Global warming caused by CFCs, not carbon dioxide, study says

[raildogg]

Global warming is a tiny tiny problem compared to the destruction man is inflicting on the earth. In the coming years, it will only get worse as China and India and rest of the developing countries "modernize." This is done, of course, in the name of increased education and sophistication.

 

[OverVolt]

Global warming is a tiny tiny problem compared to the destruction man is inflicting on the earth. In the coming years, it will only get worse as China and India and rest of the developing countries "modernize." This is done, of course, in the name of increased education and sophistication.

Agreed global warming fights just take away from the real issue.

Take helium as an example:

http://phys.org/news201853523.html

A renowned expert on helium says we are wasting our supplies of the inert gas helium and will run out within 25 to 30 years, which will have disastrous consequences for hospitals and industry.

Liquid helium is vital for its use in cooling the superconducting magnets in magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scanners. There is no substitute because no other substance has a lower boiling point. Helium is also vital in the manufacture of liquid crystal displays (LCDs) and fiber optics.

What would ATOT do without helium?

Professor Richardson warned the gas is not cheap because the supply is inexhaustible, but because of the Helium Privatisation Act passed in 1996 by the US Congress. The Act required the helium stores held underground near Amarillo in Texas to be sold off at a fixed rate by 2015 regardless of the market value, to pay off the original cost of the reserve. The Amarillo storage facility holds around half the Earth's stocks of helium: around a billion cubic meters of the gas. The US currently supplies around 80 percent of the world's helium supplies.

Richardson said it has taken 4.7 billion years for the Earth to accumulate our helium reserves, which we will have exhausted within about a hundred years of the US's National Helium Reserve having been established in 1925. The reserve is a collection of disused underground mines, pipes and vats extending over 300 km from north of Amarillo into Kansas. He warned that when helium is released to the atmosphere, in helium balloons for example, it is lost forever.

I bet you guys never knew.

 

[Paratus]

While he shows a neat correlation there's no physical mechanism that's related to causation

And its already been looked at and rejected

 

[chucky2]

Agree with posts 26 and 27. And would add...

...this is why we globally need to start seriously implementing population control, despite how "terrible" that will be to Lefties and Rights (for various reasons). It's why we don't need to let any mass number of people into the US. It's why we as humans and especially Western society are raping the Earth for what is short term fun at the expense of long term pain. Humans in 300+ years are going to look back on the last 100-150 years in abject horror at how bad we polluted our environment and squandered our resources. It's sickening...

 

[Thebobo]

Agree with posts 26 and 27. And would add...

...this is why we globally need to start seriously implementing population control, despite how "terrible" that will be to Lefties and Rights (for various reasons).

While I agree about population control why would it be terrible for lefties? Thats generally a liberal, save the planet, "leftist" platform, not the bible thumping "righties" who sing the words every sperm is sacred and want more and more growth, fuck the planet and all my neighbors as long as I get my $$!

Of course I am generalizing here...

 

[positivedoppler]

I sure hope Prof Lu is correct, it's hot these days.

 

[xBiffx]

Of course I am generalizing here...

 

[BlueWolf47]

I sure hope Prof Lu iscorrect, it's hot these days.

His theory has already been scrutinized and rejected.

 

[buckshot24]

Certainly seems worth further study to me, although the natural attributes of CFC's make this an unlikely culprit at first glance. Consensus never means unanimity, in fact that's why there's a different word for it.

The evidence for CO2 forced global warming remains overwhelming and we should be moving forward with maximum haste to combat it.

If CO2 is the factor in global temperature that the IPCC says it is then the proposed remedies do very very little in stopping the trend. The remedies aren't without their negative consequences either.

 

[Gillbot]

I thought it was cow farts that caused global warming?

 

[Paratus]

Agree with posts 26 and 27. And would add...

...this is why we globally need to start seriously implementing population control, despite how "terrible" that will be to Lefties and Rights (for various reasons). It's why we don't need to let any mass number of people into the US. It's why we as humans and especially Western society are raping the Earth for what is short term fun at the expense of long term pain. Humans in 300+ years are going to look back on the last 100-150 years in abject horror at how bad we polluted our environment and squandered our resources. It's sickening...

Modernization is the only ethical way to reduce population. Modern societies have birth rates at or below replacement.

 

[chucky2]

While I agree about population control why would it be terrible for lefties? Thats generally a liberal, save the planet, "leftist" platform, not the bible thumping "righties" who sing the words every sperm is sacred and want more and more growth, fuck the planet and all my neighbors as long as I get my $$!

Of course I am generalizing here...

Are you kidding me? If you eliminate unnecessary children you're eliminating large sections of the voter base. Dems purport themselves to be the party of the poor, and the poor have more children (that they don't need).

Modernization is the only ethical way to reduce population. Modern societies have birth rates at or below replacement.

I'm at the incentivize it point right now. But before we do that we need to lock down the borders and National ID everyone. We can't count on other countries following our lead. Better to lock ourselves down, use up others resources who are dumb enough to rape their lands for our $, and keep the US a good place to be rather than an overrun overpopulated shithole.

Chuck

 

[BlueWolf47]

I'm at the incentivize it point right now. But before we do that we need to lock down the borders and National ID everyone. We can't count on other countries following our lead. Better to lock ourselves down, use up others resources who are dumb enough to rape their lands for our $, and keep the US a good place to be rather than an overrun overpopulated shithole.

Chuck

As Paratus has correctly pointed out, population growth begins to stabalize as societies become more modernized. The world population will begin to stabalize around 2050 at about 10.1 billion or slightly higher. Eliminating people to combat climate change is ridiculous when we have most of the technology needed to transform our energy production. One of the biggest hurdles in utilizing wind and solar energy has been our current battery technology. But within 10 years or less we should have new battery technology that will revolutionize our energy storage abilities. Solar cells will become more efficient and cheaper to produce as demand for their use increases. In the long run, renewable energy will end up lowering energy costs giving consumers more purchasing power which benefits the economy.

 

[Paratus]

As Paratus has correctly pointed out, population growth begins to stabalize as societies become more modernized. The world population will begin to stabalize around 2050 at about 10.1 billion or slightly higher. Eliminating people to combat climate change is ridiculous when we have most of the technology needed to transform our energy production. One of the biggest hurdles in utilizing wind and solar energy has been our current battery technology. But within 10 years or less we should have new battery technology that will revolutionize our energy storage abilities. Solar cells will become more efficient and cheaper to produce as demand for their use increases. In the long run, renewable energy will end up lowering energy costs giving consumers more purchasing power which benefits the economy.

Increasing efficiency helps reduce emissions. Appropriate use of technology helps too. Renewables where it makes sense, nuclear where applicable and failing that natural gas preferably over coal and oil.

I hope you're right about battery technology because solar charged batteries are currently the bane of my existence.

 

[sao123]

His theory has already been scrutinized and rejected.

source?

 

[chucky2]

That's not going to help as we consume more than just energy. The world does not need 10B people.

 

[BlueWolf47]

source?

His claims are not new and he published a similiar study back in 2010 that didn't stand up to scientific scrutiny. CFCs contribute to climate change but their effect is much smaller "1/9" than the effects of CO2.



http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/...s-debunked-claims-about-cosmic-rays-and-cfcs/

 

[PokerGuy]

he published a similiar study back in 2010 that didn't stand up to scientific scrutiny. http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/...s-debunked-claims-about-cosmic-rays-and-cfcs/

Translation: the true believers didn't like the fact that the conclusions went counter to their political agenda and belief system.

 

[Paratus]

Translation: the true believers didn't like the fact that the conclusions went counter to their political agenda and belief system.

Nothing to contribute but some butt hurt?


It couldn't be that while he found an interesting correlation that after others researched it the facts didn't support his conclusion? Nope couldn't be that. Must have been all that Al Gore $$$$

 

[zsdersw]

 

[zsdersw]

Translation: the true believers didn't like the fact that the conclusions went counter to their political agenda and belief system.

Funny you never say that when it applies to right-wingers.

 

[DrPizza]

I've only got a moment, and don't have time to read through the thread & article thoroughly, but wanted to ask this question:

So, Doc Savage is agreeing that global warming *IS* primarily caused by the actions of man - just that he now thinks that the scientists got the method wrong?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So, Doc Savage is agreeing that global warming *IS* primarily caused by the actions of man - just that he now thinks that the scientists got the method wrong?

I don't know. Do you?

 

[Matt1970]

I thought it was cow farts that caused global warming?

They couldn't get the cows to pay a cap and trade tax so they gave up on it.

 

[BlueWolf47]

I've only got a moment, and don't have time to read through the thread & article thoroughly, but wanted to ask this question:

So, Doc Savage is agreeing that global warming *IS* primarily caused by the actions of man - just that he now thinks that the scientists got the method wrong?

Hes basically saying cfcs are the major contribution to global warming and we have already limited their output so we basically dont have to do anything about it anymore. Is it just me but does is predicted temperature trend absolutely ridiculous looking.