Global Warming? Nope, Now it's Global Cooling

[fskimospy]

Just out of morbid curiosity, in Eskimospyworld where did those newspapers and journals got all those stories?

The same place newspapers continue to get bogus science stories today. I mean how many times a year do we see a story about some new trend, some new wonder material, etc, etc? They are frequently parroted all over the place. Does that mean that they represent the judgment of the scientific community? Maybe in werepossum world.

Two other scientists willing to co-author a paper with a scientist who for years has been blatantly dishonest on the subject - but obviously they are pure as the driven snow. And the fact that the East Anglia email leaks showed habit and pattern of global warming studies being steered only to those known to be on board the CAGW bandwagon, that's obviously irrelevant. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain . . .

Blatantly dishonest how? Be specific.

Let's all ponder how we'd each react to an investment company where only one of the three experts was Bernie Madoff. Evidently that enterprise would have more support than I had imagined.

Nice attempt to smear people by equating wikipedia edit wars with multiple felonies. Do you really think people will fall for that?

 

[palehorse]

I don't think you quite understand something about the US public: They are incredibly greedy, and ever increasingly, incredibly lazy. Do you seriously think they are going to give up paying $2 for a green plastic bucket at Walmart that they really don't need but it looks cool, so they can match the $2 red plastic bucket they bought last week? Do you think that people watching HGTV half their waking hours are going to actually go into HomeDepot/Lowes/Menards and willingly pay way more for a bunch of do dads and shit they don't really need so their house can have a cheap sorta match to what they just saw on TV? Endless examples like this infinitum.

No, they won't.

We already made almost everything here at one point. The US public decided they wanted Jap shit because it was cheaper. Then they decided they wanted Taiwan shit because it was cheaper. And now they're deciding they want China shit because it's cheaper. You are asking for a less patriotic more lazy populace to make the switch to more expensive USA made goods when there'll already be made in China good there on the shelf when their grandparents and parents, who were far more patriotic and less lazy already sold out decades ago?

That will never ever happen. Ever. And, because that will never happen, all these countries who give less than a F about pollution will keep on polluting the earth, regardless of what we do.

Good luck changing that...

Chuck

Are you telling me that a dozen new taxes couldn't or wouldn't fix that?!

Blasphemy! You should feel ashamed...

 

[monovillage]

Just out of morbid curiosity, in Eskimospyworld where did those newspapers and journals got all those stories?

Just a quick perusal of some of the links.

A new ice age is creeping over the Northern hemisphere says Prof. Hubert Lamb, Director of climate research at the University of East Anglia

The world could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age, a leading atmospheric scientist predicts. Dr. S. I. Rasool of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration

A group of prominent scientists from the National Academy of Scientists .............the panel reported that without a doubt, colder climate will come.

A group of scientists meeting under the auspices of the National Science Federation have come up with the warning that the world may be nearing the end of the present inter-glacial and the Arctic ice sheet has begun what may prove to be another relentless advance over northern North America and Europe.

 

[fskimospy]

Just a quick perusal of some of the links.

LOL.

'My links mentioned a scientist, therefore this reflects the scientific consensus on climate'.

 

[monovillage]

This is how it's done.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...climate-programs/story-fn9qr68y-1226716471498

Coalition takes axe to climate programs


PUBLIC servants are drawing up plans to collapse 33 climate change schemes run by seven departments and eight agencies into just three bodies run by two departments under a substantial rewrite of the administration of carbon abatement schemes under the

Start scaling back and cutting until you can get the proper legislation passed to end it.

 

[fskimospy]

This is how it's done.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...climate-programs/story-fn9qr68y-1226716471498

Start scaling back and cutting until you can get the proper legislation passed to end it.

I'm happy to hear you support Australia's new governing party, who has repeatedly and fervently spoken about how much they want to implement their new climate change abatement legislation.

 

[werepossum]

LOL.

'My links mentioned a scientist, therefore this reflects the scientific consensus on climate'.

Just for future reference, a "group of scientists" actually refers to more than "a scientist", not "a scientist who says things I don't want to hear." Similarly, a "group of prominent scientists" refers to multiple scientists who (in the author's estimation) are well-known and respected in their field(s). This is true even if the scientists don't conspire to force a consensus. You may of course choose to disregard their importance for this unforgivable lapse in scientific methodology, but they do retain their multiplicity.

 

[networkman]

"That "global cooling" alarm from the 70's was never accepted by more than a handful of people."

Uhh yeah, and notice when the satellite record begins in measuring the Arctic? 1979

http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html

1970 - Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age - Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 - Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 - New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 - Pollution's 2-way 'Freeze' On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 - Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 - Scientist predicts a new ice age by 21st century (Boston Globe, April 16, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 - Dirt Will Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 - Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 - Pollution Might Lead To Another Ice Age (Schenectady Gazette, March 22, 1971)
1971 - Pollution May Bring Ice Age - Scientist Rites Risk (The Windsor Star, March 23, 1971)
1971 - U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 - Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 - New Ice Age Coming - It's Already Getting Colder
(L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 - Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 - Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 - Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 - Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Cometh For Dicey Times (The Sun, May 29, 1972)
1972 - There's a new Ice Age coming! (The Windsor Star, September 9, 1972)
1972 - Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 - British Expert on Climate Change Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 - Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972&#8206
1972 - New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 - Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972&#8206
1972 - British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 - Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 - Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1972 - Geologist at Case Traces Long Winters - Sees Ice Age in 20 Years (Youngstown Vindicator, December 13, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age On Its Way, Scientist Says (Toledo Blade, December 13, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Predicted In About 200 Years (The Portsmouth Times, December 14, 1972)
1973 - The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 - 'Man-made Ice Age' Worries Scientists (The Free Lance-Star, June 22, 1973)
1973 - Fear Of Man-made Ice Age (Herald-Journal, June 28, 1973)
1973 - Possibility Of Ice Age Worries The Scientists (The Argus-Press, November 12, 1973)
1973 - Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 - Ominous Changes in the World's Weather (PDF) (Fortune, February 1974)
1974 - Atmospheric Dirt: Ice Age Coming?‎ (Pittsburgh Press, February 28, 1974)
1974 - New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 - Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 - 2 Scientists Think 'Little' Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 - Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 - Imminent Arrival of the Ice (Radio Times, November 14, 1974)
1974 - Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 - Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974&#8206
1974 - Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974&#8206
1974 - More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel, ‎December 5, 1974&#8206
1974 - Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 - Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 - Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 - B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 - Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975&#8206
1975 - Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator, ‎March 2, 1975&#8206
1975 - Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 - New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975&#8206
1975 - There's Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975&#8206
1975 - Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975&#8206
1975 - The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 - The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 - Cooling trend may signal coming of another Ice Age (The Sun, May 16, 1975)
1975 - Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 - Summer of A New Ice Age (The Age, June 5, 1975)
1975 - In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 - Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 - The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1976 - Ice Age Predicted (Reading Eagle, January 22, 1976)
1976 - Ice Age Predicted In Century (Bangor Daily News, January 22, 1976)
1976 - It's Going To Get Chilly About 125 Years From Now (Sarasota Herald-Tribune, January 23, 1976)
1976 - Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 - Blizzard - What Happens if it Doesn't Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 - The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1977 - The Ice Age Cometh... (New York Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 - The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 - Has The Ice Age Cometh Again? (Calgary Herald, February 1, 1977)
1977 - Space Mirrors Proposed To Prevent Crop Freezes (Bangor Daily News, February 7, 1977)
1977 - We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 - Ice! [Book] (Arnold Federbush, 1978)
1978 - The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 - Winter May Be Colder Than In Last Ice Age (The Deseret News, January 2, 1978)
1978 - Current Winters Seen Colder Than In Ice Age‎ (The Telegraph, January 3, 1978)
1978 - Winter Temperatures Colder Than Last Ice Age (Eugene Register-Guard, Eugene Register-Guard, January 3, 1978)
1978 - Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 - Winters Will Get Colder, 'we're Entering Little Ice Age' (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 - Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 - It's Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ‎January 17, 1978&#8206
1978 - Another Ice Age? (Kentucky New Era, February 12, 1978)
1978 - Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, ‎February 13, 1978&#8206
1978 - Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 - The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 - An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 - A Choice of Catastrophes - The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 - The New Ice Age Cometh (The Age, January 16, 1979)
1979 - Ice Age Building Up (Ellensburg Daily Record, June 5, 1979)
1979 - Large Glacial Buildup Could Mean Ice Age (Spokane Daily Chronicle, June 5, 1979)
1979 - Ice Age On Its Way (Lewiston Morning Tribune, June 7, 1979)
1979 - Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 - New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Thank you for collecting and posting that. Even were it to turn out that global cooling wasn't taking place back in the 70s, the fact that so many news media outlets believed it was, still doesn't deny what my teachers were telling us kids in first grade.

I am certainly open to considering climate change as a real event, but what I'm saying is that I'm more inclined to look at the growth patterns of thousand year old trees and multi-thousand year old ice samples, than I am at computer modeling.

 

[shadow9d9]

Just a quick perusal of some of the links.

You can't quickly peruse.

Peruse: to read (something), typically in a thorough or careful way.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You can't quickly peruse.

Peruse: to read (something), typically in a thorough or careful way.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peruse

pe·ruse

transitive verb

: to look at or read (something) in an informal or relaxed way
: to examine or read (something) in a very careful way

 

[networkman]

News media stories do not equal climate science. If you want to argue that a lot of newspapers published reports on global cooling and that a bunch of journalists wrote articles about it that's fine. We are talking about the state of climate science however, not the state of journalism.

Actually, we're not just talking about the state of climate science; we're also talking about the perception of the American public and the same scientist recording and reporting data tat the time.

The fact that so many journalists and news media outlets were printing and broadcasting articles reporting or hyping the Coming Ice Age doesn't mean that what they reporting IS the truth, but what was perceived to be truth, even if the truth now is believe (by some) to be just the opposite! It is very understandable that teachers and educators of the time would want to pursue and share the relevant information with their students at the time -- we see the same now.

Contrary to popular belief, perception is not necessarily reality.

 

[werepossum]

Just a quick perusal of some of the links.

In other words, the exact same organizations now pushing CAGW.

 

[desy]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm

62% of scientific papers predicted warming 10% predicted cooling in the 70's

esk's argument is valid

 

[xBiffx]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm

62% of scientific papers predicted warming 10% predicted cooling in the 70's

esk's argument is valid

Statistics about who came up with the right statistics.

Its like statsception or soemthing.

 

[monovillage]

I'm happy to hear you support Australia's new governing party, who has repeatedly and fervently spoken about how much they want to implement their new climate change abatement legislation.

I know, and the recall and ouster of anti-gun legislators in Colorado is making the anti-gun movement stronger and Obama getting bitchslapped by Putin enhances American foreign policy.

Spin spin spin on little boy.

 

[bshole]

Here is how global warming theory is harming us.

British authorities have been issuing some dire-sounding warnings. In February, the man then in charge of Ofgem, Britain's industry regulator, warned of an impending "near-crisis" of energy supply, calling the situation "horrendous" and likening it to being on a roller coaster headed "downhill—fast." Deputy Minister Nick Clegg was quoted saying that he was working to "keep the lights on." (See related quiz: "What You Don't Know About Electricity.")

In June, Ofgem released a capacity assessment warning that "risks to electricity security of supply over the next six winters have increased since our last report in October 2012." The report warned that Britain's ability to provide spare electric power capacity could plunge to between 2 to 5 percent, about half what it is now.

The main reason for the possible crunch: Britain is closing a number of aging coal-fired plants—as well as some oil and nuclear ones—to meet European Union environmental laws. One fifth of the existing power stations are scheduled to close over the next ten years. According to Reuters, the U.K. is set to lose more than 12 gigawatts of generating capacity in the next two years. Currently, the country operates 13 coal plants, but nearly half are slated to close by 2015, and all of them could be shut down by 2023, according to government figures.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/08/130829-united-kingdom-power-crunch/

 

[fskimospy]

I know, and the recall and ouster of anti-gun legislators in Colorado is making the anti-gun movement stronger and Obama getting bitchslapped by Putin enhances American foreign policy.

Spin spin spin on little boy.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say anymore. You appear to be arguing that the conservatives in Australia are repealing climate legislation. You continue to "forget" to mention that they are doing so in order to replace it with their own climate legislation.

spin... spin... spin! I understand why you resort to that kind of dishonesty as you wouldn't be able to make a case otherwise, but you can't expect other people to not point it out when you're lying.

 

[palehorse]

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say anymore. You appear to be arguing that the conservatives in Australia are repealing climate legislation. You continue to "forget" to mention that they are doing so in order to replace it with their own climate legislation.

spin... spin... spin! I understand why you resort to that kind of dishonesty as you wouldn't be able to make a case otherwise, but you can't expect other people to not point it out when you're lying.

And you keep leaving out the fact that their new replacement legislation eliminates increased taxes -- which happens to be the most objectionable aspect of all current climate-change legislation.

I think any reasonable person would consider that a fundamental difference.

 

[fskimospy]

And you keep leaving out the fact that their new replacement legislation eliminates increased taxes -- which happens to be the most objectionable aspect of all current climate-change legislation.

I think any reasonable person would consider that a fundamental difference.

And replaces it with direct spending which by every estimate I've seen is actually more expensive.

 

[DrPizza]

"That "global cooling" alarm from the 70's was never accepted by more than a handful of people." <snip>

Damn, you're right, I used the wrong word. The global cooling alarm wasn't accepted by more than a small handful of climate scientists. It's not hard to get news articles published in newspapers around the country. For a more recent example of what you demonstrated, did the science community ever really accept that vaccinations cause autism? (No.) But, like you just wasted your time doing here, you could also find hundreds of newspaper articles from the past decade that are supportive of that claim.

 

[monovillage]

I didn't waste my time. You made a false statement. I proved you wrong.

 

[palehorse]

And replaces it with direct spending which by every estimate I've seen is actually more expensive.

Then perhaps they'll do the right thing and simply shut down yet-another worthless entitlement program to pay for the direct spending on this one?

Sounds good to me!

 

[fskimospy]

Then perhaps they'll do the right thing and simply shut down yet-another worthless entitlement program to pay for the direct spending on this one?

Sounds good to me!

Of course they won't do that. Climate change is an enormous threat to Australia. Doing the right thing would be to intensify climate change mitigation efforts, which is what the Australian government will likely do going forward.

It's quite telling just how clearly unserious you are about this issue. They have one climate change mitigation program that you dont like because OMG TAXES. When it's mentioned that it's being replaced with something that lacks taxes but will be more expensive and less efficient, you then embrace a less efficient process and advocate for cuts from unrelated entitlement programs.

It's funny that you're willing to embrace government inefficiency so long as it cuts programs for poor people. Actually, replace funny with sad.

 

[Jaskalas]

In terms of reversing the industrial age, there is no efficient process. People enjoy electricity.

 

[xBiffx]

Of course they won't do that. Climate change is an enormous threat to Australia. Doing the right thing would be to intensify climate change mitigation efforts, which is what the Australian government will likely do going forward.

Sensationalize much? Even though it may be a threat (and no more a threat to them as any other nation), exactly what is Australia going to be able to do about it by taxing their own people? Even if man were the cause of the climate change, any mitigation efforts that Australia does is like pissing in the ocean.

Any honest person is going to look at that as wasteful spending since it will do absolutely nothing to directly benefit Australia. Now if they were contributing to a global effort, perhaps it might be a different story. But how in the hell is anything that Australia does for global climate change going to affect Australian climate.