Given the opportunity, should the democrats expand the Supreme Court?

[Sunburn74]

Honestly if the GOP pushes this thing through, when the dems take the senate they need to immediately make DC and puerto rico states so that the GOP electoral and senate advantage withers away. Pushing this confirmation through is absolutely an action that requires a drastic response.

 

[cytg111]

Thats lightweight, democrats should prosecute and convict a series of senators for treason(I know it doesnt work like that, but orchestrate the proceedings non the less), take Fox and sinclar off the air, send Murdochs to jail.. same with Stone Manafort Flynn etc. Make a copy of Novichok and feed it to Assange in gitmo, let the world wait watch. Outlaw the Republican Party. NRA. Make the new political system one of AOC block vs. Biden block ie. social left vs. center right instead of the American Taliban that is the GOP vs. everyone else.
Why expand the court? Just yank kavanaugh out of there, slap him around, and put him on public trial for rape. And of course any hack Trump might appoint right now. The Trumps? I dont know but make replicas of them and place them on display on lady justices scale. Round everyone up who has ever put on a maga hat and put them in psych camps for reeducation.

KIDDING AND JOKING
Ffs you so serious.

 

[HomerJS]

From what I can see the process to add states will take years and I'm sure Republicans will challenge in court. With all the Trump judges it will get tied up for years.

Add 2 SCOTUS judges immediately. Expand the federal courts. All legal. Create laws that require the Senate to have a vote on future judges so this shit can be de-escalated.

Since it will take years start process to make DC and PR states. It has to be done while Dems still have control of Congress. If GOP takes a branch they will halt the proceedings.

Finally term limits. There's no reason any judge should be on the bench for life. 18 years was floated as a reasonable number.

If Trump doesn't get a judge through then I would reconsider my position. See righties, facts on the ground.

 

[fskimospy]

From what I can see the process to add states will take years and I'm sure Republicans will challenge in court. With all the Trump judges it will get tied up for years.

Add 2 SCOTUS judges immediately. Expand the federal courts. All legal. Create laws that require the Senate to have a vote on future judges so this shit can be de-escalated.

Since it will take years start process to make DC and PR states. It has to be done while Dems still have control of Congress. If GOP takes a branch they will halt the proceedings.

Finally term limits. There's no reason any judge should be on the bench for life. 18 years was floated as a reasonable number.

If Trump doesn't get a judge through then I would reconsider my position. See righties, facts on the ground.

The authority to make new states is the same absolute authority that allows Congress to set the number of justices. If Congress wanted to it could make DC a state in a single day.

Both the addition of justices and statehood will be challenged in court. Not because either has any legal merit, but because at this point legal merit doesn’t mean much. I would expect at least one court to rule both unconstitutional despite the text of the Constitution being absolutely clear.

 

[K1052]

From what I can see the process to add states will take years and I'm sure Republicans will challenge in court. With all the Trump judges it will get tied up for years.

Add 2 SCOTUS judges immediately. Expand the federal courts. All legal. Create laws that require the Senate to have a vote on future judges so this shit can be de-escalated.

Since it will take years start process to make DC and PR states. It has to be done while Dems still have control of Congress. If GOP takes a branch they will halt the proceedings.

Finally term limits. There's no reason any judge should be on the bench for life. 18 years was floated as a reasonable number.

If Trump doesn't get a judge through then I would reconsider my position. See righties, facts on the ground.

This is a month's worth of work at most for a determined legislature and executive. Things just take a long time now because the legislature is dysfunctional but you largely solve that if the filibuster is in the Senate trash can.

 

[Viper1j]

With the passing of RGB, there is, of course, a new Supreme Court seat open. Obviously last time there was a seat open during an election year the republicans argued that there shouldn’t even be a hearing for a nomination.

Of course we all know that was bull shit and now McConnell has already said he will give Trump’s nomination a hearing.

So if that happens does that mean it’s open season on the Supreme Court and the Dems, if they get the senate, can pretty much do what they want including expanding the court?

Yes it's pretty much a no-brainer that there will be 13 justices.

It's going to happen.

And the Trumpanzees can shit themselves crying about it.

 

[nOOky]

Expanding the high court would be going down a rabbit hole. We would expand, then they would expand, and soon we'd have as many high court justices as we have members of congress. And WHO wants THAT ????
No, what is needed are term limits for justices.
Either that, or do like they do for state court justices where every justice comes up for a retention vote. Have US supreme court justices come up for retention vote, oh say every 4 or 8 years during a national presidential election cycle, and let the people decide. And should any justice be rejected by the voters, the "president elect" would be allowed to fill and replace justices who the voters rejected.

Seriously, there must be better alternatives than JUSTICES FOR LIFE. In fact, term limits should be also be applied to EVERY elected politician both house and senate. We already have term limits for our presidents to avoid gaining too much power, well.... with politicians like Mitch McConnell and Chuck Grassley we need term limits there too because too many people like McConnell and Grassley already have an obvious power problem. Considering what McConnell pulled on Obama but refuses to apply to Trump, it is clear that McConnell has more power than a president. Term limits up and down the line IS THE ONLY ANSWER. That includes term limits on high court justices as well. Term limits up and down the line WOULD solve ALL of the problems with power hungry politicians. Power hungry politicians "are" the main threat to our democracy.

I don't know if term limits would be any better. The problem as I see it is that the party in power has the say, and the process should not be political. Look at the tremendous power Mitch and Nancy have right now for example. This is wrong, and not a way to accomplish anything. Mitch isn't even bringing any bills up for a vote. Perhaps we need a system where each party gets the same number of votes, and the minority party excludes junior members if they are in the majority to reach parity in numbers? That way candidates for the SCOTUS will more or less have to appeal to both political parties, or another choice will have to be presented. Just a rambling thought as I start my morning coffee, which was grown in Africa

 

[fskimospy]

I would be interested to hear a logically coherent argument against adding justices if the Republicans confirm another justice before the next president is inaugurated.

As far as I can tell the old argument was that democratic norms meant you don’t confirm a new justice right before the election. Now that’s been exposed as a lie.

So in the end the argument seems to be that Republicans won the election so they get to use whatever constitutional powers their offices give them. That’s fine! But under that logic wouldn’t it be equally fine for the Democrats to expand the court?

 

[Moonbeam]

I would be interested to hear a logically coherent argument against adding justices if the Republicans confirm another justice before the next president is inaugurated.

As far as I can tell the old argument was that democratic norms meant you don’t confirm a new justice right before the election. Now that’s been exposed as a lie.

So in the end the argument seems to be that Republicans won the election so they get to use whatever constitutional powers their offices give them. That’s fine! But under that logic wouldn’t it be equally fine for the Democrats to expand the court?

What the Republicans are doing is anything and everything they have available to pack the courts with conservatives and prevent liberals from doing the same. They are true believers and so can justify their corrupt behavior in the name of a higher and godly cause. Because the only way to reciprocate and right the scales of justice without resort to divine claims of righteousness is to pack the court with liberals if the opportunity becomes available that is exactly what the Republicans gave permission for the Democrats to do. Two wrongs don't make a right but they even the score when there is no other choice. If you justify your war on others they will justify their war on you and they should. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Nowhere on earth can you deny a President his legal choice to appoint a SC Justice on the fabrication it is too close to an election and then do it when you have that chance. It is righteousness that can turn people into scum and that is what Republicans have become. Our forefathers would have hauled them out and shot them.

 

[ch33zw1z]

^^GOP think they're saving us from ourselves by giving piles of money to prove with scrooge mcduck piles of money, and attacking anyone who's different from them.

 

[fskimospy]

What the Republicans are doing is anything and everything they have available to pack the courts with conservatives and prevent liberals from doing the same. They are true believers and so can justify their corrupt behavior in the name of a higher and godly cause. Because the only way to reciprocate and right the scales of justice without resort to divine claims of righteousness is to pack the court with liberals if the opportunity becomes available that is exactly what the Republicans gave permission for the Democrats to do. Two wrongs don't make a right but they even the score when there is no other choice. If you justify your war on others they will justify their war on you and they should. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Nowhere on earth can you deny a President his legal choice to appoint a SC Justice on the fabrication it is too close to an election and then do it when you have that chance. It is righteousness that can turn people into scum and that is what Republicans have become. Our forefathers would have hauled them out and shot them.

I agree that the only thing left to do is fight back with the same tactics Republicans have been using for the last 15 years. It sucks, because there’s a good chance it tears the country apart. The only problem is the only other answer is surrender.

 

[Sunburn74]

The best thing to do is to pack the court, then pass a law that clearly defines the rules for confirmation of SCOTUS judges by the senate. If the law is passed by both houses and signed, then a senate cannot unilaterally just do crazy things like the GOP did whilst the democrats can maintain an air of decency and claim they took the high road. At the very least it'd make it harder for a guy like mcconnell to come around and do what he did because it'd require the house, senate, and presidency to all act in concert to undo that law which is not particularly easy to collate.

 

[fskimospy]

The best thing to do is to pack the court, then pass a law that clearly defines the rules for confirmation of SCOTUS judges by the senate. If the law is passed by both houses and signed, then a senate cannot unilaterally just do crazy things like the GOP did whilst the democrats can maintain an air of decency and claim they took the high road. At the very least it'd make it harder for a guy like mcconnell to come around and do what he did because it'd require the house, senate, and presidency to all act in concert to undo that law which is not particularly easy to collate.

Unfortunately no federal law can affect how either chamber of Congress does its business. Doesn’t matter if both houses pass it unanimously and the president signs it. As soon as a future senate decides not to abide by it they can.

 

[Paratus]

Unfortunately no federal law can affect how either chamber of Congress does its business. Doesn’t matter if both houses pass it unanimously and the president signs it. As soon as a future senate decides not to abide by it they can.

Sounds like only an amendment would work unfortunately. What I would like to see is a requirement that the Senate provides it’s advice and consent with X days and if they choose to withhold it the justice is given the appointment after X days.

 

[Jhhnn]

Unfortunately no federal law can affect how either chamber of Congress does its business. Doesn’t matter if both houses pass it unanimously and the president signs it. As soon as a future senate decides not to abide by it they can.

OTOH, an expanded SCOTUS can only be reduced in size by changing the law to do so via attrition. The Senate can refuse to fill vacancies but can't change the number on their own. So... Make the number 13 & turn the tables on the GOP for a generation.

 

[PlanetJosh]

The House whether controlled by the Dems or Repubs can be pretty effective at messing up the financial legislation of their opponents. So maybe the Dems can somehow make things economically atrocious for the Repubs as a deterrent to early appointment to the Scotus. Or an attempt to deter. I'm just grasping here.

 

[Jhhnn]

The House whether controlled by the Dems or Repubs can be pretty effective at messing up the financial legislation of their opponents. So maybe the Dems can somehow make things economically atrocious for the Repubs as a deterrent to early appointment to the Scotus. Or an attempt to deter. I'm just grasping here.

Take the govt hostage & threaten to shoot it like the GOP has done so many times? I already know their answer.

 

[trenchfoot]

Besides adding seats to the Supreme Court to unfuck what McConnell and Trump did to it, there's lots and lots of other wrongs to make right if the Dems take the Senate and keep the House. Making a clean sweep by taking the presidency will be a huge bonus that greases the skids toward cleaning up the corrupted mess Trump and McConnell are personally responsible for.

There's just so much top to bottom corruption that Trump and the Repubs created, if the Dems by some miracle take the legislative and executive branches and avoid fighting among themselves for a change, it would still take Biden two terms in office to demolish the exclusive Country Club the Repubs built for themselves up there on the Hill.

 

[Herr Kutz]

First two year Agenda should be
Day 1 Pass a new Covid relief bill. Then:
1. State of Puerto Rico
2. State of Washington DC
3. State of American Samoa
4. Expansion of the entire federal judiciary and not just the Supreme Court. The federal judiciary barley functions because it doesn’t have enough judges or justices.
5. Universal healthcare
6. Student Loan foregiveness
7. Huge funding allocations to education at all levels
8. Grants to business working in environmentally sustainable businesses
9. Legalization of marijauna
10. Decriminalization of most other drugs, treatment over jail/fine.
11. Increase focus on mental health and spending

You forgot the abolishment of private property and making it a criminal offense to earn a profit, comrade.

 

[IronWing]

You forgot the abolishment of private property and making it a criminal offense to earn a profit, comrade.

Well… okay.

 

[HomerJS]

I don't know if term limits would be any better. The problem as I see it is that the party in power has the say, and the process should not be political. Look at the tremendous power Mitch and Nancy have right now for example. This is wrong, and not a way to accomplish anything. Mitch isn't even bringing any bills up for a vote. Perhaps we need a system where each party gets the same number of votes, and the minority party excludes junior members if they are in the majority to reach parity in numbers? That way candidates for the SCOTUS will more or less have to appeal to both political parties, or another choice will have to be presented. Just a rambling thought as I start my morning coffee, which was grown in Africa

Term limits could have an effect. Let's say Dems enact 18 year term limit for federal and SCOTUS. Have it take effect immediately. Every judge serving >18 years, OUT! President replaces them all. Lets say GOP takes over in 2024. If you remove the limit everyone stays. They can't make limit lower because that won't purge Biden's judges.

 

[Fenixgoon]

You forgot the abolishment of private property and making it a criminal offense to earn a profit, comrade.

So which of those items are incompatible with companies being profitable and people owning private property, exactly?

 

[PlanetJosh]

Look at this, can you believe it? This could complicate things for the Republicans as the article says. It came out only a few hours ago. Things now looking up for delaying the Scotus appointment?

Murkowski Becomes 2nd Republican to Oppose Supreme Court Vote Before Election (Published 2020)

The announcement by the senator from Alaska potentially complicates efforts to quickly fill the vacancy left by the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

www.nytimes.com

This helps for before Nov 3, but after that if Biden wins..another bridge to cross.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well… okay.

He hates the straw people.

 

[HomerJS]

Look at this, can you believe it? This could complicate things for the Republicans as the article says. It came out only a few hours ago. Things now looking up for delaying the Scotus appointment?

Murkowski Becomes 2nd Republican to Oppose Supreme Court Vote Before Election (Published 2020)

The announcement by the senator from Alaska potentially complicates efforts to quickly fill the vacancy left by the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

www.nytimes.com

Not enough but a positive