Global warming or not. Something is happening where I live.

[techs]

When I moved to beautiful Vermont 12 years ago I made note of when "peak color" was. In 1995 it was on Oct. 12. Well now, 12 years later, there is virtually no color yet.
Over the last 12 years the color seems have been pushed back almost 2 weeks. Now I understand that its not scientific, but it sure seems like there has been a major change.

 

[yllus]

Climate != weather

 

[Genx87]

Well comrade call your representative and have him pass a law outlawing tree's not turning color by Oct 12th.

The travesty of those tree's not showing their colors by now needs to be addressed for the people!

I am sure the congress can figure out a pork barrel project to plow hundreds of millions into that can, if the tree's dont turn by Oct12th, to have low wage workers on the govt dole hand paint each leaf for you.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Well comrade call your representative and have him pass a law outlawing tree's not turning color by Oct 12th.

The travesty of those tree's not showing their colors by now needs to be addressed for the people!

I am sure the congress can figure out a pork barrel project to plow hundreds of millions into that can, if the tree's dont turn by Oct12th, to have low wage workers on the govt dole hand paint each leaf for you.

Maybe I can just go down to the Home Depot parking lot.....

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Genx87
Well comrade call your representative and have him pass a law outlawing tree's not turning color by Oct 12th.

The travesty of those tree's not showing their colors by now needs to be addressed for the people!

I am sure the congress can figure out a pork barrel project to plow hundreds of millions into that can, if the tree's dont turn by Oct12th, to have low wage workers on the govt dole hand paint each leaf for you.

Maybe I can just go down to the Home Depot parking lot.....

Get to it, it is terrible you havent been able to enjoy those colors yet!

 

[dyna]

Originally posted by: techs
When I moved to beautiful Vermont 12 years ago I made note of when "peak color" was. In 1995 it was on Oct. 12. Well now, 12 years later, there is virtually no color yet.
Over the last 12 years the color seems have been pushed back almost 2 weeks. Now I understand that its not scientific, but it sure seems like there has been a major change.

Maybe congress passed a law to move the "color" to other states so that everybody can share its beauty. Why should only people in Vermont see the "color?" Universal "color" for all.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: techs
When I moved to beautiful Vermont 12 years ago I made note of when "peak color" was. In 1995 it was on Oct. 12. Well now, 12 years later, there is virtually no color yet.
Over the last 12 years the color seems have been pushed back almost 2 weeks. Now I understand that its not scientific, but it sure seems like there has been a major change.

A small isolated effect of something. Now prove, without belief, the cause of this effect.

It would be fairly easy to say warmer temperatures are to blame. Okay then, now prove, without belief, the cause of this warming. Man-made warming is only a theory, unproven science with belief to fill in the missing parts. If it was proven and not a theory, or it there weren?t various alternative theories then we could be in agreement on something.

Moreover, who is the say the earth should never change? You are not god, you do not decide that the changing of the leaves should always stay constant. If there is one truth about all of history ? NOTHING STAYS THE SAME.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: techs
Now I understand that its not scientific, but it sure seems like there has been a major change.

Great, then we can close the thread down :0

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Get to it, it is terrible you havent been able to enjoy those colors yet!

Leaf-looking in the county where I live is a million dollar business with the economic impact of tourism exceeding expenditures of $160 million with an overall payroll exceeding $41 million.

Facts got your tongue, GenX ???

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Genx87

Get to it, it is terrible you havent been able to enjoy those colors yet!

Leaf-looking in the county where I live is a million dollar business with the economic impact of tourism exceeding expenditures of $160 million with an overall payroll exceeding $41 million.

Facts got your tongue, GenX ???

Then I think the govt should spend billions to make sure such a travesty never happens again!

 

[Lemon law]

Hey, blame it on Newt Gingrich and GWB. Vermont is a blue State on the political map, leaves don't turn blue, they turn red and a few other similar colors on the spectral energy
reflective curves.

Lets see the Republican revolution started in 11/1994, add 12 years and you get about now. And this is all just a Republican plot to move peak color to the November elections
so you will be reminded to vote red and not blue.

Can that many leaves all be wrong at the same time? Those republican are getting desperate now and will stoop to any level to force you to vote their way.

On a more serious note, small changes in the jet streams can change both temperature and moisture patterns. I don't think this peal color change has been reliably linked to GW.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

and Georgia is experiencing a drought we haven't seen in a hundred years... oops, that damn pesky cycle is rearing its head. Hurricanes are down in warm periods, so I guess its preferable to have colder temperatures and more hurricanes?

Cycles happen.

 

[schmedy]

Open your blinds.....I can see all kinds of color, if not maybe check the WCAX site....it is actually colder then normal avg temps right now.
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=5424371
http://www.1-800-vermont.com/

 

[TheSlamma]

"not"

 

[Corn]

Another stupid thread where the OP doesn't have a fricken clue about what the heck he's talking about. The weather has very little effect on when leaves change in color. Color change is dependent on Chlorophyll production--something which is dependent on the length of daylight, not temperature. Even though you say it might not be global warming, your implication is clear, "something is happening".......

Unless that "something" is that the amount of daylight is getting longer now than in the past 12 years at this time of the year where you live........

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Man-made warming is only a theory, unproven science with belief to fill in the missing parts. If it was proven and not a theory, or it there weren?t various alternative theories then we could be in agreement on something.

Gravity is a scientific theory. Maybe you should leap off a building since it hasn't been proven that objects in the universe exert a force of attraction proportional to their size and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. Or maybe you should stop using the same intellectually retarded, mind-numbingly stupid idea that a scientific theory has anything to do with proof.

As to the OP, isolated examples don't prove anything. This is not to say that isolated examples don't have merit; we base our climate predictions off isolated examples from around the globe (albeit many more of them than just one mountain). But you shouldn't point to an isolated example and assume it is indicative of global change.

 

[CyberDuck]

I think techs might well be right in that the differences might be visible. In my part of the world the glaciers are receding at increasing rates, and its no problem seeing it since it can be as much as 30 meters /year. The trees are also climbing furter up the mountains, (my brother pointed it out to me one a photo I had, he is 45 years, and remember that when he was young there was no trees at this level, now they are 50 meters higher up). The fish is also moving north as sea temperatures reach new records, and the few spots of permafrost known by scientsts is disappearing.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Where do you get the idea that climate is not variable and that the leaf colors should always change in the same date? Between precession and orbital variations the climate is bound to change. Historical climate data shows that the Earth goes through some pretty wild swings in very short periods as well. We've been spoiled for the last few thousand years in that the Earth's climate has been relatively stable compared to the earlier past. Now some people believe it should always stay the same.

It won't. In fact, we may be edging towards the onset of another Ice Age. We're about due. When you look outside and see a mile high wall of ice coming over that mountain, then you should be concerned.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: CyberDuck
I think techs might well be right in that the differences might be visible. In my part of the world the glaciers are receding at increasing rates, and its no problem seeing it since it can be as much as 30 meters /year. The trees are also climbing furter up the mountains, (my brother pointed it out to me one a photo I had, he is 45 years, and remember that when he was young there was no trees at this level, now they are 50 meters higher up). The fish is also moving north as sea temperatures reach new records, and the few spots of permafrost known by scientsts is disappearing.

That seems to be one of the anomalies of Global warming computer simulated climate models.
In the lower latitudes measured effects on the ground are far less than the models predict. Yet in the higher latitudes, the measured effects on the ground are far higher than those same models predict. With the Northern ice caps melting way faster than predicted.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Man-made warming is only a theory, unproven science with belief to fill in the missing parts. If it was proven and not a theory, or it there weren?t various alternative theories then we could be in agreement on something.

Gravity is a scientific theory. Maybe you should leap off a building...

Your idea, go try it.

As for gravity, we send people to the moon and have objects orbit our planet. If that isn't proof, what do you think is? You have ZERO reproducible planetary-scale results to prove global warming via man-made CO2 is anything but a theory.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Corn
Another stupid thread where the OP doesn't have a fricken clue about what the heck he's talking about. The weather has very little effect on when leaves change in color. Color change is dependent on Chlorophyll production--something which is dependent on the length of daylight, not temperature. Even though you say it might not be global warming, your implication is clear, "something is happening".......

Unless that "something" is that the amount of daylight is getting longer now than in the past 12 years at this time of the year where you live........

Well they did push daylight savings back a few weeks, maybe that has something to do with it......

 

[eits]

anyone else find it funny how the pro-bush, anti-iran, pro-war, anti-peace, "insurgents = terrorists" crowd is also against the notion that humans are contributing to global warming? it's honestly like there's NOTHING they can agree on. it's just so predictable what they will end up posting. it's always the same people.

i can understand disagreeing with things that have to do with national security and war, etc. etc., but wtf? how are you people going to ALSO argue about global warming? deforestation? overpopulation? record fossil fuel consumption? you really can't see any correlation? really?? even the scientific evidence... you really disagree with that stuff, too? is it because you don't understand how to read graphical data?

 

[rpanic]

I see a lot more dead trees in the mountians when I hike.

 

[ericlp]

Dead trees... Phhht! Now you gonna say GW has to do with dieing trees?


Anyway, yep... I haven't seen the professor weigh in, but I can imagine what he would say.... Sigh... This place is pathetic, it's like a broken record. Tho, thanks to the OP ... I think more people should take more observations in their environment. It's the same reaction you get from these freaks when the salmon come up the rivers 3-4 months late... Nothing to see here move along! Yes something is happening... But according to the faithful lets just ignore it god obviously planned it this way! "NOT!"

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: yllus
Climate != weather

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate
Climate (from Ancient Greek klima) is commonly defined as the weather averaged over a long period of time. The standard averaging period is 30 years but other periods may be used depending on the purpose. Climate also includes statistics other than the average, such as the magnitudes of day-to-day or year-to-year variations. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) glossary definition is: