Given the choice of 3 smaller SUV's

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Toyota RAV4 6cyl
Honda CR-V EX Limited
Subaru Forester X LL Bean edition?
I have an 04 Forester, and I love it. It's just too expensive to drive it. I have a 400mile weekly commute plus any errands. Of course I have the XT (Turbo), and it 'requires' premium gas, so I'm getting bent over that way.
So given the 3, which would you choose, I'm looking to keep it around 28k which can get alot of car on any one of those...
For the record, my car gets 20mpg highway, and the 3 I'm looking at get 25 - 28mpg, and don't use premium.
 

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Rav-4 w/ V6. It will run circles around the other two while providing very similar economy. Plus it's bigger than the others providing more flexible people & cargo space.

 

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my dad just bought a rav, and his rationale was this: if youre looking for more option packages, the honda has an advantage. if you want the best performance, the rav has the advantage. the rest of it comes down to style and whatnot, and imo the CR-V looks awful. he liked them both equally, but it came down to the rav's 6cyl engine. it's a great engine with plenty of power. until the cr-v gets a bigger/more powerful engine, my assessment agrees with my dad's: the rav4 wins.

EDIT: vi_edit has a point about the cargo options, too.
 
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I was looking at the options and it looked like Subaru had the most options for the buck. A massive moonroof is more or less standard, luggage rack on top (that a Rocky Mount bike rack fits perfectly on), and many others. I tried running down a comparision sheet, but I got a headache, you can only car compare for so long before the migraine begins. I was planning on doing this around presidents day (best sales, from what I understand)
 

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
I was looking at the options and it looked like Subaru had the most options for the buck. A massive moonroof is more or less standard, luggage rack on top (that a Rocky Mount bike rack fits perfectly on), and many others. I tried running down a comparision sheet, but I got a headache, you can only car compare for so long before the migraine begins. I was planning on doing this around presidents day (best sales, from what I understand)

The Soobie definitely has it's benefits. It has one of the most proven, efficient, and functional AWD systems in the industry. They also are very safe and offer a decent amount of options on their base models.

But the downfall is that they are very small vehicles. The backseats are very cramped and do not have the sliding seats like the Rav/CR-V to make for more flexible seating/cargo arrangements. The seating positions in the Forester are also a little cramped for many drivers.

I'm only 6' and with how I like to position my seat, I have my knees banging into the steering wheel on most Subaru models.
 

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I actually like the new CR-V, but hate the fact that it doesn't offer a V6 model like the RAV4, which only drops 1-2 mpg for the AWD & V6 options.
Overall, they are all pretty safe, but I personally don't like the Forester as it is much more car-like looks.
On a related note, the Honda is the best-selling small SUV on the market right now.
 

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You do realize that going from 20 to 25 mpg is only going to save you 4 gallons over 400 miles? Even accounting for premium gas, that's about $16/week.
So financially, you are probably better off keeping your current ride.

 
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I was going to try to give a long drawn out explination of how much I'd be saving, but it would be much more than you're suggesting.
I drive 400 miles a week to work, not including errands or vacations. So at that, 400 * 52 = 20,800 miles. Let's round that to 21000 to be fair.
21,000/20 mpg = 1050 gal's of gas
21,000/28mpg = 750 gal's of gas

1050 gal @ 3.00 = 3150.00
750 gal @ 2.70 = 2025.00

So I'd be saving over 1000.00 a year, which is well worth it in my opinion. Plus the car is a little more eco friendly, and that's a plus too.
 

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Death!:p

Why are you using an SUV to commute? Keep your current ride for hauling stuff, and get an old Civic or something for the actual commute.
 
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Originally posted by: jagec
Death!:p

Why are you using an SUV to commute? Keep your current ride for hauling stuff, and get an old Civic or something for the actual commute.

Because owning 3 cars would be brutal, the insurance alone, plus we have no place to house a 3rd car. I did think about that, but nixed it. I need something to get me back and forth to work, but also want to be able to put my bike/skis/firewood, etc in it.
 

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I recently was deciding between these three cars.

Here is what my wife and I decided:

CR-V: probably the nicest interior, with a variety of nice-looking and feeling materials. Nicely laid out, too. Plenty of features. Did not like tumble-forward instead of fold flat seats, as this limits the length of items that fit into the cargo area. Decent handling but still felt the most floaty of the three. Slow. Pricing is good on paper but dealerships were not giving much (if any) discount. During my wife's portion of the test drive, she felt like the car was shaking when she stepped on it to get on the freeway. Somewhat noisy on the freeway.

RAV4: more plasticky interior than the CR-V. Gee-whiz features like Bluetooth available. Options are expensive, though. Seemed like the roomiest of the three overall with the most flexible cargo area. Also seemed like the quietest overall. The 4-cyl felt faster than the CR-V. V6 is very fast and efficient but they start to get spendy, and dealerships were much less willing to deal than the V6 than the 4-banger. It can tow the most when properly equipped. Don't bother with the 3rd row seat. Did not care for the side-swinging rear door that opens from the "wrong" side.

Forester: older design which is both good and bad in some ways. Very agile and carlike (since it's effectively an Impreza underneath), probably the best handling of the three. 4-cyl not particularly fast but still felt faster than the CR-V. Turbo 4 is very fast, close to the V6 RAV4 but with a totally different feel (requires premium fuel, though). Interior OK, functional with decent materials. Lots of standard features on most trim levels, love the monster sunroof. AWD system is excellent. Lowest seating position of the three but by far the best visibility due to airy greenhouse. Tightest rear seat. Smallish cargo area but boxiness/height is a plus. Best pricing by far considering relatively slow sales - dealerships will bargain.

It's hard to go wrong with these three. All of them are very reliable, very safe, and very practical. Consumer Reports has them ranked as their top 3 small SUVs.

If price was no object I probably would have gotten the V6 RAV4. It was the most refined of the three and there are really no major downsides other than the rear door. However, I could barely get the dealerships to budge from MSRP when I was looking. The CR-V was a little better, but not much. They are selling both of those vehicles like hotcakes. What I ended up getting was a Forester Sports XT. I got the last '07 Sports on the lot for $4500 under MSRP, which made the car WAY cheaper than a similarly-equipped Toyota or Honda. Plus, it fits in my garage. :p I love the Forester so far. Here's a pic, need to get some better ones though.
 
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The Forester is a great car, totally reliable, I have the 04 XT, and it's got zip when it needs it, just get bent over for premium fuel and 20mpg. Those are the 2 things I am trying to get away from. You're right, you probably can't lose picking one of those three, it's gonna be feel, and fit for me. I drove the RAV4 V6 yesterday and it's fast, but felt wierd, not bad, but wierd. Maybe because it rides higher than the Forester. I'm planning on taking the CRV for a drive sometime soon then the LL Bean Forester. Shooting for an 07 model around prez day next year so I should be able to snag a good deal (I hope). Thanks again for all the input.
 

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I'd go witht he CRV. I think it looks better than the other 2 interior and exterior. Is the Veracruz out of this price range? If not, I'd take that.

Also, maybe you should look into a Santa Fe.
 
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I dont think the Santa Fe or Veracruz has the reliability of the 3, not sure about mpg. But I think the Santa Fe doesn't have the same either. Never heard of the Veracruz.
 

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
I dont think the Santa Fe or Veracruz has the reliability of the 3, not sure about mpg. But I think the Santa Fe doesn't have the same either. Never heard of the Veracruz.

I would think Hyundai is just as reliable as the other three these days.
 

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I just test drove the GMC Acadia. Nice car like ride, V6, 3rd row with second row captains for easy pass through. 3rd row folds easily for more room. Still not big enough for my brood but thats another thread.
 

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
I dont think the Santa Fe or Veracruz has the reliability of the 3, not sure about mpg. But I think the Santa Fe doesn't have the same either. Never heard of the Veracruz.

I would think Hyundai is just as reliable as the other three these days.
The Santa Fe has become very reliable over the last few years. It's pretty close if not equivalent to the Japanese models. The Veracruz is too new to make the call on that but it's bigger than what he's looking for anyway.

Sheik, I know what you mean about premium fuel. However, when I thought about it, premium fuel only costs you $100 per 10,000 miles (assuming a 20 cent price premium) which is about a year of driving for me. I decided the added power was well worth this expense after doing all my test driving - the RAV4 V6 and the Forester XT were the two that never felt strained when merging or passing. 20 mpg isn't half bad, most tests put the CR-V and RAV4 at 21-23 mpg which is tops in the class (along with the very compact Jeep Compass @ ~22 and the Saturn Vue Hybrid @ ~24 mpg). Plus, the extra fuel costs of the Forester were still nowhere near as much as the higher purchase price of the RAV4.
 

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
I was going to try to give a long drawn out explination of how much I'd be saving, but it would be much more than you're suggesting.
I drive 400 miles a week to work, not including errands or vacations. So at that, 400 * 52 = 20,800 miles. Let's round that to 21000 to be fair.
21,000/20 mpg = 1050 gal's of gas
21,000/28mpg = 750 gal's of gas

1050 gal @ 3.00 = 3150.00
750 gal @ 2.70 = 2025.00

So I'd be saving over 1000.00 a year, which is well worth it in my opinion. Plus the car is a little more eco friendly, and that's a plus too.

You are assuming you are going to get EPA ratings on the new car when you aren't getting them on your current ride. Also, even if it is $1K, I doubt you'll save money by getting a new car in the long run. Do you have sales tax in your state? In CA, sales tax on a RAV4 would be something like $2K.
 
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I know the sales tax is part of the bargain, but I am actually getting spot on for mpg for an 04 Forester XT. I'm also trying to rebuild my credit so this might be a good way to do it as well.