Global Leaders call for reform of Drug Policy

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A slew of big-name former politicians are endorsing a report that says the war on drugs is not working and that drug enforcement policy needs to fundamentally change. The Global Commission on Drug Policy will urge a "paradigm shift" that emphasizes public health over criminalization tomorrow at a meeting in New York City, The Guardian reports.

Those backing the report include former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo, former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, former U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz and former Fed Chair Paul Volcker. Former elected leaders of Greece, Brazil and Colombia have also signed on. See the full list of backers here.

"What we have here is the greatest collection thus far of ex-presidents and prime ministers calling very clearly for decriminalization and experiments with legal regulation," Danny Kushlick, spokesman for the drug policy center Transform, told the Guardian. "It will be a watershed moment."

But, faced with the list of "formers" backing the new recommendation, The Lookout couldn't help but wonder: Where are all the current office-holders who think the drug war has been a failure?

Tom Angell, spokesman for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, a group of former and current police officers against the criminalization of drugs, tells The Lookout he thinks sitting politicians will have to change their tune as American public opinion changes.

"I think as this debate continues to heat up and move forward you'll start to see more and more sitting elected officials endorsing fundamental reforms," he says. Even among LEAP's membership, most are retired law enforcement officers. Only a "handful" are active-duty cops, Angell says, in part because it's difficult for police officers to question the value of laws that they risk their lives to enforce every day.

Despite the political pitfalls of challenging drug policy, a few recent signs point to something of a bipartisan consensus forming on the issue. In April, an NAACP report that said states send too many young people to jail for non-violent drug offenses picked up surprising endorsements from former GOP Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist, the conservative activist who founded Americans for Tax Reform. The report said more than a quarter of the 2.3 million American prisoners are jailed for drug offenses, which bloats the system and eats up tax dollars. Christian talk show host Pat Robertson caused a stir in December when he endorsed on "The 700 Club" faith-based rehabilitation programs instead of jail time for drug use, and even appeared to support the legalization of marijuana. "I'm not exactly for the use of drugs, don't get me wrong," he said. "I just believe that criminalizing marijuana, criminalizing the possession of a few ounces of pot--that kind of thing--it's costing us a fortune and it's ruining young people."

Public opinion polls show support is growing among Americans to legalize marijuana, but a majority still think the drug should be illegal. Independents generally support its legalization in greater numbers than Democrats or Republicans.

The U.S. government has sent $1.4 billion in aid to Mexico and Central America to help fight the bloody war against the drug cartels. More than 35,000 people have died over the past four years in the drug-related violence. Drug cartels have turned to the use of narco-submarines and ultra-light aircraft to get their product to the U.S. market, in an effort to foil increased enforcement measures.

(Alleged members of Los Zetas drug cartel in February: Miguel Tovar/AP)

This is awesome! It seems the steam is really building up and as days go on, bigger and bigger things are happening in favor of drug policy reform.
 
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Nothing will come of this. Even suggesting decriminalization is political suicide. Fox News will somehow convince their viewers that this is an attack on America, even though the small government, pro-personal responsibility attitude their viewers claim to hold should have them strongly in favor of this.
 

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Former big shots

And they are not stating the the battle should cease.
It just needs to have the direction re-evaluated.
 

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Nothing will come of this. Even suggesting decriminalization is political suicide. Fox News will somehow convince their viewers that this is an attack on America, even though the small government, pro-personal responsibility attitude their viewers claim to hold should have them strongly in favor of this.
Fox News is such a piece of shit organization that they would argue the US should invade Germany if Germans suddenly decided to legalize marijuana.


One of my friends asked an interesting question. Why is cocaine illegal in Columbia? If they were allowed to build giant billion dollar cocaine factories, it would pump a lot of money into their economy....
 

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The best argument against legalization is to hang out with a bunch of pot heads.

BTW if there is all this movement on drugs then why is the Netherlands moving the opposite direction?
 

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The best argument against legalization is to hang out with a bunch of pot heads.

Ignorance.

BTW if there is all this movement on drugs then why is the Netherlands moving the opposite direction?

They aren't. They passed a law trying to stop tourist from buying weed, nothing to do with locals.
 

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This is awesome! It seems the steam is really building up and as days go on, bigger and bigger things are happening in favor of drug policy reform.

Thread title fail. There are not global leaders, they are former leaders and officials.

I don't have any problem with wanting to change the WoD and all that, but what's your ultimate goal, to figure out a new way to stop drugs, or just to be able to be a useless dopehead without facing consequences? I'm guessing the latter.
 

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I don't have any problem with wanting to change the WoD and all that, but what's your ultimate goal, to figure out a new way to stop drugs, or just to be able to be a useless dopehead without facing consequences? I'm guessing the latter.

So if someone is against the stupidity of wasting billions of dollars, and locking up non-violent "criminals" they must want to "be a useless dopehead"? And you're calling his thread title a fail? LOL.
 

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So if someone is against the stupidity of wasting billions of dollars, and locking up non-violent "criminals" they must want to "be a useless dopehead"? And you're calling his thread title a fail? LOL.

I asked a question and provided two different possible motives. You're assuming one. I already indicated I'm in favor of changes to the WoD, but only in the sense of making it more effective and less wasteful. I'm not interested in hearing the dopeheads whine about legalization for them to use more dope.
 

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I asked a question and provided two different possible motives. You're assuming one.

No, YOU assumed one to reflect your bias.

what's your ultimate goal, to figure out a new way to stop drugs, or just to be able to be a useless dopehead without facing consequences? I'm guessing the latter.
 

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The best argument against legalization is to hang out with a bunch of pot heads.

BTW if there is all this movement on drugs then why is the Netherlands moving the opposite direction?

I asked a question and provided two different possible motives. You're assuming one. I already indicated I'm in favor of changes to the WoD, but only in the sense of making it more effective and less wasteful. I'm not interested in hearing the dopeheads whine about legalization for them to use more dope.
Funny how ultra conservatives claim all liberals want to take away individual liberties when one city votes to make it illegal to put toys in Happy Meals. Yet those same conservatives think the government should be able to dictate what chemicals someone can put into their own body.
 

TechBoyJK

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Thread title fail. There are not global leaders, they are former leaders and officials.

I don't have any problem with wanting to change the WoD and all that, but what's your ultimate goal, to figure out a new way to stop drugs, or just to be able to be a useless dopehead without facing consequences? I'm guessing the latter.

Seriously? Thanks bro!
 

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Nothing will come of this. Even suggesting decriminalization is political suicide. Fox News will somehow convince their viewers that this is an attack on America, even though the small government, pro-personal responsibility attitude their viewers claim to hold should have them strongly in favor of this.

:rolleyes:

I mean really.

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I asked a question and provided two different possible motives. You're assuming one. I already indicated I'm in favor of changes to the WoD, but only in the sense of making it more effective and less wasteful. I'm not interested in hearing the dopeheads whine about legalization for them to use more dope.

Why do you think drugs should be illegal?
 

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Hard drugs should be legal with the following regulations:
-You should have to consume them in a regulated drug den;
-You lose all public health benefits (sorry but you don't get to destroy your body and then ask for diabetes treatment)
-At a certain point you have to show proof of birth control

I even say we provide people with as much drugs as they need until they overdose. Might as well let them end their lives sooner rather than waste a lot of tax money stringing them along.
 

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Hard drugs should be legal with the following regulations:
-You should have to consume them in a regulated drug den;
-You lose all public health benefits (sorry but you don't get to destroy your body and then ask for diabetes treatment)
-At a certain point you have to show proof of birth control

So do you lose public health benefits if you drink soda, and eat cheeseburgers every meal?(Sorry, but you don't get to destroy your body and then ask for diabetes treatment)

I even say we provide people with as much drugs as they need until they overdose. Might as well let them end their lives sooner rather than waste a lot of tax money stringing them along.

Your parents should have aborted you.
 

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So do you lose public health benefits if you drink soda, and eat cheeseburgers every meal?(Sorry, but you don't get to destroy your body and then ask for diabetes treatment)

Your parents should have aborted you.

Try not to be so emotional. Take a deep breath and try to come up with arguments. I'm not really persuaded by or interested in your personal attacks.

I am in favor of revoking public health benefits for people who give themselves diabetes going forward. (I think the older generates were not adequately warned but these days you have to know that you're risking diabetes with poor eating habits.) Drinking sodas and eating cheeseburgers doesn't in and of itself give you diabetes so that wouldn't trigger a revocation of health benefits.
 

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Drinking sodas and eating cheeseburgers doesn't in and of itself give you diabetes so that wouldn't trigger a revocation of health benefits.

Does shooting heroin give you diabetes? How about smoking pot?, what about cocaine, if you do a couple rails in college are you going to get diabetes? Whoa. Should people that work in coal mines be able to get health care? I mean they know it's not healthy but did it anyway.
 

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Does shooting heroin give you diabetes? How about smoking pot?, waht about cocaine, if you do a couple rails in college are you going to get diabetes? Whoa

Adult onset diabetes is just an example of a choice that other people shouldn't have to pay for. I'm not saying everything should be tied to diabetes, so your post doesn't really make sense. Hard drugs are bad for your health. If you intentionally damage your own health other people shouldn't have to pay for your health care. (And I doubt many private insurers would want to gamble on you either.)

What about pot? Did you read the part where I was talking about "hard drugs?"
 

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Adult onset diabetes is just an example of a choice that other people shouldn't have to pay for. I'm not saying everything should be tied to diabetes, so your post doesn't really make sense. Hard drugs are bad for your health. If you intentionally damage your own health other people shouldn't have to pay for your health care. (And I doubt many private insurers would want to gamble on you either.)

What about pot? Did you read the part where I was talking about "hard drugs?"
Is cocaine a 'hard drug'?
 

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Adult onset diabetes is just an example of a choice that other people shouldn't have to pay for. I'm not saying everything should be tied to diabetes, so your post doesn't really make sense.

Sure it does, you say people shouldn't have to pay for other people's bad choices, I agree. Drugs are just one of MANY bad choices and risk behaviors that humans partake in, so if you're going to say you can get health care if you do drugs, than you should be prepared to say you can't get health care if you bungee jump, or ride a motorcycle, or ...any number of other things we do that are bad for us.

What about pot? Did you read the part where I was talking about "hard drugs?"
Do they? I know meth does, but some "hard drugs", cocaine and heroin, the damaging aspects are usually a by product of illegal manufacture, additives, and cuts, their pure clean forms are relatively harmless, or at least not much more damaging than many other drugs and substances we use regularly.
 

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Do they? I know meth does, but some "hard drugs", cocaine and heroin, the damaging aspects are usually a by product of illegal manufacture, additives, and cuts, their pure clean forms are relatively harmless, or at least not much more damaging than many other drugs and substances we use regularly.

When you see a medical specialist, how often do they ask you, "have you been bungie jumping?" And how often do you they ask you, "do you smoke or do drugs?" It's because medical science recognizes that hard drugs (and heck even soft drugs) are inherently bad for your health whereas bungee jumping is only bad for your health if there's an accident.

But if you're one of those people that wants to to argue that hard drugs aren't necessarily bad for you we can stop right here. To me you're in the same category as birthers or 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
 

xj0hnx

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But if you're one of those people that wants to to argue that hard drugs aren't necessarily bad for you we can stop right here. To me you're in the same category as birthers or 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

That fine, you're in the same category as the uneducated, right wing extremist, they would be right next to the birthers and 9/11 Truthers.