

The further we get from the short term trend of the 80s and 90s, the more insignificant it looks.

Does it really matter? Obviously the Earth has marvelous feedback mechanisms to cool it off, but I doubt it can cope with rapidly elevating CO2 levels for another century. Even if the temperatures remain cool (and we know the overall tendency between ice ages is to get warmer), at some point the combination of high CO2 and other manmade stressors will probably trigger a mass extinction even if temperatures remain moderate.

 

[Jaskalas]

This is simply not accurate.

And if it doesn't warm again until 2030s?

A natural cycle of warming every 50 years as seen in the gap between 1930-40, 1980-90, and potentially 2030-2040 would be a very strong argument that whatever the Climate Sensitivity is, it is not significant.

What about this do you refute?

 

[fskimospy]

And if it doesn't warm again until 2030s?

A natural cycle of warming every 50 years as seen in the gap between 1930-40, 1980-90, and potentially 2030-2040 would be a very strong argument that whatever the Climate Sensitivity is, it is not significant.

What about this do you refute?

I would recommend looking at the solar cycle as it relates to those periods.

The science is undeniable.

 

[Jaskalas]

I would recommend looking at the solar cycle as it relates to those periods.

The science is undeniable.

What, that man and CO2 are not in control? Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Does it really matter? Obviously the Earth has marvelous feedback mechanisms to cool it off, but I doubt it can cope with rapidly elevating CO2 levels for another century. Even if the temperatures remain cool (and we know the overall tendency between ice ages is to get warmer), at some point the combination of high CO2 and other manmade stressors will probably trigger a mass extinction even if temperatures remain moderate.

It seems to me that all the previous mass extinctions didn't prevent life from repopulating Earth.

So as long mankind isn't in the extinct group, who cares?

 

[fskimospy]

It seems to me that all the previous mass extinctions didn't prevent life from repopulating Earth.

So as long mankind isn't in the extinct group, who cares?

Because there are levels of badness between 'nothing wrong!' and 'extinction'?

 

[fskimospy]

What, that man and CO2 are not in control? Thanks for pointing that out.

No, as stated many times before, there are many inputs into the Earth's climate. Man produced CO2 is simply one of those things. The warming that has occurred in the last 30-40 years cannot be explained through these other mechanisms - only increases in CO2 concentrations makes sense. This is what the science is all about.

Seriously, the evidence is overwhelming.

 

[unokitty]

Polar chief slams Antarctic cruise

The head of France's polar science institute has voiced fury at the misadventures of a Russian ship trapped in Antarctic ice, deriding what he called a tourists' trip that had diverted resources from real science.

In an interview with AFP, Yves Frenot, director of the French Polar Institute, said he had no issue at all with rescuing those aboard the stricken vessel.

He said the trip itself was a 'pseudo-scientific expedition' that, because it had run into difficulties, had drained resources from the French, Chinese and Australian scientific missions in Antarctica...

The Russian vessel, the Akademik Shokalskiy, became stuck on December 24 ...

Its 52 passengers - scientists, tourists and journalists - were airlifted on Thursday to an Australian government supply vessel, the Aurora Australis, using a helicopter from a Chinese icebreaker, the Xue Long.

The Xue Long itself may now be trapped in the ice, and the Aurora Australis has been placed on standby to see if the Chinese ship needs help.

In addition, a French Antarctic vessel, the Astrolabe, which resupplies Dumont d'Urville during the Antarctic summer between October and March was requisitioned for a week to help in the rescue operation.

The trip on the Akademik Shokalskiy was aimed at emulating a 1911-1914 expedition by the Australian explorer, Sir Douglas Mawson.

'This kind of commemorative expedition has no interest from a scientific point of view,' said Frenot.

Because of the rescue operations, French scientists had had to scrap a two-week oceanographic campaign this month using the Astrolabe, Frenot said.

'The Chinese have had to cancel all their scientific programme, and my counterpart in Australia is spitting tacks with anger, because their entire summer has been wiped out.'

Pseudo-science, overwhelming the evidence is.

Uno

 

[fskimospy]

Polar chief slams Antarctic cruise

Pseudo-science, overwhelming the evidence is.

Uno

We do frequently run into a pseudo-science problem with climate change deniers, yes. I agree this is a fairly big problem but you have to remember that denialists aren't basing their objections on science, it is an emotional and tribal response.

 

[Jaskalas]

No, as stated many times before, there are many inputs into the Earth's climate. Man produced CO2 is simply one of those things. The warming that has occurred in the last 30-40 years cannot be explained through these other mechanisms - only increases in CO2 concentrations makes sense. This is what the science is all about.

Seriously, the evidence is overwhelming.

30-40 years is NOT accurate AT ALL. Since their claim of "man taking control in the 1950s" it has only warmed for 20 years. In the 80s and 90s. MOST the time it has not warmed. This natural cycle appears to be repeating itself.

If there is a signal for AGW in there, it's quite small and is NOTHING compared to the short term trend of rising temperatures once every 50 years.
You're not trying to deny climate / science now, are you?

 

[fskimospy]

30-40 years is NOT accurate AT ALL. Since their claim of "man taking control in the 1950s" it has only warmed for 20 years. In the 80s and 90s. MOST the time it has not warmed. This natural cycle appears to be repeating itself.

If there is a signal for AGW in there, it's quite small and is NOTHING compared to the short term trend of rising temperatures once every 50 years.

This is once again, simply inaccurate. Where are you getting your information from?

EDIT: No, I'm trying to inform you of climate science. Natural mechanisms are accounted for, and in fact were greenhouse gasses not overwhelming natural mechanisms we would have seen cooling overall since 1950.

 

[monovillage]

Polar chief slams Antarctic cruise




Pseudo-science, overwhelming the evidence is.

Uno

Let's see what someone that majored in political science has to say about pseudo-science.

 

[monovillage]

Trapped in Ice: CC story of 2013.

http://rankexploits.com/musings/2014/trapped-in-ice-cc-story-of-2013/

language warning.

 

[werepossum]

It seems to me that all the previous mass extinctions didn't prevent life from repopulating Earth.

So as long mankind isn't in the extinct group, who cares?

Because it would be a grayer and poorer world in every way with, say, a tenth as many darter species, or barren barrier reefs choked with algae, or the various endangered southwestern and midwestern species wiped out as that region returns to a dust bowl due to persistent drought, or four thousand frog species wiped out because the climate got a bit more friendly to a persistent fungus, or with clouds of mosquito poison because the bats and dragonflies died out, or future generations unable to experience a tuna salad sandwich because the tuna died out when the herring died out when the sardines died out when the krill died out when the reefs ceased their huge spawns of pelagic larvae.

All these species are gifts from G-d. When we let one go extinct, we fail to honor our responsibility. I'm not sold on CAGW, but CO2 concentration is clearly all on us.

Polar chief slams Antarctic cruise

Pseudo-science, overwhelming the evidence is.

Uno

Pop science. They already have their conclusions, they just need to get out and gather some points to thread together.

30-40 years is NOT accurate AT ALL. Since their claim of "man taking control in the 1950s" it has only warmed for 20 years. In the 80s and 90s. MOST the time it has not warmed. This natural cycle appears to be repeating itself.

If there is a signal for AGW in there, it's quite small and is NOTHING compared to the short term trend of rising temperatures once every 50 years.
You're not trying to deny climate / science now, are you?

There's a reason global warming graphs typically start at the end of the Little Ice Age. It's easiest to demonstrate a warming trend if you start with the coldest period in recorded history.

 

[dmcowen674]

November was the warmest ever on record for the planet and now today here in Indianapolis after a foot of snow and 4 foot drifts I am cold as shit at -16 air temp with -40 wind chill.

Damn Global Cooling.

 

[Munky]

Too funny. So has it been mentioned yet regarding Turney's Carbonscapes company, or that the ship was full of tourists and media talking heads? To call it a scientific expedition is a joke at best, and a scam at worst.

 

[dphantom]

November was the warmest ever on record for the planet and now today here in Indianapolis after a foot of snow and 4 foot drifts I am cold as shit at -16 air temp with -40 wind chill.

Damn Global Cooling.

weather does not equal climate

 

[Jaskalas]

November was the warmest ever on record for the planet and now today here in Indianapolis after a foot of snow and 4 foot drifts I am cold as shit at -16 air temp with -40 wind chill.

Damn Global Cooling.

At 0.7C rise in temps, it makes perfect sense that you wouldn't notice the difference. Without the increase that would almost make it -17 and -41 respectively... but it's not even that simple.

Some regions haven't warmed much at all, and the whole "global" increase is mainly driven by the difference at the poles. So no, it hasn't affected your temperature, you'll still freeze your ass off in the winter.

 

[Jaskalas]

Too funny. So has it been mentioned yet regarding Turney's Carbonscapes company, or that the ship was full of tourists and media talking heads? To call it a scientific expedition is a joke at best, and a scam at worst.

The scam is yours, pretending that scientists wouldn't take anyone else along to help pay for the ride.

 

[lozina]

What's funny is that we're getting this cooldown even despite the solar cycle being at maximum. I predict next few years as solar cycle winds down we will really feel the chill enough to shut these global scamming ppl up -- ok maybe not since they basically stopped thinking and have become fervent zealot believers about it. The Global Warming cult.

 

[unokitty]

From the Australian:
Stuck on a ship of (cold) fools

Professor Turney’s expedition was supposed to repeat scientific investigations made by Douglas Mawson a century ago and to compare then and now. Not unreasonably, it has been pointed out Mawson’s ship was never icebound. Sea ice has been steadily increasing, despite the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s gloomy forecasts. Had the expedition found the slightest evidence to confirm its expectation of melting ice caps and thin ice, a major new scare about the plight of the planet would have followed. As they are transferred to sanctuary aboard the icebreaker Aurora Australis, Professor Turney and his fellow evacuees must accept the embarrassing failure of their mission shows how uncertain the science of climate change really is. They cannot reasonably do otherwise.

Inconvenient the evidence is.

Uno

 

[Jaskalas]

What's funny is that we're getting this cooldown even despite the solar cycle being at maximum. I predict next few years as solar cycle winds down we will really feel the chill enough to shut these global scamming ppl up -- ok maybe not since they basically stopped thinking and have become fervent zealot believers about it. The Global Warming cult.

I do not believe the common 11-year solar cycle has such effect. Would you care to show us a link to someone claiming it does?

 

[Munky]

The scam is yours, pretending that scientists wouldn't take anyone else along to help pay for the ride.

Yeah, because that's usually how science get's funded... By going on a party boat full of guests.

 

[monovillage]

Yeah, because that's usually how science get's funded... By going on a party boat full of guests.

Don't forget he took his wife and kids along too.